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The north pole is going down hard

By iwog   2012 Sep 15, 1:15am   4 links   12,250 views   61 comments   watch (0)   quote      

We're past the normal ice cap minimum date, yet the north polar ice cap continues to melt. What's happening now is unbelievable and smashes all the global warming models to pieces. There might be an ice free arctic in a couple of years. The media is going to go ape shit over this story pretty soon, but again you heard it here first. Also remember if you're a Republican, this is just more fake science by liberals. They are probably hiding the ice in their refrigerators or something.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

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22   errc   714/723 = 98% civil   2012 Dec 4, 9:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Its too bad we don't have a larger data set,,,,thirty years of data for weather on a planet five billion years young, could just be noise, confusing those that rely on it.

23   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 4, 10:01am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

Its too bad we don't have a larger data set,,,,thirty years of data for weather on a planet five billion years young, could just be noise, confusing those that rely on it.

The 30 year trend is pretty damn consistent. If you want to look at random noise, the South Pole is a good example. Last year (red) was lower than average and this year (yellow) was higher than average but there is no discernible trend like in the North.

24   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 4, 10:06am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Regardless, it is misguided to design policies around some models. The real crisis is overpopulation. But they won't do anything about it.

25   errc   714/723 = 98% civil   2012 Dec 4, 10:15am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Peter P says

Regardless, it is misguided to design policies around some models. The real crisis is overpopulation. But they won't do anything about it.

What do you think "they" should "do about it"?

What metrics do you use to determine what a suitable amount of people on this planet should be?

26   errc   714/723 = 98% civil   2012 Dec 4, 10:17am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Iwog, I think I asked this before, but don't remember if I got any answers. How does the magnetic polar shift play into this? Isn't the magnetic north pole been shifting about?

27   ttsmyf     2012 Dec 4, 10:20am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

YOU environmentalists are short on balls. Clean the system! Show this track record
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038
Dominant is the coming and going of irrationality!
I say that you do NOT deserve rationality re. climate change, when you are short on balls, as above.

28   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 4, 10:20am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

What do you think "they" should "do about it"?

What metrics do you use to determine what a suitable amount of people on this planet should be?

I have proposed global cap-and-trade childbirth permits.

It works like carbon credits.

Each person is allowed to have an amount of offsprings, say 0.3.

A couple will have 0.6 credits. To have a child, they have to buy 0.4 credits from the global open market. If they do not have to have a child, they can sell their credits.

Through normal attrition, human population can stabilize to a sustainable level.

I do not have the research to suggest an optimal level. But they can tweak the credit creation amount.

29   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   2012 Dec 4, 11:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

Iwog, I think I asked this before, but don't remember if I got any answers. How does the magnetic polar shift play into this? Isn't the magnetic north pole been shifting about?

Yes it is showing signs of becoming unstable. I don't think it will have any effect. Radiation levels might increase a little but compared to sunlight and the greenhouse effect I can't imagine they would contribute that much. Don't pole flips take thousands of years?

30   errc   714/723 = 98% civil   2012 Dec 4, 11:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

For some reason, a magnetic polar reversal doesn't sound like something that occurs very gently, rather id imagine it to be quite violent

The type of event that will flip our entire world upside down

31   Peter P   78/78 = 100% civil   2012 Dec 4, 12:49pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

For some reason, a magnetic polar reversal doesn't sound like something that occurs very gently, rather id imagine it to be quite violent

The type of event that will flip our entire world upside down

Like the movie 2012. Best comedy of 2009.

32   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Mar 24, 10:53am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Hater says

How Many is a "couple of years". What percentage do you give the certainty to this event?

It's nice to know you're examining all my old threads. You're obviously attempting to catch me in a contradiction or a bad prediction (LOLZ) but I guess you failed so you're going to try and put me on record for what you perceive as future failures. Wow, going back to 2012. You must be REALLY desperate.

I'm really flattered you're paying me this much attention.

To answer your question, the North Pole will be ice free during the summer between 2020 and 2024 and it will be permanently ice free around 2050.

33   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Mar 24, 10:57am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Anyway back to business. I posted this thread on September 2012 which is the blue line on this graph.

The red line is 2017.

Any questions?

34   Blurtman   561/561 = 100% civil   Mar 24, 10:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Play the trend in the RE market.

35   Dan8267   3631/3679 = 98% civil   Mar 24, 11:10am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

The north pole is going down hard

Worst Christmas porno ever! Even worse than Rudolf the Red Tail Reindeer.

