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You are a criminal. You are a felon. Yep you, personally.

By Dan8267   2012 Aug 2, 2:32pm   18,345 views   69 comments   watch (1)   quote      

John Stossel's Illegal Everything

Today's laws are largely arbitrary, overly complex, and overly intrusive. One cop could buy lemonade from you kid and the next cop could arrest your kid for selling lemonade.

Over-criminalization is one of the greatest problems in our society today. Every year you probably commit dozens of felonies without your knowledge, violating laws that should not even exist in the first place.

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30   swebb   2012 Aug 5, 2:38pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Bap33 says

God will not be mocked.

Seriously, that's what drives this hate? The Jesus that I read about in the bible is loving, accepting, open and understanding. Try it.

31   Bap33   2012 Aug 5, 2:46pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

swebb says

Seriously, that's what drives this hate?

The hate comes from the militant deviant nation .... ask Chick fal A

32   Bap33   2012 Aug 5, 2:48pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

swebb says

Bap33 says



God will not be mocked.


Seriously, that's what drives this hate? The Jesus that I read about in the bible is loving, accepting, open and understanding. Try it.

you are suggesting I have ill feelings toward a special needs person? That's very rude of you. I want to help all special needs people. You should want to protect them from being abused, as I do.

33   Bap33   2012 Aug 5, 2:50pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

p.s., "God will not be mocked" is part of the explaination of the behaviors of sexual deviants. Not part of a sermon.

34   bg   2012 Aug 5, 3:02pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Bap33 says

all of the good people that make up the 98% that know deviant behavior should not be treated as normal, and that gayness is a mental disorder or a birth defect. That's who. Maybe?

No. The 98% distract you with stupid arguments about gay marriage while they rape the future from your children.

35   bg   2012 Aug 5, 3:07pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

BAP is seeming a little trolly here. Is that his usual MO?

36   Dan8267   2012 Aug 5, 3:31pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Bap33 says

The entire movement is based on a birthdefect and/or mental disorder.

What color is the sky in your world?

The marriage equality movement is based on the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Either you believe in equality under law or you don't. And if you don't, you're not a real American.

Bap33 says

Pedifiles and rapists

The fact that you do not differentiate between gay marriage and pedophile/rape completely invalidates your opinion and makes me question whether or not you have a mental illness. Try making that argument in a court of law and see what happens. You'd be locked up for insanity.

Bap33 says

You should want to protect them from being abused, as I do.

Yes, we can all feel the love coming off of you.

37   Dan8267   2012 Aug 5, 3:32pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

By the way, how the hell did this thread end up being about gay marriage. That's a totally different thread!

38   oliverks1   2012 Aug 5, 4:54pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Honest Abe says

To stabalize the insanity, how about this? For every NEW law put on the books, TWO existing laws must be removed!

This is pretty stupid. A law could easily contain 3 or 4 old laws.

39   New Renter   2012 Aug 5, 5:33pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Bap33 says

New renter says

Those are the very dangerous words

hmmmm ... P.C. Police is in da house.

No, just someone who knows a bit of history and understands one thing leads to another.

I also understand a bit of science and know that your argument has no merit there.

40   REpro   2012 Aug 6, 6:46am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

I live in Santa Clara County in CA. Santa Clara and San Mateo has one of the toughest laws in CA.
When somebody calls police with a minor reason, three cars are coming. People get arrested before open mouth and have to prove their innocent in court, not the otherwise. Yep, they are proud to have one of the lowest crimes in country.

41   New Renter   2012 Aug 6, 6:50am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

REpro says

I live in Santa Clara County in CA. Santa Clara and San Mateo has one of the toughest laws in CA.

When somebody calls police with a minor reason, three cars are coming. People get arrested before open mouth and have to prove their innocent in court, not the otherwise. Yep, they are proud to have one of the lowest crimes in country.

So you'd prefer to live in Apocolypsefuck's zombie apocalypse?

What is your point?

Never mind, I just realized you are just trying to get us back to the OT...

42   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2012 Aug 6, 6:56am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Hahahahaha. Oh, fuck.

Cops.

They'll be delicious!

43   New Renter   2012 Aug 6, 6:57am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Hahahahaha. Oh, fuck.

Cops.

They'll be delicious!

Like bacon!

44   FortWayne   2012 Aug 6, 7:40am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

We like to tell ourselves that we live in the land of the free just to make ourselves feel better.

45   REpro   2012 Aug 6, 8:25am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

New renter says

I live in Santa Clara County in CA. Santa Clara and San Mateo has one of the toughest laws in CA.
When somebody calls police with a minor reason, three cars are coming. People get arrested before open mouth and have to prove their innocent in court, not the otherwise. Yep, they are proud to have one of the lowest crimes in country.

