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Holy Shit! Assange sez a Leak Source was Seth Rich

By TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Aug 9, 7:13pm   3 links   12,938 views   102 comments   watch (1)   quote      

Doesn't say that Seth Rich was murdered, just says it was "Suspicious".

Prepare for a Media Assault on Assange and his credibility. Those things only happen in non-neoliberal countries.

Wasn't Seth Rich 27 years old?

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63   CBOEtrader   2016 Aug 10, 7:03am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

EDIT:

I just watched the video... JA does not say SR was a source. reserve judgement

64   turtledove   2016 Aug 10, 7:13am     ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

"But the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."

There is only one way to interpret that quote.

Bullshit! When I heard him say it, I didn't hear a joke, at all. I only thought he meant that, gun owners, as a large group of people, could provide a large voting block if they worked together. You are out of your mind and determined to see a predetermined meaning in everything Trump says. That's your problem, not his.

65   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 7:18am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

turtledove says

Bullshit! When I heard him say it, I didn't hear a joke, at all. I only thought he meant that, gun owners, as a large group of people, could provide a large voting block if they worked together. You are out of your mind and determined to see a predetermined meaning in everything Trump says. That's your problem, not his.

tatupu70 says

But the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know

"Maybe there is? I don't know?" He's not sure if people can vote?

66   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 7:27am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ironman says

No, there's two. The ones with common sense and DON'T take statements out of context, and people like YOU and YESYNOT and the MSM who suffer from MAJOR Trump Derangement Syndrome

OK, please put it in context then for us. Let's see how the context changes the interpretation.

67   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 7:28am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Here, I'll help you out CIC. This gives the context, right?

68   mell   2016 Aug 10, 7:35am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

turtledove says

tatupu70 says

"But the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."

There is only one way to interpret that quote.

Bullshit! When I heard him say it, I didn't hear a joke, at all. I only thought he meant that, gun owners, as a large group of people, could provide a large voting block if they worked together. You are out of your mind and determined to see a predetermined meaning in everything Trump says. That's your problem, not his.

Completely agree.

69   HEY YOU   2016 Aug 10, 7:38am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

At this point you are demonstrating the same kind of refusal to listen to reality that conservatives often display in their bubble.

Did you mean :....that conservatives display all the time? lol

70   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 8:22am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Ironman says

Here's "context" for you Tatty. I'll post this here too. It's 31 seconds, TWICE as long as your "context".

Great--so which is it then? A casual joke or a call for gun owners to vote?

71   Quigley   2016 Aug 10, 9:07am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Sociopathic KILLARY is praised to the heavens by an adoring legion of MEDIAFUCKS while Trump's every utterance and fart is meticulously analyzed for a way to take it out of context. Just like a fucking woman to take everything you say in the worst sort of way possible!
MEDIAFUCKS!

72   FortWayne   2016 Aug 10, 9:10am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Democrats are a party of entitled brats, gays, lesbians, sexually confused (whatever the term they use these days), feminists and communists like Dan.

73   Dan8267   2016 Aug 10, 9:12am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

Dan, this is a free speech forum.

That's a straw man. It is a sign of a weak position for you to imply that I am in any way opposing free speech on PatNet.

errc says

Say whatever you'd like, and try as hard as you may, i promise you won't offend me.

And I promise to not give a rat's ass if I do offend you.

HEY YOU says

Dan8267 says

At this point you are demonstrating the same kind of refusal to listen to reality that conservatives often display in their bubble.

Did you mean :....that conservatives display all the time? lol

Bill Maher said it best. It happens mostly on the right because they have a much larger batshit crazy base, but the left is also guilty of it.

74   jazz_music   2016 Aug 10, 11:36am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

they have a much larger batshit crazy base

We have been focusing a little too much on Fox News on TV for brain washing people to be impenetrable to truth.