36   Dan8267   3631/3679 = 98% civil   Mar 24, 11:11am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Sorry, I already made that joke because I forgot about this thread and thought it was new.

37   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1342/1342 = 100% civil   Mar 24, 11:11am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

They are probably hiding the ice in their refrigerators or something.

Hehehehe

38   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Mar 24, 11:12am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Sorry, I already made that joke because I forgot about this thread and thought it was new.

Hater bumped it because he was reading all my old threads, no doubt educating himself on the subject of global warming.

39   Tim Aurora   292/292 = 100% civil   Mar 24, 11:45am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

To answer your question, the North Pole will be ice free during the summer between 2020 and 2024 and it will be permanently ice free around 2050.

I like the cosmic justice that the ones who did not care about it much ( Southerens ) will be the ones most affected.

40   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Mar 24, 12:19pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Hater says

The sky is falling. THE SKY IS FALLING! Just noticing a trend.

The trend would be what exactly? Ever increasing signs that global warming is turning parabolic and will kill us all?

Yes I have been extremely consistent and the trend confirms everything I posted back in 2012.

Was that your point?

41   Tenpoundbass   1414/1416 = 99% civil   Mar 24, 12:24pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Now if that's a real picture taken from space of the artic sea ice, then why did the world's highest paid Photoshop editor, the guys that work for NASA have to put color filters on it?
Doom and Gloom can stand on its own. Global Alarmers never present facts or pictures and let them stand on their own. Do you know why? Of course you know why! Becuase it hold's no argument!

42   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Mar 24, 12:27pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Hater says

You screaming about a disaster that may not happen that you can't do anything about.

Screaming? You're confused. I find it fascinating. I find it exhilarating. This kind of stuff is the reason people go to disaster movies.

The fact I can't do anything about it also eliminates the dread.

43   Bellingham Bill   119/119 = 100% civil   Apr 1, 5:30pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

The fact I can't do anything about it also eliminates the dread.

S'il n'y a pas de solution c'est qu'il n'y a pas de problème.

44   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   Jun 22, 5:42pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Solving the Mystery of the Arctic's Clouds. Spitzbergen is a rugged Arctic island kingdom of rock and ice located 1,300 kilometers from the North Pole. Longyearbyen, the northernmost town on the planet, is just beyond the 78th parallel, a permanent home to about 2,150 souls. They have almost everything they need: an airport, streets, a coal-fired power plant, a hospital, a kindergarten, a university, high-speed internet and even a brewery.

Only one thing is missing: a cemetery. The permafrost makes the ground too hard to dig graves.

But that's changing. The annual average air temperature in Longyearbyen is now minus 0.4 degrees Celsius (32.7 degrees Fahrenheit). It won't be long before it is warm enough to dig holes in the ground - and for the stilts supporting the houses to sink into the mud.

Global warming may seem abstract in other places far, far away from here. But Spitzbergen is ground zero for climate change. It is advancing here faster than elsewhere, offering an early taste of what global warming might mean. "Since November 2010, every single month has been unusually warm," says Kim Holmén, director of the Norwegian Polar Institute. "We see changes everywhere we look."

The fjord at Longyearbyen no longer freezes completely, for example, and salmon and even mackerel have moved in. Narwhals, meanwhile, have migrated further north.

The glaciers are melting with unexpected speed, especially in the west of Spitzbergen. Whereas some of them calved into the ocean for centuries, they now come to a stop before they reach the sea. And every year, the thaw is longer. "On average, the winters are 10 degrees Celsius warmer than they were 20 years ago," says Holmén. This region should be dry like a desert, but the amount of regular precipitation has now increased several-fold. Suddenly Longyearbyean's steep slopes have become a mortal danger because the increased snowfall can't stick to their icy surfaces.

"There are mechanisms at work here that we don't understand," says Holmén. "We have to be humbled by that."

The researchers are especially interested in clouds, because they suspect that they play a larger role in climate events than previously suspected. Several terabytes of data will be collected by the end of June. Analyzing it will take years, but the scientists are planning to return to the Arctic in 2018 and 2019 to take even more measurements.

More: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/research-on-global-warming-looks-at-clouds-in-arctic-a-1151777.html

45   FortWayne   867/873 = 99% civil   Jun 22, 8:18pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

So we'll finally be able to visit good old Nick.

46   HEY YOU   1055/1055 = 100% civil   Jun 22, 10:33pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I've been following Guy McPherson for years.
Sorry that this is more than 140 characters.
You'll be connected to more links than can be comprehended at one time?

