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Haha-IHL has created a monster!

By lostand confused   2016 Sep 14, 6:21pm   8 links   7,660 views   56 comments   watch (1)   quote      

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17   HydroCabron   2016 Sep 15, 11:54am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Butthurt lives matter!

18   junkmail   2016 Sep 15, 11:57am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

So it actually pays us to recognize the exploitation of the poor under the color of the law even if a black guy is in the white house.

That's an interesting point. My contention was and is... If you're black and getting shit-kicked in the streets:
A Democrat in the white house can't/won't help you.
A black guy in the white house can't/won't help you.
A black Democrat in the white house can't/won't help you.

So to think a female candidate with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational will help the black inner city plight is delusional.
And what I quoted there was an opinion of a black guy.

Here's another black guy's opinion of Hillary...

19   HydroCabron   2016 Sep 15, 12:14pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

junkmail says

a female candidate with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational

The chain of adjectives "long track record, greedy, unbridled ambition, not transformational" applied to Trump would be seen by Trump supporters as further confirmation of his total awesomeness.

They love his greed - it's what makes capitalism work - and worship his unbridled ambition. And they want a non-transformational president.

20   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 12:55pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

junkmail says

Democrat in the white house can't/won't help you.

Vote for Clinton and you avoid buying the brand that advertises serving the wealthy with some highly touted side-perqs for those distracted by inflaming their passions day and night into having some fucked up kind of team spirit.

Vote for Trump (OMG LOL) and you cannot avoid getting the fierce reboot of Republican values

SUMMARY OF REPUBLICAN VALUES
1. Repeal Obamacare: If you can't afford insurance, just die. (alternatives have been "alluded to" (trotted out rhetorically) but no alternative has ever been detailed)
2. You can't marry whom you love: marry whom we tell you to marry.
3. If your fetus dies inside you, or has a chromosomal abnormality incompatible with life, we want you to wait a few months to give birth when you're good and sick. Insurance companies shouldn't have to fund birth control, but every man should have Viagra (we don't care if he's married, but unmarried women who have sex are sluts)
4. We won't fund repair for roads and bridges.
5. We won't fund any research. (or even allow tax credits for it)
6. We don't like feeding the poor (even though we would love the image of being Christian)
7. There should be guns everywhere at all times so that if a nutcase starts shooting, everyone can start shooting.
8. We won't fund the VA adequately, but we will complain loudly when the VA fails to deliver good results.
9. We don't want to pay soldiers adequately or make sure they can get jobs when they come back, but we will jump on the Go To War bandwagon at the drop of a hat.
10. We will do everything we can to support the ultra rich because they are the ones giving us money to get re elected. (To be fair, Democrats do this, too, but it's not carved into their mission statement)

I honestly can't understand why there are any questions at all.

21   HydroCabron   2016 Sep 15, 1:01pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

but no alternative has ever been detailed

It's the Paul Ryan approach:

I am a very serious policy person from Washington D.C. I will run a surplus by cutting $100 trillion dollars from the federal budget. Details to follow ...

22   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 1:04pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

HydroCabron says

what makes capitalism work

If you think capitalism works it's probably because you got a job working for the local government, got money in equities which haven't exploded yet, and you are a landlord.

23   junkmail   2016 Sep 15, 2:14pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

I honestly can't understand why there are any questions at all.

The question is... is Hillary really the right person to get your laundry list done?

We've had a Dem in the white house for 8 years (admittedly a stalemate) and your list of griefs go back long before then. So I don't think Hillary is going to magic it all to happen. LEAST of all caring/helping the 'super predators'.

Also please don't assume, because I'm trashing Hillary, that I'm all over Donald. His crazy is right on the surface. With her it's all done in the shadows.

24   lostand confused   2016 Sep 15, 5:07pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

lostand confused says

that you are a nigger too

And you are talking about racism ?

jazz music says

Yes are you being impenetrable with your innuendo? T

Nope your true feelings came out. You claim to care about downtrodden people-but your true feelings about how you feel about them came out.

The filth of the lefties is churning out to the surface and they are beginning to show who they are.

25   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 5:22pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

true feelings about how you feel about them came out

If you weren't obsessed on taking a word and turning it into some kind of point.

By the way what exactly is your fucking point? ... because mine is obviously that "they" are "us" especially in the eyes of money hungry enforcers who illegally conspire to call us all losers once they get a hold of us.