So you'd prefer to live in Apocolypsefuck's zombie apocalypse?
What is your point?
Never mind, I just realized you are just trying to get us back to the OT...

So everything is just fine in your opinion. Maybe someday you or your close friend be arrested and your view be changed.

46   New Renter   2012 Aug 6, 8:40am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

REpro says

New renter says

I live in Santa Clara County in CA. Santa Clara and San Mateo has one of the toughest laws in CA.

When somebody calls police with a minor reason, three cars are coming. People get arrested before open mouth and have to prove their innocent in court, not the otherwise. Yep, they are proud to have one of the lowest crimes in country.

So you'd prefer to live in Apocolypsefuck's zombie apocalypse?

What is your point?

Never mind, I just realized you are just trying to get us back to the OT...

So everything is just fine in your opinion. Maybe someday you or your close friend be arrested and your view be changed.

That's always a possibility; however, I haven't had any problems with the SJ police myself. Indeed I have found them courteous on the few times I have had to interact with them.

YMMV

47   Bap33   2012 Aug 6, 8:43am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Philistine says

Not sure what defines masculine and feminine roles

yet, you still made a comment? interesting thought process you have there.

48   REpro   2012 Aug 6, 8:46am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

There are Good Cops and Bad Cops, as always. But law, rarely is on your side.

49   leo707   2012 Aug 6, 9:03am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

swebb says

Bap33 says

God will not be mocked.

Seriously, that's what drives this hate? The Jesus that I read about in the bible is loving, accepting, open and understanding. Try it.

? how do you figure?

Among other things the bible I read says:
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:34-35 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword; For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Jesus on all those sadistic Old Testament “laws” (you know the ones on how to treat your slaves and when it is OK to kill your children):
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

And, speaking of killing kids in Matthew 15 Jesus admonishes some guys because they are not killing their kids as god commands that they should.

Unfortunately for the rest of the planet opinions such as Bap's can easily be justified using the bible.

50   Bap33   2012 Aug 6, 9:07am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

killing my leo ... kil ling me. pow, zoom, right to the moon!

51   Dan8267   2012 Aug 6, 9:22am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

New renter says

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Hahahahaha. Oh, fuck.

Cops.

They'll be delicious!

Like bacon!

I thought they'd taste like doughnuts and would be just as high in fat and cholesterol.

52   Dan8267   2012 Aug 6, 9:23am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

New renter says

So you'd prefer to live in Apocolypsefuck's zombie apocalypse?

I would love to spend a day in it. Just for fun. It would be the ultimate FPS / zombie survival game.

53   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2012 Aug 6, 10:29am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

New renter says

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Hahahahaha. Oh, fuck.

Cops.

They'll be delicious!

Like bacon!

I thought they'd taste like doughnuts and would be just as high in fat and cholesterol.

You have to cook them with a flame thower first.

54   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2012 Aug 6, 10:30am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

New renter says

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Hahahahaha. Oh, fuck.

Cops.

They'll be delicious!

Like bacon!

And everyone loves BACON!

55   mell   2012 Aug 6, 1:11pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

bg says

Bap33 says

all of the good people that make up the 98% that know deviant behavior should not be treated as normal, and that gayness is a mental disorder or a birth defect. That's who. Maybe?

No. The 98% distract you with stupid arguments about gay marriage while they rape the future from your children.

Harhar - epic rebuttal!! Well said!

56   Randy H   2012 Aug 6, 2:58pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

bap33, reach for your inner secular humanist...

57   skipper   2012 Aug 7, 12:42am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Follow the money. The gay movement in this country is all about money and politics. Lawmakers will prostitute themselves to the highest bidder. That is why the 'movement' has legs. It's the money. What does legitimizing homosexuals really mean. For one it is legitimizing statutory rape. Gays don't want freedom to practice their perversion they want immunity! So now tell me all about their civil rights. Do they have a civil right to 'marry' an illegal for the purpose of exchanging sodomy for citizenship!
Don't ask don't tell will become tell me for a promotion in business and the military.Dan has cleverly evaded any point that I have made by stating the subject then creating another talking point. Dan do think that marrying an illegal for sodomy in exchange for citizenship is valid? Answer that. Homosexuals desire young naive boys for their pleasure. That is statutory rape . Do you have an argument with that? Pedophilia (with boys) is labeled as a disease instead of labeling it for what it is:a homosexual crime. Would you like your children, if you have any, to be solicited by homosexuals? That is what you are apparently endorsing. Sharia law? That's a laugh! Homosexuals will be the first to go. No, I don't think homosexuals they should be persecuted but neither do I think I should be forced to accept their dogma. MY civil right

58   FortWayne   2012 Aug 7, 1:09am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Gay "rights" are a distraction. Distraction from real issues and problems this country has.

