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CA Cops murder 13-year-old boy, shooting him after he hit the ground

By Dan8267   2013 Dec 31, 11:34am   9,825 views   52 comments   watch (1)   quote      

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474903/Boy-13-carrying-toy-gun-shot-dead-cops-AFTER-hit-ground.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/1025/California-community-mourns-13-year-old-killed-for-holding-AK-47-look-alike

Which sounds more plausible?

1. A 13-year-old boy surrounded by cops with drawn weapons telling him to drop his (toy) gun, decides instead to point the toy weapon at the cops who already have their guns drawn and pointed at him.

2. The cops shoot the kid on sight without giving any warning or allowing him any time to react including by dropping his toy gun. To cover their asses, the cops lie about telling the kid to drop the toy gun, lie giving him time to comply with the order, and lie about the boy pointing the gun at them.

Of course, for some reason, there is never any video evidence to collaborate the cops' stories. If you can put a laser scope on a gun, you can put a camera on it.

Oh, and the eye witness said the kid froze, which is a far more believable reaction. And a frozen kid isn't pointing the gun at the cops. Exactly how many milliseconds was he given to drop the gun?

Another case of at least second degree murder that won't even be prosecuted because the court system is corrupt.

Shouldn't the pro-gun rights crowd be literally up in arms over this? I mean, if you can't even carry a toy gun, what makes you think the cops won't shoot you on sight for carrying a real rifle?

Even if the gun had been real, the cops are still murderers. Possessing an AK-47 is legal in California. If the cops can't shoot a kid on sight for holding his dad's hunting rifle, why should they get a free pass to shoot a kid holding any legal gun, but not firing or threatening anyone with it? If anything, a kid with a gun is far less dangerous than an adult with a gun. Even the most malevolent 13-year-old can't do nearly as much damage as a 19-year-old with basic army training.

So again, why aren't all the gun rights people up in arms against this and demanding the police be wanted dead or alive. You think Obama is coming for your guns? You think liberals are coming for you guns? No, the police are coming for your guns.

I don't want to hear another peep about anti-gun laws until the police can't shoot people even when they are dead on the ground for merely possessing a gun, irrelevant that it's a toy, fake gun. Laws don't matter if the cops just kill you on sight.

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13   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 2:35am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

But, But, But.... he was 13 years old, how dare they kill an innocent child for no reason....

And you believe them when they say the 13-year-old pointed the toy gun at them? Like cops would never lie to cover their asses.

14   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 2:38am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Is open carry of a AK-47 legal on the streets of CA??

If the Second Amendment is still in effect, then yes, regardless of the state laws. The question is whether or not the Second Amendment really is the law anymore.

Open carry is the very definition of bearing arms. A militia doesn't conceal carry.

15   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 2:38am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

HEY YOU says

I can see cops killing someone in the future & a family member or friend going on a killing rampage

That's a movie I'd pay to see.

Why pay to see it? It's on the news everyday for free.

16   lakermania   2014 Jan 2, 3:56am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The article's authors are a very ignorant of the circumstances surrounding the "weapon". They say that toy guns require an orange tip and Lopez's gun didn't have one, but then go on to say it's a pellet gun. So which was it a pellet gun or a toy gun? I'm guessing it was a pellet rifle since pellet rifles can be dangerous(but rarely deadly) and DO NOT require an orange tip.

BTW what's with that video from Robert is a police training video isn't it? Doesn't look like reality.

17   TwoScoopsMcGee   2014 Jan 2, 4:02am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Maybe we should disarm the cops.

Let them only carry tazers, spray, flashlights and nightsticks. Have to leave the shotgun in the car.

Why not? Almost every other fucking industrialized country doesn't arm patrolmen on a routine basis.

18   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 4:57am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Did you read the list of items from the article I posted?

I am well aware of all the facts presented in the article including that the gun did not have an orange tip. As I've stated, even if the gun had been real, the murder would not have been justified.

Call it Crazy says

Do you think in the few seconds the cops had, they knew it was a 13 year old boy who played trumpet in the band, or a suspicious person carrying some type of weapon on the street in a hoodie??