Your butt-hurt about your "my life matters" is your only point so far, which sucks because blacks, like I said ... remember back then? .... have a far more legitimate AND SPECIFIC point to make about their lives mattering. (as opposed to what authoritarian actions would admit)

You pretend not to see any point there just as you pretend not to see any point here. You think trifling around with playing a word game has some fun in it for trolling purposes. So fuck you.

26   lostand confused   2016 Sep 15, 5:36pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

jazz music says

If you weren't obsessed on taking a word and turning it into some kind of point

Nope, that just revealed your thought process of the downtrodden/poor. Life happens-some people bounce back and others don't that does not make them the N word. But your kind and your stupdi theoritical ideas and your views on people-minorities are tired. Just imagine the outcry if trump said something like that-but hey it is fine if you are a leftie-you cnannever do wrong. lefties are the radical mullahs of the western world.

jazz music says

When you yourself lose your career job, as you get older, or you may suffer divorce, handicap or other setback and hit the slippery slopes into silenced poverty you'll start to see that when your car is old and you live in a poor area that you are a nigger too

27   lostand confused   2016 Sep 15, 5:40pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

jazz music says

ou pretend not to see any point there just as you pretend not to see any point here. You think trifling around with playing a word game has some fun in it for trolling purposes. So fuck you.

Call people the N word and then when they respond they are trolls and you tell them to fuck themselves-classy, classy. Typical leftie-from Hilalry on down to the college campus-your kind is them-can never be challenged, can never be questioned, just be held up as some pure white light being-your mask is slipping and the ugliness underneath is bubbling up. Must have been hard keeping all that buttoned down for so long. You folks are becoming unhinged.

jazz music says

Your butt-hurt about your "my life matters" is your only point so far, which sucks because blacks, like I said ... remember back then? .... have a far more legitimate AND SPECIFIC point to make about their lives mattering. (as opposed to what authoritarian actions would admit)

Nope, who cares. I just find it funny. I do not view blacks as some monolithic entity-like the lefties. But as individuals who have some extra melanin. But that is too complicated for the lefties-who need them segregated to feed their egos.

28   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 5:42pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Our country wasn't always defined by racial oppression to redefine slavery to create convenient circumstances for the rich. Occasionally the game reemerges.

The rich DO have their slaves now, and they don't have to provide a place for the slaves to reside. All the slave taxes pay for financial assistance for those who work multiple unlivable wage (slave service) jobs. Slaves are corralled into ghettos where the police question and document their every move right down to their super-expensive ankle bracelets.

There was a time when America was defined by stealing land from indigenous people who were lacking in military force.

But there's always some gambit afoot that funnels public investment into private hands. The banking industry comes to mind. They were quelled from 1947 to 1971 and banking was again a boring world all during that time.

Then there was a time when the united states was redefined by all the taxpayers developing electronics and software technologies under taxpayer funded grants so that the hand-picked technology winners could take what looked most profitable and privatize those gains forming the most successful corporations of today's world.

Now the redefinition is the same but instead of hardware development it's mostly biological development but the pattern of public investment and privatized gains continues absolutely unhindered.

Those business entities who come out on top have this mathmaticized religion called economics to front for them and preach their gospel of free markets.

29   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Sep 15, 5:50pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

"It used to be that you couldn't drink the Water in Mexico, but cars were made in Flint. Now you can't drink the water in Flint, but the cars are made in Mexico." - Donald Trump

30   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 5:52pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

Call people the N word and then when they respond they are trolls and

blah blah blah you are as thick headed as they come. Why the hell talk to you when you can't understand a simple point?

lostand confused says

Nope, who cares. I just find it funny. I do not view blacks as some monolithic entity-like the lefties.

Okay you are this great guy who sees the world in a more egalitarian eyes than anyone who may question your dismissal of "Black Lives Matter" ... oh fuck there's the subject again ... therein lies your point. You are in love with yourself and you can't be bothered to stick to a subject because your opponent is so heinous or ugly. Oh oh oh the butt-hurt humanity!

.... because you argue that black lives matter has no more of a point to it than saying all lives matter. Oh Hillary! Oh lefties! Oh ugly! oh you unhinged!

You deserve an ultra classy response so fuck you sideways you brain dead motherfucker!

31   lostand confused   2016 Sep 15, 5:58pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

jazz music says

You deserve an ultra classy response so fuck you sideways you brain dead motherfucker

Modern day leftie-or is it the classic leftie? probably worked till now-demonize anyone who does not agree with you, never think, never accept nuances, repeat stupid slogans and and think you are oh so great. Just wondering why no one except your ilk give you any credence anymore.