59   Quigley   2012 Aug 7, 1:14am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

So I read the article that Catalogued the horrors of Nazi Germany against gays. I wasn't impressed. When a writer has to go back sixty five years to find a good example of homos getting this type of treatment, I'm just "meh" about it. Here's an idea: how about that writer goes to Afghanistan or Iran or even "pacified" Iraq with his sob story of trampled gay rights? Those nations have a rather strict policy of killing homosexuals as a matter of law. That's current! It's happening, now!
What truly makes me chuckle is when the same group of libs who march and kiss for gay rights, cry about Guantanamo, which contains people who would cheerfully murder every gay on the planet!
True liberalism is dead, or just extremely rare. Nowadays they label it libertarianism. Liberals today are characterized less by their thoughtfulness than by their lack of any coherent thought whatsoever.

60   Dan8267   2012 Aug 7, 2:08am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

skipper says

What does legitimizing homosexuals really mean. For one it is legitimizing statutory rape.

That's complete and utter bullshit. Just because you have unfounded prejudices against homosexuality does not make it immoral, unethical, or illegal. Two men can consent to have a sexual relationship just as much as a man and a woman can. To assert otherwise is nothing more than small minded bigotry.

skipper says

The gay movement in this country is all about money and politics. Lawmakers will prostitute themselves to the highest bidder.

All legislation, by definition, is political. Writing laws and defining writes is exactly what politics is.

As for money, you are way off base. The marriage equality movement is about rights. The lack of gay marriage violates the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

Furthermore, as your comments clearly indicate, the status quo also violates the First Amendment as the opposition to gay marriage is purely religious bullshit. It is un-Constitutional for the state to endorse a religion or religious beliefs or to force those beliefs or conformity to those beliefs on the people.

And if you don't like that, perhaps we should subject you to Sharia Law.

FortWayne says

Gay "rights" are a distraction. Distraction from real issues and problems this country has.

Human and civil rights are never a distraction. They are extremely important issues, if not the most important issues a country can ever face.

I would suggest that the gay marriage question is a no-brainer as the opposition has no legal or ethical ground to stand on. Then again, interracial marriages, segregation, and slavery were no-brainers as well, but it took our backwards country 100 to 150 years to solve those problems.

And yes, America is a backwards nation. We are backwards precisely because there is so much opposition to marriage equality and because that opposition has actually slowed the adoption of marriage equality. For us to allow a stupid, small, vocal minority to trample the rights of others is backwards indeed.

I'd like America to stop being a backwards nation and start being a leader of the free world, which is has yet to be.

61   Dan8267   2012 Aug 7, 2:15am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley says

When a writer has to go back sixty five years to find a good example of homos getting this type of treatment, I'm just "meh" about it.

Yeah, everything that happens before you are born is irrelevant. The Holocaust happened like almost a lifetime ago. Can't we forget about it already?

But if you want to find more recent examples of atrocities committed against homosexuals, just take a look at the Middle East today. And realize that's what the anti-gay movement wants to turn America into.

Speaking of America and atrocities against homosexual men, remember this?


They killed me for being gay.

http://www.matthewshepard.org/

The horrific events that took place shortly after midnight on October 7, 1998 would become one of the most notorious anti-gay hate crimes in American history and spawned an activist movement that, more than a decade later, would result in passage of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, a federal law against bias crimes directed at lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered people. Two men, Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, abducted Matt and drove him to a remote area east of Laramie, Wyoming. He was tied to a split-rail fence where the two men severely assaulted him with the butt of a pistol. He was beaten and left to die in the cold of the night. Almost 18 hours later, he was found by a bicyclist who initially mistook him for a scarecrow. Matt died on October 12 at 12:53 a.m. at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado with his family by his side.

Anti-gay bigots are fucking assholes and deserve to burn in hell, if only there were such a thing.

62   Quigley   2012 Aug 7, 2:33am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan6287: need to increase your reading comprehension dude. I already mentioned the middle east in like the next sentence. What I was pointing out was that this was lazy lazy reporting, picking on the biggest bugbear of them all to make a point about society's treatment of homos. The nazis weren't nice to gypsies or Polish either. They were an abortion of a festering gangrenous flesh-eating infection on the Earth. Big effing deal! Lazy! Go write something relevant instead of just regurgitating the tripe that passes for university education.