1. Don't act as judge, jury, and executioner and murder a person for wearing a hoodie. A hoodie is not a weapon of mass destruction. I'm sick and tired of people using the term "hoodie" as code for "some minority we're going to presume is a criminal because all of his kind are criminals".

2. Take more than a few seconds. There is no way the boy pointed the gun at the officers who already had their weapons drawn. There is no motive that could possibly apply.

3. The witness testimony contradicts the story of the police. He stated the boy froze. If you were surrounded by people pointing guns at you, are you telling me you wouldn't freeze. That's human instinct. It cannot be overridden. How many seconds did that boy have to drop the gun.

4. As the video posted by Robert Sproul shows, it often doesn't even matter. The police will murder someone anyway and then say he was pointing a gun at them.

5. Without accountability for "mistakes" like this, the police have no incentive not to make such "mistakes" in the future.

19   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 5:00am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

Tell you what, go take your AR-15 wave it around and go take a stroll down a street in your favorite CA town..... Report back on how nice you're treated by the local P.D.

If you haven't paid attention in the last year, the second amendment doesn't "count" anymore in many states....

I'm calling it as I see it. It is a contradiction to state that people have the right to bear arms, but the police can shoot them dead on sight if they actually do.

As to whether the Second Amendment should be repealed, or the police executed for murder, that we can debate. Technically, these two options are not mutually exclusive, but to not do at least one is pure hypocrisy.

20   Moderate Infidel   2014 Jan 2, 5:40am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Do they make toy pipe bombs I can bring to school to play with?
How about some toy anthrax vials to play with at the post office?
Non gang related hoodies should have orange tips.

21   TwoScoopsMcGee   2014 Jan 2, 6:45am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

5. Without accountability for "mistakes" like this, the police have no incentive not to make such "mistakes" in the future.

I closed the tab a while back, but Sonoma County was advised by a legal team have a Civilian Review Board more than a decade ago. Naturally, the police fought it tooth and nail.

22   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 7:28am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

thunderlips11 says

Dan8267 says

5. Without accountability for "mistakes" like this, the police have no incentive not to make such "mistakes" in the future.

I closed the tab a while back, but Sonoma County was advised by a legal team have a Civilian Review Board more than a decade ago. Naturally, the police fought it tooth and nail.

Of course. The last thing corrupt cops want is transparency and accountability. This is exactly why I say the vast majority of cops are corrupt. If they were not, something like a civilian review board would be welcomed with open arms because the good cops would want to keep the "bad guys" from becoming cops, endangering the public and other cops, and ruining the reputation of the police.

23   Meccos   2014 Jan 2, 7:31am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

The only good argument for a well-armed society is fighting the police and the military if they get out of control. Well, the police have been out of control for 50 years. If the pro-gun crowd isn't fighting them now, they never will.

You are right, this is the best argument for having gun rights... the flaw in your argument is the assumption that the fight has to be now or never.

24   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2014 Jan 2, 9:14am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Cops should not have to explain themselves since any given church could be filled with islamofascists and the only guarantee of Officer Safety is shredding the congregation with 7-10 1000 round belts of ammo fed through an M134.

25   HydroCabron   2014 Jan 2, 9:32am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Mole on Labia!

26   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 11:20pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Meccos says

Dan8267 says

The only good argument for a well-armed society is fighting the police and the military if they get out of control. Well, the police have been out of control for 50 years. If the pro-gun crowd isn't fighting them now, they never will.

You are right, this is the best argument for having gun rights... the flaw in your argument is the assumption that the fight has to be now or never.

If not now, what chance does it succeed when police will have hunter-killer drones and tanks? We're already just a hare's breath away from that with the militarization of our police force.

27   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 11:21pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

4. As the video posted by Robert Sproul shows, it often doesn't even matter. The police will murder someone anyway and then say he was pointing a gun at them.

Forgot to mention, the police continue shooting the boy after he hit the ground dead. How much of a threat is a dead boy?

28   foxmannumber1   2014 Jan 2, 11:35pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

You only shoot with the intent to kill.

Once you shoot, you don't stop shooting until the threat has stopped moving completely. Yes, someone can still move after being shot multiple times.

Unfortunate death. The boys actions, which were allowed by his legal guardians, caused his death.