32   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 6:02pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Leftie leftie leftie Louie Louie Louie you gotta go

Okay and take your pathetic ilk taunting "Black Lives Matter" (OMG THERE'S THE SUBJECT AGAIIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!) and go to hell

P.S. all that boring ad hominem works as a substitute for discussing the subject only when it's your radio show and you own the microphone (which in your case will never ever happen)

33   lostand confused   2016 Sep 15, 6:03pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

jazz music says

bah blah you are as thick headed as they come. Why the hell talk to you when you can't understand a simple point?

That si the funniest thing I have heard. I wonder if you have ever let a non PC, non approved non leftie thought enter your head in decades. No wonder your inside is bubbling up and exploding against your ego.
Life not making sense eh?

34   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 6:10pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

not making sense eh?

Uhhhh nice cartoons. I feel so honored that you are really pulling out the heavy cartoon artillery in my honor. Nothing on the subject of course because you have no point to make other than you are the consummate egalitarian about race who thinks taunting "Black Lives Matter" (OMG THERE'S THE SUBJECT AGAIIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!)

... is the cool thing to do.

Again all that boring ad hominem works as a substitute for discussing the subject only when it's your radio show and you own the microphone (which in your case will never ever happen)

35   lostand confused   2016 Sep 15, 6:14pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

jazz music says

onsummate egalitarian about race who thinks taunting "Black Lives Matter" (OMG THERE'S THE SUBJECT AGAIIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!)

... is the cool thing to do.

Hahaha-you are funny and give me a good laugh-lOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!jazz music says

I feel so honored that you are really pulling out the heavy cartoon artillery in my honor.

Thanks for the laugh you are funny-though I am sure you are trying not to be-LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jazz music says

Again all that boring ad hominem works as a substitute for discussing the subject only when it's your radio show and you own the microphone (which in your case will never ever happen)

Perhaps that si your dream-take your show on the road? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too much fun .

36   Strategist   2016 Sep 15, 8:16pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

jazz music says

When you yourself lose your career job, as you get older, or you may suffer divorce, handicap or other setback and hit the slippery slopes into silenced poverty you'll start to see that when your car is old and you live in a poor area that you are a nigger too

When you lose your career job at a late stage in life, and have nothing to fall back on, it is you who is to blame for not managing your personal finances well. Were you living hand to mouth all your life? shame on you. Were you living off the equity of your home for an extended period of time? shame on you.
Now you screw up and call for a revolution to bail you out. Shame on you.
Take responsibility for your own bad decisions. Don't blame others. Be happy you live in America, and not Africa.

37   landtof   2016 Sep 15, 8:18pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music is an UNEMPLOYED! SHITBAG! KOOK!

38   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 8:26pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

junkmail says

A Democrat in the white house can't/won't help you.

That may be true if you listen to talk radio and Fox, but in the real world there are many real accomplishments by just one democrat and don't ever forget that Bill Clinton had us FREE OF DEBT!

A republican in the white house gave us 3 strikes, war on drugs, busted unions, monopoly activists on the supreme court, exponential debts, never ending wars, privatization of the commonwealth, and many acts handing America over to select cronies.

this too:

386 OBAMA ACCOMPLISHMENTS SO FAR, WITH CITATIONS
In 2008, we elected the most progressive president in history. And regardless of the negativity, when you actually look at the record, there has been a lot of progress since January 20, 2009. If you’ll recall, when he took over the reins of power, the economy was in free-fall and we were practically a world laughingstock. That is no longer the case.

Here is a list of many of President Obama’s accomplishments as President. Every one of them has a citation, so no one can dismiss them out of hand, although many have tried since I started to compile this list Even with the obstacles we gave him, especially the Republican Congress, this President will leave behind a wonderful legacy.

Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse. http://1.usa.gov/dUvbu5

On his first full day, he froze White House salaries for the duration of the Great Recession. http://cbsn.ws/2aNMqNN

He committed to phasing out unnecessary and outdated weapons systems and signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act, in an attempt to limit waste, fraud and abuse in the defense procurement and contracting systems. http://bit.ly/hOw1t1

Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, thereby cutting ties between energy companies and the government. http://nyti.ms/bw1MLu

Banned anyone from working in an agency they had lobbied in previous years and placed strict limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House. http://nyti.ms/gOrznV

Improved the Freedom of Information Act and issued new guidelines to make FOIA more open and transparent when processing FOIA requests. http://1.usa.gov/gjrnp2

Signed a law to completely reform NSA Data Collection program and keep phone records in the hands of the phone company. http://bit.ly/1dG34vD

Worked with Apple Computer to get them to build more product here, and the company is building two large plants to manufacture products here; one in Texas http://zd.net/1nkpt2O and one in Arizona http://bit.ly/1mXY5Vg

Created an institute to invest in more manufacturing jobs in the technology fields of the future. http://nyti.ms/1egyXrV

Ordered all federal contractors to pay a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour, leading the way to a national increase. http://wapo.st/1iaU5kd As a result of this decision, a number of large employers, including Disney and Walmart, have increased their minimums. http://bit.ly/2c3iwF5

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.5% of GDP in FY 2015. http://bit.ly/2cI4ABV

Scolds Congress and gets a $305 billion highways bill passed. This bill has the added benefit of created hundreds of thousands of new jobs and creating incentives for green cars. http://bit.ly/1NsL2Zq

Signed the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act giving the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud in every corner of the financial system, and create a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial fraud that led to the economic meltdown. http://abcn.ws/g18Fe7

Ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money. http://huff.to/eAi9Qq

Along with Congressional Democrats, pushed through and got passed Dodd-Frank, one of the largest and most comprehensive Wall Street reforms since the Great Depression. http://bit.ly/hWCPg0http://bit.ly/geHpcD

Created and implemented rules to reduce the influence of speculators in the oil market. http://bit.ly/MDnA1t

Pushed through and signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as “the stimulus package.” He also launched recovery.gov, a website that allows taxpayers to track spending from the Act. http://bit.ly/2aw6HGt

By the end of his first year, the economy created and sustained 2.1 million jobs and the ARRA stimulated the economy by 3.5%. http://reut.rs/i46CEE

He guided the massive TARP financial and banking rescue plan and forced financial organizations to pay back virtually all bailout money. http://bit.ly/2alXjlV

Established the Making Home Affordable home refinancing plan. http://1.usa.gov/goy6zl

In 2010 alone, more jobs were created than had been created during Bush’s eight years. http://bit.ly/hrrnjY

He pushed through and implemented an auto industry rescue plan that saved as many as 1 million jobs and possibly the entire auto industry. http://bit.ly/ibhpxr http://bit.ly/gj7mt5

Through his investment in GM, returned to the company to its place as the premiere car company in the world. http://lat.ms/zIJuQx

In February 2016, GM was in such good financial shape, they gave a share of the profit to each worker, with checks up to $11,000. http://detne.ws/1mk7Jry

Signed the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, which helped millions of Americans avoid preventable foreclosures and provided $2.2 billion to combat homelessness and stabilize the housing market. http://bit.ly/2aiFCbi

Signed an Executive Order creating jobs immediately by reducing the time needed for review and permitting of infrastructure projects. http://1.usa.gov/GHxaYt

Through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009, he and Congressional Democrats provided tax credits to first-time home buyers, which helped the U.S. housing market recovery. http://bit.ly/dZgXXw http://bit.ly/2aOGmVM

Played a lead role in getting the G-20 Summit to commit to a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. http://nyti.ms/gHlgp5

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, saved at least 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors that would have otherwise been lost. http://1.usa.gov/ez30D

Signed bill to provide extra training for local police forces, especially with regard to active shooter situations. http://bit.ly/2cvFlRf

Created and implemented rules so banks can no longer use depositors’ money to invest in derivatives and other high-risk financial instruments that work against depositors’ interests. http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Supported the concept of allowing stockholders to vote on executive compensation. http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Endorsed and supported the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 that would close offshore tax avoidance loopholes. http://bit.ly/esOdfB http://bit.ly/eG4DPM

Negotiated a deal with Swiss banks permitting the US government to gain access to bank records of criminals and tax evaders. http://bit.ly/2aAwUS5

Signed the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act, closing many of the loopholes that allowed companies to send jobs overseas, and avoid paying US taxes by moving money offshore. http://1.usa.gov/bd1RTq

Thanks to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, inflation in the healthcare sector dropped to its lowest point in 50 years. http://on.wsj.com/1E6cYjF

Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. http://1.usa.gov/gIaNcS

Created an airline passenger bill of rights, preventing airlines from stranding passengers on tarmac for hours, requiring them to return to the gate within three hours or face stiff fines. http://bit.ly/2c3jAZi

Stock market has reached record highs, restoring most of the economic losses felt during the Bush Recession. http://bit.ly/1z4FAtL

Initiated a $15 billion plan designed to encourage increased lending to small businesses. http://1.usa.gov/eu0u0b

Used recovered TARP money to fund programs at local housing finance agencies in California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan. http://bit.ly/2b3jKOk

Oversaw the most sweeping food safety legislation since the Great Depression. http://bit.ly/2aiIPaS

Through the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act, extended the False Claims Act to combat fraud by companies and individuals using money from TARP and Stimulus programs. http://bit.ly/SLTcSa

Set up rules for banks in handling legal marijuana money. http://nyti.ms/1b80o2K

Blocks the merger of several health insurers to ensure that competition remains in the health insurance business. http://bit.ly/2cvHV9P

Under Obama, the bottom 95% of taxpayers pay lower federal income taxes than at any time in the last 50 years, including under Reagan, or either Bush. http://bit.ly/1w1W8Ns

More than 300 more items are listed at the link here
http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

39   landtof   2016 Sep 15, 8:27pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ironman says

You forgot one.

AND DRUGGED!

i shouldn't say unemployed, i'm sure jazz collects his fair share from the state of california

40   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 8:31pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

junkmail says

The question is... is Hillary really the right person to get your laundry list done?

Yes, and if you DO GET TRUMP, you will have Mike Pence running the country, because Trump is going to go on being his awesome self even if he gets elected. Trump is going to keep presiding over 500+ Corporations that bear his name if he wins ok?

Think about that. Pence is a card carrying tea party caucus member. Do you like that? His idea of helping the poor is blocking minimum wage increase laws.

Are you ready to defund Planned Parenthood? Keep Citizen's United? Expand campaign financing freedoms? Repeal Dodd-Frank? Do you deny man's impact on climate change? Ready to privatize and reduce Social Security? Like the flat rate tax idea? Back Israel against Iran? Expand NAFTA type deals? Against condoms? Against gay marriage? Against stem cell research?

WIKI ON PENCE

While in Congress, Pence belonged to the Tea Party Caucus.[42]

During Pence's twelve years in the House, he introduced 90 bills and resolutions; none became law.[43]

Abortion and Planned Parenthood[edit]
Pence began seeking to defund Planned Parenthood in 2007,[44] by introducing legislation aimed at preventing any organization that provides abortion services from receiving Title X funding.[45]

Birthright citizenship[edit]
In 2009, Pence opposed birthright citizenship (the legal principle set forth by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution that all persons born on U.S. soil are citizens). He co-sponsored a bill that would have limited citizenship to children born to at least one parent who is a citizen, immigrants living permanently in the U.S. or non-citizens performing active service in the U.S. Armed Forces.[46]

Campaign finance[edit]
Pence praised the 2010 Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United v. FEC when it was announced. Pence said, "Freedom won today in the Supreme Court. Today's ruling in the Citizens United case takes us one step closer to the Founding Fathers' vision of free speech, a vision that is cherished by all Americans and one Congress has a responsibility to protect. If the freedom of speech means anything, it means protecting the right of private citizens to voice opposition or support for their elected representatives. The fact that the Court overturned a 20-year precedent speaks volumes about the importance of this issue."[47]

Pence described the McCain–Feingold Act, which regulated the financing of political campaigns, as "oppressive restrictions on free speech".

Economy[edit]
Pence was a co-sponsor of H.J.Res.73, a 2011 spending limit amendment to the U.S. Constitution. This amendment would limit federal spending to "the average annual revenue collected in the three prior years, adjusted in proportion to changes in population and inflation."[48] In regards to adopting the gold standard, Pence stated in 2011, "the time has come to have a debate over gold and the proper role it should play in our nation’s monetary affairs".[49] Pence proposed legislation to end the dual mandate of the Federal Reserve (maximizing employment and stabilizing prices), requiring the Fed to just focus on price stability and not full employment.[50][51]

He has been a proponent of a flat federal tax rate.[52] Pence opposed the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) (the "Wall Street bailout") of 2008.[52] Pence also opposed the auto industry rescue package of 2008–09, which guided General Motors and Chrysler through bankruptcy.[53]