It is true that Fox News Roger Ailes defined the list of each day's GOP talking points integrated into current events. DAY TIME RADIO IS THE PRINCIPAL PROPAGANDA DELIVERY VEHICLE. On radio there isn't much competition like on TV. The points are simple and repeated, authoritarian style is used, ridicule is used, and instruction is given to deflect disagreement. GOP monopoly on day time talk is literally has no competition. Wealthy GOP donors bought up 95% of talk radio soon after FCC fairness doctrine was repealed and Limbaugh came on the scene.

Why do you think people here get ad hominem all the time instead of discussion? --personal attacks work great if it's your radio show and you can just go on to the next caller who may or may not be a shill to tell everyone how great they think the bully's show is. Fear, anger, authority, all directed against the powerless and poor.

So Fox News' motly authoritarians are just the evening reinforcement of the GOP points that have been pounded in all day long. You can watch that and feel right, hell even smug, about believing the message that you've already been thinking about all day. People outside of the bubble, ridiculed brutally every day by radio bullies, got dismissed as stupid. This sets the example of how to deflect differing opinions and tell yourself that by turning off that crappy hit radio music you got more sophisticated, worldly and AUTHORITARIAN.

Now that Ailes is retired after 20 years of setting the example they will have no problem in continuing his formula. With him gone it will just become easier to deny that they do it every day.

It doesn't matter if you argue and win because talk radio is going to be there all day tomorrow to reassure them that the assholes are right in demonizing the poor who have no talk radio to say different. Then in any comment thread on the internet THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DISINFORMED THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY to agree with the useful right wing fool and tell him that he's right ... and with authority too.

I've been reading up on the power of GOP abuse of talk radio and plan to make an OP but I have been busy.

75   justme   2016 Aug 10, 11:39am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

An important topic, with 80 comments, of which maybe more than half were off-topic. Good call to end that spergy discussion.

76   jazz_music   2016 Aug 10, 11:44am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Imagine how easy it is to divide and conquer people who listen to talk radio a lot during the work day, those would tend to be lower paid jobs. Get them all imagining all these poor people who want to live without working. PUSH THAT BUTTON, twist that knife and you can get outrage every time ... then along comes this authoritarian talk host with the all the answers straight from the CATO institute or some other bullshit GOP think tank.

This is evil shit, and it's not going to go away at all after Trump loses. Koch brothers got their tentacles controlling universities now. Murdoch owns WSJ and even National Geographic to name a few. Reality is going to be whatever they say it is no matter what.

77   jazz_music   2016 Aug 10, 11:46am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

justme says

Good call to end that spergy discussion.

Spergy?

Good call why?

78   jazz_music   2016 Aug 10, 11:50am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

Democrats are a party of entitled brats, gays, lesbians, sexually confused (whatever the term they use these days), feminists and communists

Only radio show hosts get away with spouting vitriol like that.

Here, in an uncontrolled free speech venue, you look moronic and pathetic.

79   jazz_music   2016 Aug 10, 11:57am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

justme says

An important topic

The discussion of the corrupted media relates to the subject of Seth Rich's suspicious death not being widely discussed.

Reporters are losing their employment and shrinking in their numbers all the time which makes it the perfect time to be corrupt in politics.

80   justme   2016 Aug 10, 12:25pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ow, jazz. You really misunderstood VERY badly what I was saying. Hint: IT WAS NOT ABOUT YOU.

81   lostand confused   2016 Aug 10, 1:16pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

ranian scientists aren't as interesting to most of the public as Trump's sexual harassment victims.

Except all his victims came out in defense of him . Hilalry's victim has been executed.

82   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 1:23pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

Except all his victims came out in defense of him . Hilalry's victim has been executed.

I'm not saying he's guilty, just that the sexual harassment scandal is much more interesting to the general public.

But, the Iranian scientist thing has been thoroughly debunked.

83   YesYNot   2016 Aug 10, 1:50pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

tatupu70 says

Iranian scientist thing has been thoroughly debunked

Only by the LameStreamMedia and their propaganda machine. Those with tin foil hats on know the truth. Add one to the HRC body count.