29   BlueSardine   2014 Jan 2, 11:42pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Are you hooked on phonics?

foxmannumber1 says

Unfortunate death.

30   Dan8267   2014 Jan 2, 11:45pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

foxmannumber1 says

You only shoot with the intent to kill.

That is why it is murder.

A person shooting in defense shoots with the intent to disable, not kill. Once the threat -- and in this case there was none -- is over, you don't continue shooting unless you have no respect for life.

foxmannumber1 says

The boys actions, which were allowed by his legal guardians, caused his death.

Merely carrying a gun, even a real one, should not cause a person to be shot dozens of times by cops. Unless you are saying that only cops should be allowed to carry guns.

31   foxmannumber1   2014 Jan 2, 11:56pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

A person shooting in defense shoots with the intent to disable, not kill.

Comical. The real world does not work this way.

32   Vicente   2014 Jan 3, 7:10am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

All that matters to me, is only one officer fired.

The one who writes for SWAT magazines things about how you need to be ready to shoot first and not give the perp a chance to cap your ass.

He was itching for his chance to finally kill a "bad guy" and he got an opportunity where he could get away with it.

33   Dan8267   2014 Jan 4, 2:26am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

foxmannumber1 says

Dan8267 says

A person shooting in defense shoots with the intent to disable, not kill.

Comical. The real world does not work this way.

It's not comical when a cop continues to shoot a child who is already on the ground bleeding to death. There's nothing funny about that.

34   Dan8267   2014 Jan 4, 2:34am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Call it Crazy says

The article said he turned and pointed the gun towards the cops....(besides not dropping it when told)

Spin the story much???

Correction. The article says the cops stated that the boy turned and pointed the gun at them. The article also says that the non-cop witness said the boy froze and they shot him; he never pointed the gun at the police. Which is more realistic, a boy freezing when cops point guns at him or that boy trying to take down all the cops with what he knows is a toy gun? Cops have been caught lying about events many times to save their own asses.

Straight from the news video.

The kid froze. He was... He froze.

35   Mikhail01   2014 Jan 4, 3:07am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Columbine TrenchCoat Mafia.......Jewish.
Jared Lee Loughner..........Jewish.
Adam Lanza............Jewish

Ted Kaczynski............Jewish.
Jonathon Pollard...........Jewish.
Bernie Madoff...........Jewish.

"Failed" banks on Wall Street (owners of America's political prostitutes in D.C.....90% of BOTH parties, bankrupted our American economy with their real estate bubble-bust con job, shipped American jobs to China for corporate/tribal profits,
sold worthless derivatives to American pension funds KNOWING THEY WERE WORTHLESS ALL ALONG,
fostering and forcing a rogue American military....thru ownership of those D.C. political prostitutes and their "defense industry" and our perpetual war for corporate/tribal profit machine that continually fight their half brothers, adopted half brothers for those greedy Khazars fake Jews and donate our tax dollars to Israel to pay for their religious blood sacrifice.....on the American taxpayers............
.........................................................Jewish.

There seems to be a pattern.....even without mentioning Feinstein, Shumer, Lieberman, Cantor, King, Geithner, Lew, Bernanke,......all the way back to Kissinger and Bremer (Kissinger's right hand man that guaranteed another ten years of Iraqi war by not allowing Baathists into the new government, regardless of soldier or water meter reader).........and also guaranteeing another ten years of Wall Street "defense industry" profits, being tribal in nature, yet not being natural at all.

A thought: search "Neanderthal Jew".

36   HEY YOU   2014 Jan 4, 7:49am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Cops should not have to explain themselves since any given church could be filled with islamofascists and the only guarantee of Officer Safety is shredding the congregation with 7-10 1000 round belts of ammo fed through an M134.

It's absolutely necessary that Law Enforcement take preemptive action,anytime,anywhere, to protect Merica.

37   Dan8267   2014 Jan 4, 9:09am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mikhail01 says

A thought: search "Neanderthal Jew".

New Rule: Whenever a thread comes down to someone saying anything like "Neanderthal Jew", the thread must die because at that point all intelligent conversation has ceased.