In 2007, Pence voted against the raising of the federal minimum wage to $7.25 (from $5.15) an hour over two years, stating that it "will hurt the working poor.”[54]

While in the House, Pence voted against the Employee Free Choice Act ("card check").[55]

He voted against the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[56] He had publicly opposed the bill[57] denouncing it as a failure, and called for a federal spending freeze.[58] Nevertheless, several months after voting against the bill, Pence privately sought $6 million in stimulus funds for projects in his district,[59] and in 2010, hosted a job fair for stimulus-backed employers.[60] A Pence spokesperson stated "... once it became law, he had a responsibility to support local efforts to secure funding for projects that could benefit people in his district."[59]

Pence voted against Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.[61]

Education[edit]
Pence voted against the No Child Left Behind Act.[62]

Energy and environment[edit]
While in the House, Pence "voted to eliminate funding for climate education programs and to prohibit the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gas emissions."[63] Pence also "repeatedly voted against energy efficiency and renewable energy funding and rules" and voted "for several bills that supported fossil fuel development, including legislation promoting offshore drilling."[63] The League of Conservation Voters, an environmentalist group, gave Pence a lifetime rating of 4 percent.[63]

Earmarks[edit]

Then-U.S. Representative Pence (third from left) standing behind then-governor Mitch Daniels at a 2008 press conference in Martinsville, Indiana
Pence was a supporter of earmark reform. He voted against the $139.7 billion transportation-treasury spending bill in June 2006, and in favor of a series of amendments proposed that same month by Jeff Flake that would strip other members' earmarks from the federal budget.[64] On occasion, however, Pence secured earmarks for projects in his district.[64]

Foreign policy[edit]
Pence supported the Iraq War Resolution, which authorized military action against Iraq.[65]

During the Iraq War, Pence opposed setting a public withdrawal date from Iraq. During an April 2007 visit to Baghdad, Pence and John McCain visited Shorja market, the site of a deadly attack in February 2007, that claimed the lives of 61 people. Pence and McCain described the visit as evidence that the security situation in Iraqi markets has improved.[66] The visit to the market took place under large security including helicopters overhead, and the New York Times reported that the visit gave a false indication of how secure the area was due to the extremely heavy security forces protecting McCain.[67]

Pence chaired the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on the Middle East and was a prominent supporter of George W. Bush's Iraq War troop surge of 2007. At the time, Pence stated that "the surge is working" and defended the initial decision to invade in 2003.[65]

Pence has opposed closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and trying the suspected terrorists in the U.S.[68] Pence believes that "the Obama administration must overturn this wrongheaded decision".[68] As an alternative, Pence has said that the "enemy combatants" should be tried in a military tribunal.[68]

Pence has stated his support of Israel and its right to attack facilities in Iran to prevent them from developing nuclear weapons, has defended the actions of Israel in its use of deadly force in enforcing the blockade of Gaza, and has referred to Israel as "America's most cherished ally".[69] He visited Israel in 2014 to express his support, and in 2016 signed into law a bill which would ban Indiana from having any commercial dealings with a company that boycotts Israel.[70]

Two weeks prior to the NATO intervention in Libya, Pence thanked the Obama administration and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for their efforts to isolate the Gaddafi regime.[71][72][73] Pence expressed support for "a no-fly zone" and stated that "Gaddafi must go."[71][72][73]

Healthcare[edit]
Pence voted against the act that created Medicare Part D, a Medicare prescription-drug benefit.[74] He also voted against the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.[75]

Patriot Act[edit]
Further information: History of the Patriot Act
Pence supported the USA Patriot Act on its passage in 2001,[76] and in 2005 called the act "essential to our continued success in the war on terror here at home."[77] Pence was a sponsor of legislation in 2009 to extend three expiring provisions of the Patriot Act (the library records provision, the roving-wiretap provision, and the lone-wolf provision) for an additional ten years.[78]

Immigration[edit]
In June 2006, Pence unveiled an immigration plan (which he described as "No Amnesty Immigration reform") that would include increased border security, followed by strict enforcement of laws against hiring illegal aliens, and a guest worker program. This guest worker program would have required participants to apply from their home country to government-approved job placement agencies that match workers with employers who cannot find Americans for the job.[79] The plan received support from conservatives such as Dick Armey,[80] but attracted criticism from other conservatives such as Phyllis Schlafly, Richard A. Viguerie, and Pat Buchanan, who viewed Pence as lending "his conservative prestige to a form of liberal amnesty."[8][81]