84   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Aug 10, 1:56pm     ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Sure, gunned down from behind in broad daylight with his wallet, phone, and watch on his body. Sounds like a typical robbery.

85   errc   2016 Aug 10, 3:31pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

How many people listen to right wing AM talk radio?

My Sirius politics channel are often hard to stomach, but most of them are lefty shops. Its pretty much nonstop "trump is so bad. Hahaha, we are so smart to know this! Vote against Trump in '16"

86   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 3:36pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

thunderlips11 says

Sure, gunned down from behind in broad daylight with his wallet, phone, and watch on his body. Sounds like a typical robbery.

I know it's hard to keep the conspiracy theories straight, but I'm pretty sure the Iranian scientist wasn't shot in DC.

87   Patrick   2016 Aug 10, 3:50pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

So many possibilities:

1. Hillary had Rich killed to prevent him from leaking even worse things. Rich was not smart enough to create and let them know he had created a "dead man's letter".
2. Gang initiation. They have to just kill someone at random to get into the gang so that the gang has something on them.
3. Actual robbery gone bad. Robber noticed someone and fled before taking wallet.
4. Trump killed Rich to make the DNC look bad.
5. Putin had Rich killed to make the DNC look bad as an unasked favor to Trump.
6. Assange is just making up random shit because he doesn't like Hillary.

I think #1 is the most likely. The Vince Foster "suicide" never sounded quite believable to me.

88   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 3:54pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

So, the theory is that Rich had incriminating material that he was going to take to the FBI? And that he was the DNC leak?

Why didn't he leak the incriminating material then? Especially since the FBI has already shown that they will quash any charges against HRC (at least, according to you guys). That doesn't make sense.

89   Patrick   2016 Aug 10, 3:58pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Maybe he did try to leak it, but didn't quite get the chance.

It's also very troubling that there is absolutely zero about the possibility of his being the DNC leaker in the mainstream press. Why isn't it even mentioned? Do you think Trump would get he same useful silence?

But I do want to point out the general level of media silence. Take these facts and change the names – imagine Trump’s email had been hacked, and then a staffer with possible ties to wikileaks was inexplicably shot dead. Imagine this poor young man had been a Kremlin whistleblower, or a Chinese hacker, or an Iranian blogger.

If this, as yet unsolved, murder had ties to anyone other than Hillary Clinton, would it be being so ritually and rigourously ignored by the MSM?

https://off-guardian.org/2016/08/10/seth-rich-murder-the-facts-so-far/

90   tatupu70   2016 Aug 10, 4:07pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Patrick says

t's also very troubling that there is absolutely zero about the possibility of his being the DNC leaker in the mainstream press.

Well, MSM requires things like sources, and does things like checking facts. Both of those tend to reduce the number of crackpot conspiracy theories that they can print.

91   zzyzzx   2016 Aug 10, 7:08pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Just wait for it, Twitter to ban #sethrich any minute now.

92   Patrick   2016 Aug 11, 10:17am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Interestingly, the WaPo has lots of articles on Seth Rich:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/newssearch/?query=seth%20rich

I finally found one fleeting mention of Seth Rich in the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/us/politics/democratic-party-russia-hack-cyberattack.html

93   YesYNot   2016 Aug 11, 10:39am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's really crazy. Seth Rich not only was the informant on the DNC, but also hacked the democratic congressional campaign committee and the private emails of 100 people in the Democratic party. That was one bad ass hacker. He must have been great at chit chat at the water cooler. Maybe he was a hypnotists.

94   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   2016 Aug 11, 10:44am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

assange, grasping at internet conspiracy straws in a last ditch attempt to remain relevant...

95   epitaph   2016 Aug 11, 11:31am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

It was extremely suspicious considering the circumstances. Wikileaks also never discloses the source of the leak as a matter of policy. Is Assange trying to convey something between the lines? I have no idea, but it's possible, and it wouldn't surprise me if it were true, or partially true.