38   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2014 Jan 4, 10:03am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

"She said her brother was Andy's friend. 'They should know if a gun is real.'"

oh really, how exactly would the cops be able to tell? are these people retarded?

had the dumb parents spent more time raising their kids and less time breeding for welfare maybe their kids would have lived a better life than of ending up in prison or getting shot by police for stupidly waving an assault rifle replica on their face.

39   marcus   2014 Jan 4, 10:25am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Mikhail01 says

Columbine TrenchCoat Mafia.......Jewish.

Jared Lee Loughner..........Jewish.

Adam Lanza............Jewish

Ted Kaczynski............Jewish.

Jonathon Pollard...........Jewish.

Bernie Madoff...........Jewish.

bgamall, is that you ?

40   Robert Sproul   2014 Jan 4, 10:32am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

oh really, how exactly would the cops be able to tell?

You got to remind yourself that this kid did NOTHING illegal and he did NOTHING to endanger another human being. You can't shoot kids cause their parents are a little stupid.
Shit man, that would never end.

41   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2014 Jan 4, 11:59am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Robert Sproul says

Mark D says

oh really, how exactly would the cops be able to tell?

You got to remind yourself that this kid did NOTHING illegal and he did NOTHING to endanger another human being. You can't shoot kids cause their parents are a little stupid.

Shit man, that would never end.

you have to put yourself in the cops' shoes. it's kill or potentially get blown into pieces with an assault rifle carried by a hooded brown male in a Hispanic neighborhood. i'd rather risk getting fired than get shot.

42   Robert Sproul   2014 Jan 4, 12:48pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Call it Crazy says

cops have a real shitty job

It is a pretty sweet gig, for the level of education and training.
80-100 grand a year, fat-ass bene's, complete immunity from fuck-ups due to Qualified Immunity and unqualified support of coworkers and union.
The big DANGEROUS JOB bugaboo? Despite the Police hysteria regarding "Officer Safety" (their excuse to shoot puppys and poodles) that shit is nonsense, LE is not even in the top 10.
Refresher:

The cowards disarmed him and THEN killed him.

43   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2014 Jan 4, 12:52pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Robert Sproul says

The cowards disarmed him and THEN killed him.

They'll draw an early pension for PTSD they contracted while jerking off on the convulsing body of the dying kid.

Welcome to the fucking states.

44   bdrasin   2014 Jan 4, 1:57pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mikhail01 says

Columbine TrenchCoat Mafia.......Jewish.

Jared Lee Loughner..........Jewish.

Adam Lanza............Jewish

Ted Kaczynski............Jewish.

Jonathon Pollard...........Jewish.

Bernie Madoff...........Jewish.

Don't forget about me; I'm Jewish too

45   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2014 Jan 4, 2:39pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Robert Sproul says

The cowards disarmed him and THEN killed him.

you didn't read the comment posted by the video uploader:

"WHAT DID YOU SEE???? Officers ordered the suspect to put the assault rifle down, and that is what he is doing, Right? it appears he is complying and then they shoot him!!!

OMG, he is shot! Is that what you saw? Do you want to know what it is like to work the streets as a cop, and what risks our Officers face daily? Watch the video again... Watch the suspect's right hand while he places the rifle down with his left hand. What you don't see by facing this Criminal face to face, but the Officer behind the suspect does see, is the suspect pulling a hidden handgun from his rear pants, with his right hand. {back-up yells "Gun"
before firing}

Watch as the bad guy goes down..... the handgun is still in his right hand. This is a reminder... What you think you see at does not always tell the truth."

46   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2014 Jan 4, 2:43pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Robert Sproul says

Refresher:

precisely.

47   Robert Sproul   2014 Jan 5, 12:19am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mark D says

suspect pulling a hidden handgun from his rear pants,

Or…..he was complying by trying to set the handgun down as well. There was nothing this fool could have done to avoid getting gunned down.

Crime rates declining for DECADES, LE deaths at lowest point since 18freaking87, and yet they are shooting US (and our dogs) at an ever escalating rate.

"The 2013 number continued a general decades-long decline for law enforcement deaths since a peak of 280 deaths in the early 1970s. Like much of the U.S., which has seen violent crime rates near their lowest point in generations, life for police officers seems to have gotten safer.