In 2010, Pence voted against the DREAM Act, which would grant the undocumented children of illegal immigrants conditional non-immigrant status if they met certain requirements.[82] In 2010, Pence stated that Arizona S.B. 1070, which at the time of passage in 2010 was the US's broadest and strictest anti-illegal immigration legislation, was "a good faith to try and restore order to their communities".[83]

Science[edit]
Climate change[edit]
Pence "does not accept the scientific consensus that human activity is the primary driver of climate change."[84] In 2001, Pence wrote in an op-ed that "Global warming is a myth,"[85] saying that "the earth is actually cooler today than it was about 50 years ago".[86] In 2006 and 2009, Pence expressed the view that it was unclear whether climate change was driven by human activity, and in 2009 he told Chris Matthews that there was a "growing skepticism in the scientific community about global warming”.[87][88]

In 2009, Pence led the Republican effort to defeat the American Clean Energy and Security Act (Waxman-Markey), a Democratic-backed bill to cut greenhouse gas emissions (and therefore combat climate change) through a cap-and-trade system.[84]

Embryonic stem cell research[edit]
Pence opposed President Obama's executive order eliminating restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research. Pence stated, "I believe it is morally wrong to create human life to destroy it for research... I believe it is morally wrong to take the tax dollars of millions of pro-life Americans."[89][90] He asserted that "scientific breakthroughs have rendered embryonic stem-cell research obsolete".[89][90]

Evolution[edit]
When asked if he accepts evolution, Pence answered "I believe with all my heart that God created the heavens and the earth, the seas and all that’s in them. How he did that I'll ask him about some day."[88][90] In a 2002 statement on the floor of the House (reported in the Congressional Record), Pence told his colleagues "... I also believe that someday scientists will come to see that only the theory of intelligent design provides even a remotely rational explanation for the known universe."[91]

Tobacco[edit]
In 2001, Pence wrote an op-ed arguing against the tobacco settlement and tobacco regulation, saying that they would create "new government bureaucracies" and encroach on private lives. He stated that "despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill."[92][93] Pence asserted, "2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer," while acknowledging that "smoking isn't good for you" and people who smoke should quit.[92][93]

In 2009, Pence voted against the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which allows the FDA to regulate tobacco products.[94] According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Pence's state of Indiana has one of the worst smoking problems in America.[90]

Sex education[edit]
In 2002, Pence criticized a speech by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell where Powell stated that it was "important for young people... to protect themselves from the possibility of acquiring any sexually transmitted disease" through the use of condoms.[95][96] Pence called Powell's comments a "sad day" and expressed his support for abstinence education.[95][96] Pence asserted that "condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases" and that Powell was "maybe inadvertently misleading millions of young people and endangering lives".[95][96]

Social Security[edit]
Further information: Social Security debate in the United States
Pence supported President George W. Bush's unsuccessful 2005 proposal to partially privatize Social Security[97] by allowing workers to invest part of their Social Security payroll taxes in private investment accounts and reduce the increase in benefits for high-income participants.[98] Pence had previously proposed a similar but more aggressive reform plan than Bush's.[98]

When asked in 2010 if he would be willing to make cuts to Social Security, Pence answered, "I think everything has to be on the table."[98] When asked if he would raise the retirement age, he said, "I'm an all-of-the-above guy. We need look at everything on the menu."[98]

Trade deals[edit]
Pence "has been a longtime, aggressive advocate of trade deals" between the U.S. and foreign countries.[99] Pence is a supporter of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA),[99] and during his tenure in the House, he voted for every free-trade agreement that came before him.[100] Pence voted in favor of the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA); in favor of keeping the U.S. in the World Trade Organization; and in favor of permanent normal trade relations with China.[100] Pence also supported bilateral free-trade agreements with Colombia, South Korea, Panama, Peru, Oman, Chile and Singapore.[100] Pence's strong stance in favor of free trade sharply differs from the stance of his running mate Trump, who has condemned globalization and the liberalization of trade.[99][100]

Pence voted against the Trade and Globalization Act of 2007, which would have expanded trade adjustment assistance to American workers adversely affected by globalization.[101]

Views on homosexuality[edit]
In 2000, Pence stated "Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexuals as a 'discrete and insular minority' entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities."[102] He called for "an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus" and instead advocated for resources to be directed toward conversion therapy programs, "[for] those seeking to change their sexual behavior."[103][104][105][106]