63   New Renter   2012 Aug 7, 2:59am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley says

So I read the article that Catalogued the horrors of Nazi Germany against gays. I wasn't impressed. When a writer has to go back sixty five years to find a good example of homos getting this type of treatment, I'm just "meh" about it. Here's an idea: how about that writer goes to Afghanistan or Iran or even "pacified" Iraq with his sob story of trampled gay rights? Those nations have a rather strict policy of killing homosexuals as a matter of law. That's current! It's happening, now!

What truly makes me chuckle is when the same group of libs who march and kiss for gay rights, cry about Guantanamo, which contains people who would cheerfully murder every gay on the planet!

True liberalism is dead, or just extremely rare. Nowadays they label it libertarianism. Liberals today are characterized less by their thoughtfulness than by their lack of any coherent thought whatsoever.

These were just the first few that came up in my search. Iif you feel so passionate about posting current events affecting the worldwide gay community feel free to post them here.

As for the perceived hypocrisy of liberals decrying human rights abuses in Afghanistan and Iraq yet at the same time decrying the detention of Afghans and Iraqis a Guantanamo - you claim that Guantanamo "contains people who would cheerfully murder every gay on the planet!"

Most prisons even here in the USA contain some people who would cheerfully murder every gay on the planet! Hell, most communities in the USA contain people who would cheerfully murder every gay on the planet if it were possible.

The issue with Guantanamo is that many - not all - of the detainees are there for reasons unknown, for an indeterminate amount of time with no charges leveled, no council, nothing. They may be very bad people OR they may just have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Without some kind of due process its hard to tell. While in prison these people may be subject to abuse, and are certainly not going to feel any goodwill to the US if they do eventually get out. And what of their families? If taxi driver dad is caught in a sweep and sent away to Gitmo his teenage sons might think to join the group fighting his captors.

THAT is the problem people have with Gitmo. Prove that everyone locked up there deserves to be so, is being treated appropriately (is not being tortured, or otherwise abused) and will be processed accordingly. Do those things and the critics will fall silent.

64   New Renter   2012 Aug 7, 4:33am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

Anti-gay bigots are fucking assholes

Ah the irony...

65   Dan8267   2012 Aug 7, 4:35am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley says

The nazis weren't nice to gypsies or Polish either. They were an abortion of a festering gangrenous flesh-eating infection on the Earth. Big effing deal! Lazy! Go write something relevant instead of just regurgitating the tripe that passes for university education.

There's a difference between arguing a point to further a discussion and arguing for the sake of being belligerent. You have yet to grasp this difference. When you do, we can continue this discussion as adults. Until then, please stop polluting this forum with your nonsense.

66   Quigley   2012 Aug 7, 7:12am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ah that's right, I didn't realize that you were moderator! Sorry for polluting your high-brow discussion (Dan8267 writes: "Anti-gay bigots are fucking assholes!") with contrary opinions! I shall cease all such activities directly.
Good day, Sir!

67   Dan8267   2012 Aug 8, 3:18am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

As a moderator, the only thing I don't stand for is trolling. You are free to post any opinion you like. You are also free to post any facts, correct or not, that you like. However, as a commentator, I reserve the right to point out the incorrectness of any wrong facts. Of course, opinions, by definition, cannot be right or wrong.

Due note, however, that there is a difference between expressing an opinion strongly and simply bullshitting. As a moderator, I don't delete anyone's bullshit, but as a poster I will call them on it.

If I were nearly as draconian of a moderator as you think, I would have deleted your postings. I have not deleted yours or anyone else's, ever. Only deliberate trolling or threats against someone would warrant a deletion by my standards. And even trolling required repeated abuse and obviously malevolent intentions for me to take action. And if I ever do delete a post, I will state exactly why it was deleted.

68   TwoScoopsMcGee   2012 Aug 12, 4:26pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Here's another one: Teenage Pennsylvania kids arrested for drawing chalk pictures on the road.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/08/10/doylestown-teens-ticketed-for-chalk-drawings-in-parking-lot/

Not spraypainting somebody's house, not for tagging a bridge or the side of a truck, for drawing chalk figures on the asphalt.

Maybe we need to let go some cops, obviously there is little crime in Doylestown.

69   Dan8267   2012 Aug 12, 11:36pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

thunderlips11 says

Here's another one: Teenage Pennsylvania kids arrested for drawing chalk pictures on the road

They should sue for violations of the First Amendment. You can't make a case for vandalism if it's chalk. Chalk washes away with rain.

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