But the number of justified [they are nearly all Justified] homicides by police officers has increased over time, according to the latest available statistics from the FBI, which do not include 2013."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-police-deaths-20131230,0,2076517.story#ixzz2p1e7a6zU

Here is a couple of Houston Heroes sauntering up and justifying some crazy old man:

They are also doing totally unnecessary, hyper-violent ,no-knock, SWAT raids at the rate of 40 THOUSAND a year. Just for the Testosterone High.

48   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   2014 Jan 5, 1:37am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Talking to people is dangerous. You could get a cold. Best the cops never leave their cars. They should just carry M134s and saw people in half with automatic weapon fire for enhanced safety.

49   BoomAndBustCycle   2014 Jan 5, 1:49am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

You know how you avoid getting shot? Collapse like a freaking rag doll and put your hands on your head!

50   TwoScoopsMcGee   2014 Jan 8, 1:45am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BoomAndBustCycle says

You know how you avoid getting shot? Collapse like a freaking rag doll and put your hands on your head!

Apparently not.

90-pound Teen killed by Cops in Cold Blood


What began as a family’s call to police for help in calming a schizophrenic teenager armed with a screwdriver and a mouthful of threats ended with police gunfire and heartache.

The killing of Keith Vidal, 18, of Boling Springs Lakes, NC, over the weekend has spurred a state investigation into the teen’s death and a family’s call for answers as they say police shot Vidal in cold blood.

Family of Vidal said they called police on Sunday afternoon to help subdue the 90-pound teen who was holding a small screwdriver and threatening to fight his mother during a schizophrenic episode. Two officers responded to the family’s home and restrained Vidal. Then, a third officer arrived and soon thereafter reportedly shot Vidal, Mark Wilsey, Vidal’s step-father, told reporters during a press-conference on Monday.

According to Wilsey, as the first two officers were restraining Vidal, the third officer walked into the family’s house and said “I don’t have time for this. Tase him. Let’s get him out of here,” Wilsey said. At that point, one of the officers used a stun gun on Vidal. The young man hit the ground and “this guy shot him,” Wilsey said.

Vidal was taken to a local hospital where he was declared dead.

When Wilsey asked why the officer had shot the teen, he said the officer replied, “Well, I’m protecting my officers.”

“He reached right up, shot this kid point-blank, with all intent to kill,” Wilsey said. “Keith was not threatening anybody, Keith did not want any part of it. He was having a bad day,” Wilsey said. “He was flat out murdered, there was no need for deadly force. No reason.”

Cop inconvenience is a reason, justified by "Protecting my officers from a 90-lb kid that was just tazed after he was already restrained by two adult males",

51   TwoScoopsMcGee   2014 Jan 8, 1:51am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

If cops were Coffee Shop Employees:

Springfield : Today, Mrs. Annie Ying was killed by Starbucks Supervisor Maddy Hightower, after Ying complained to Hightower about not following her half-soy, half-calf instructions. Hightower then pulled a pistol and shot Ying 7 times, emptying the .45 into her chest and face. Hightower claimed that she was in fear of her physical safety as Ying appeared on the verge of violence."

Barrista Union Rep Dewey Cheatham said that Hightower was justified, as it is Union Policy - and now the policy of Springfield City - that barristas' use of deadly force is always legal if the barrista feels physically threated. Springfield City DA Rex Governor said "Absolutely. No charges will be filed against Hightower by the city, as the safety of coffee servers is sacred in Springfield. We will be having a meeting of the Coffee Shop Oversight Committee to determine how best to prevent dangerous individuals like Ying from starting these terrible confrontations."

Chairman of the Springfield Tea Party said "Everybody knows how to stop these kinds of situations - don't argue with the Starbucks Employees, respect their expertise and authority. Do exactly what they say. If they said, 'buy a tall latte', you just switch your order. That, or you're a communist."

52   Robert Sproul   2014 Jan 11, 1:14am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Synopsis: overanxious cop spends an hour hyperventilating, while staring at a parked car. Nervously approaches it (in Lone Hero mode).
Has a panic attack at the sight of a toy handgun.
Shoots citizen in head.

http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/latestlocalnews/1814527-8/man-shot-by-yakima-police-was-holding-a

He then gets the standard 48 hours of paid seclusion to compose his alibi.

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