Pence has said that homosexuals should not serve in the military, saying, "Homosexuality is incompatible with military service because the presence of homosexuals in the ranks weakens unit cohesion."[107] Pence opposed the repeal of don't ask, don't tell, saying in 2010 that allowing gays and lesbians to openly serve in the military would "have an impact on unit cohesion."[107][108]

In 2007, Pence voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would have banned workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.[109]

Pence opposed the 2009 Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act,[110] saying that Barack Obama wanted to "advance a radical social agenda"[111] and said that pastors "could be charged or be subject to intimidation for simply expressing a Biblical worldview on the issue of homosexual behavior."[112]

Pence opposes both same-sex marriage and civil unions.[113] While in the House, he said that "societal collapse was always brought about following an advent of the deterioration of marriage and family".[114] He has advocated a constitutional same-sex marriage ban but did not champion such a proposed ban for his first year as governor.[115]

Other[edit]
In 2005, after Hurricane Katrina struck the Louisiana coast, Pence favored offsetting the costs of the hurricane with $24 billion in other spending reductions.[116]

Pence is an advocate of federal restrictions of online gambling. In 2006, he was one of 35 cosponsors of H.R. 4411, the Goodlatte–Leach Internet Gambling Prohibition Act,[117] and H.R. 4777, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act.[118]

Pence was mentioned as a possible Republican candidate for president in 2008[2] and 2012.[119] In September 2010, Pence was the top choice for president in a straw poll conducted by the Values Voter Summit.[120][121]

In June 2012, after the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act in NFIB v. Sebelius, Pence likened the ruling to the September 11 terrorist attacks in a closed-door meeting of the House Republican Conference. He immediately apologized for making the statement.[122]

41   BlueSardine   2016 Sep 15, 8:47pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

And the icing on the cake...
Imagine being so socially deprived that you have to drink yourself until you're numb to reality during the day, then, like a feeding shark with your black eyes rolled to the back of your head, you go pay to fuck mindless std dripping wenches out of country by night...
with the kicker being that it all takes place in your head. Poor RinJazz...

Ironman says

landtof says

Rin/Jazz music is an UNEMPLOYED! DRUNK! SHITBAG! KOOK!

You forgot one.

42   jazz_music   2016 Sep 15, 9:33pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

@lostand confused

Haha-IHL has created a monster! Ohhhh hahaha you give me good laff too

lostand confused says

si your dream-take your show

Oooohhhahaha!

43   HEY YOU   2016 Sep 16, 11:33am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

They are not deplorable!
They are rightwingredneckwhitetrashretards.

Deplorable would be a compliment.

44   jazz_music   2016 Sep 16, 11:48am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

HEY YOU says

Deplorable would be a compliment.

well? ... look at them all lovin' it.

The rightwingredneckwhitetrashretards lovin' it club. All the owning is already being done, there's nothing to aspire to until someone gets murdered.

45   YesYNot   2016 Sep 16, 1:07pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

This guy is deplorable:

46   YesYNot   2016 Sep 16, 1:08pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    



47   YesYNot   2016 Sep 16, 1:09pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

48   YesYNot   2016 Sep 16, 1:11pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

49   YesYNot   2016 Sep 16, 1:14pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

50   YesYNot   2016 Sep 16, 1:14pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

51   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Sep 16, 4:04pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Did Hillary ever join an All-White Country Club?


52   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Sep 16, 4:08pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Whites always had it easy on the backs on minorities.

53   Rashomon   2016 Sep 16, 4:36pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yeah, because that's obviously what the term white privilege is referring to.

It really isn't that difficult to understand and accept that there has been and still can be advantages to being white compared to non-whites for any given economic, social or political circumstance in the US.

54   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Sep 16, 6:53pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rashomon says

Yeah, because that's obviously what the term white privilege is referring to.

Are there advantages to being Han Chinese in China? Or Malay in Malaysia?

That the majority is the benchmark = normal.

55   Fucking White Male   2016 Sep 16, 6:56pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rashomon says

Yeah, because that's obviously what the term white privilege is referring to.

It really isn't that difficult to understand and accept that there has been and still can be advantages to being white compared to non-whites for any given economic, social or political circumstance in the US.

Prove it asshole!

56   Fucking White Male   2016 Sep 16, 6:59pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Lol Tobes accuses other's of thinking with their feelings but goes and posts a bunch of memes....based on feelings.

Tobey, YSSCKY.

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