96   FortWayne   2016 Aug 11, 11:44am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

Imagine how easy it is to divide and conquer people who listen to talk radio a lot during the work day

You do realize that no one is forced to listen, but people choose to listen to that stuff because they agree with it. Just like you left wingers, commies, who are hell bent on total government control over everything choose to listen to your left wing kumbaya PC crap while you lose all your rights and your economy to offshore labor. Good job kid, should have spent more time working instead of watching pink panther.

97   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Aug 11, 2:15pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

says

It's really crazy. Seth Rich not only was the informant on the DNC, but also hacked the democratic congressional campaign committee and the private emails of 100 people in the Democratic party. That was one bad ass hacker. He must have been great at chit chat at the water cooler. Maybe he was a hypnotists.

He worked for the DNC. Not that hard. Given the level of passwords used by the employees, they probably told coworkers what it was, maybe to check it for them in an absence or somesuch.

98   errc   2016 Aug 11, 2:19pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yea were talking democrat pols and their workees. No diving in that end of the gene pool

99   jazz_music   2016 Aug 11, 10:11pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

people choose to listen to that stuff because they agree with it.

The point of PSYOPS is you agree with it because you listened to it. Perfected tools are being used to achieve their well established effect. In June 1987, Congress attempted to preempt the FCC decision and codify the Fairness Doctrine but the legislation was vetoed by President Ronald Reagan. The talk radio coup was launched just in time for Bill Clinton with a daily report of how many days Clinton would have to be president unless removed.

News flash: Propaganda works.

Choice was restricted by monopoly. Fox coordinated affiliates present a fly trap alternate reality for unwary people who are stuck in cars not unwarned that PYSOPS tools are being used against them. There isn't a balance when 95% is held by Fox affiliates coordinating GOP talking points. Music gets boring especially for people who drive a lot.

You can work for a monopoly and rant about the free market every day. People work long hours for whip crackers, who's job is never to be satisfied, and oh how they would love to be the one dumping the authoritarian speech on others instead of it dumped on them.

100   jazz_music   2016 Aug 11, 10:16pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

Democrats are a party of entitled brats, gays, lesbians, sexually confused (whatever the term they use these days), feminists and communists like Dan.

See what you did there? You spouted authoritarian bully shit because it makes you feel good.

You don't give a fuck if it's true or not. IT FEELS GOOD.

Fuck you!

That felt great too and it was honest.

Did you read that list of a couple hundred DOCUMENTED sex crimes by Republicans in office I posted? Fuck no, you don't care about that those were other people's kids.

Bill Clinton fell for some intern honey trap, who bragged ahead of time that she was going to get him. Now THAT you care about, lets keep that on the air every day demanding impeachment.

Control of what isn't discussed is a powerful tool when you have a monopoly on airtime to dumb people down.

The worst laws happen when people are all distracted by media constantly discussing OJ, or Michael Jackson or some air crash off Australian coast FOR WEEKS! EVIDENTLY people have a hard time avoiding the barrage.

101   jazz_music   2016 Aug 11, 10:38pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

you left wingers, commies, who are hell bent on total government control over everything choose to listen to your left wing kumbaya PC crap while you lose all your rights and your economy to offshore labor. Good job kid, should have spent more time working instead of watching pink panther.

There you go again spouting authoritarian radio bully shit. I'm probably older than you.

Next caller. You felt good. Truth? fuck it you rather condescend than discuss. But it's not your microphone and you sound as dumb and pathetic as you are.

You know NOTHING ABOUT ME except that I have an opinion and I bring references here to discuss.

You don't care Clinton had national debt paid up and Reagan ran up the biggest debt ever just like Bush did. You don't care Reagan cut taxes for rich, busted unions, deregulated investment and savings banks safeguards.

Trump isn't violating PC, his nonsense violates common decency. Nobody needs propaganda to realize that either. You don't care Trump is also a sucker for constantly taking the bait. You have been pwned big time and that's why you are such a laughing stock on this site.

102   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Dec 31, 3:18pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BUMP.

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