"Updated most recently, likely for the final time, 2 August 2016."
It's gotten more worser,faster since then?

Scroll down to "Self-Reinforcing Feedback Loops",69 at that time.
"As nearly as I can distinguish, only the latter three feedback processes are reversible at a temporal scale relevant to our species. Once you pull the tab on the can of beer, there’s no keeping the carbon dioxide from bubbling up and out. These feedbacks are not additive, they are multiplicative: They not only reinforce within a feedback, the feedbacks also reinforce among themselves (as realized even by Business Insider on 3 October 2013)."

https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/

47   landtof   62/63 = 98% civil   Jun 22, 10:52pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

the fact that HEY YOU is balls deep in man-made climate change is reason enough to believe it to be total fucking bullshit.

48   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 22, 11:42pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

landtof says

the fact that HEY YOU is balls deep in man-made climate change is reason enough to believe it to be total fucking bullshit.

49   landtof   62/63 = 98% civil   Jun 23, 12:26am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

that's cherry picking good, iwog.

oh, the climate changes over time? no shit, i had no idea. what happened millions of years ago? was it too hot? too cold? too wet? too dry?

POLITICAL HOAX.

50   Bellingham Bill   119/119 = 100% civil   Jun 23, 6:31am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

51   Dan8267   3631/3679 = 98% civil   Jun 23, 7:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

landtof says

oh, the climate changes over time? no shit, i had no idea. what happened millions of years ago? was it too hot? too cold? too wet? too dry?

POLITICAL HOAX.

Claiming that climate change is a political hoax is as stupid as claiming that Islamic terrorism is a political hoax or that gender is a political hoax.

52   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jun 23, 7:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Peter P says

errc says

What do you think "they" should "do about it"?

What metrics do you use to determine what a suitable amount of people on this planet should be?

I have proposed global cap-and-trade childbirth permits.

It works like carbon credits.

Each person is allowed to have an amount of offsprings, say 0.3.

A couple will have 0.6 credits. To have a child, they have to buy 0.4 credits from the global open market.

Or they could just fuck.

53   Ceffer   865/865 = 100% civil   Jun 23, 10:46am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Give Santa some scuba gear. Fat Fuck needs to lose weight, anyway.

54   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 23, 10:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

landtof says

that's cherry picking good, iwog.

oh, the climate changes over time? no shit, i had no idea. what happened millions of years ago? was it too hot? too cold? too wet? too dry?

POLITICAL HOAX.

Cherry picking?

Nothing to respond to here. He's not even speaking English.

55   BlueSardine   833/850 = 98% civil   Jun 24, 4:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

No matter what anyone does, at some point the human race will become extinct.
Now accept this and move on...

56   komputodo   220/221 = 99% civil   Jun 24, 8:23am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

For some reason, a magnetic polar reversal doesn't sound like something that occurs very gently, rather id imagine it to be quite violent

The type of event that will flip our entire world upside down

Does that mean the water will drain out of the sink in the opposite direction?

57   komputodo   220/221 = 99% civil   Jun 24, 8:25am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

For some reason, a magnetic polar reversal doesn't sound like something that occurs very gently, rather id imagine it to be quite violent

The type of event that will flip our entire world upside down

Does that mean the water will drain out of the sink in the opposite direction? That could be disorienting and a bit unsettling.

58   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 24, 8:35am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BlueSardine says

No matter what anyone does, at some point the human race will become extinct.

Now accept this and move on...

Yup fuck that cliff! Best to just drive over it Thelma and Louise style.

59   Ceffer   865/865 = 100% civil   Jun 24, 9:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The North Pole is becoming the big, wet hole Mother Nature is going to fuck us with.

60   FortWayne   867/873 = 99% civil   Jun 24, 10:30am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Maybe North Pole will finally be nice and green. Or maybe nothing will happen and this is just cyclical nature pattern that existed for thousands of years. Lets face it, every time liberals want to sell electric powered something they quickly scream global warming, we'll all be dead in 10 years, etc... and they've been wrong ever since the 60's about this. Why is this time any different.

Sorry Iwog, your claim has unfavorable precedent to your argument.

61   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 24, 4:16pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

Maybe North Pole will finally be nice and green.

Grass growing in the ocean perhaps?

FortWayne says

Or maybe nothing will happen and this is just cyclical nature pattern that existed for thousands of years.

Because reasons.

FortWayne says

Sorry Iwog, your claim has unfavorable precedent to your argument.

I suggest reformatting this in English then perhaps I will know what you are saying here.

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