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Why is the media mostly liberal and how did it come to be that way?

By BayArea   2016 Oct 11, 5:13am   3 links   5,205 views   45 comments   watch (0)   quote      

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6   Quigley   2016 Oct 11, 6:35am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

No, the country has been shifting LEFT on social issues, where now many Republicans are quite liberal on those, while it has been shifting RIGHT on economic issues towards oligarchy, corruption and pay-to-play like Mama Clinton's Foundation scheme, open borders to depress wages, and free trade to shift jobs overseas and kill unions.
The democrats keep doubling down on the social issues, going into crazy areas of social INjustice and calling anyone who disagrees a bigot or racist. Meanwhile they keep going further RIGHT in their economic policy and corruption! It's insanity, and they need the same sort of housecleaning that Trump is providing the Republicans.

Meanwhile, I believe THIS https://www.patrick.net/Clinton+Foundation+incriminates+oligarchs
Is the reason that the media and all the oligarchs are so absolutely batshit insanely rabid about supporting Hillary and denigrating Trump.

7   marcus   2016 Oct 11, 7:00am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley is deplorable says

corruption and pay-to-play like Mama Clinton's Foundation scheme

If you were honest with yourself you would know this is total bullshit. If you could construct an argument without such extreme lies I might be able to see your point of view.

You're willing to lie your ass off to get the Trump in to power, for whatever reason, and this reflects very poorly on you.

Maybe you should go into more detail on the CLinton Foundation scheme, and on who benefits. How does it work ? Because it sounds like absurd lies to me. Political noise to prevent us from seeing the candidates for who they are. It's a nice try, and probably the best you can do. But still just lies.

PRove me wrong. Please.

8   lostand confused   2016 Oct 11, 7:07am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley is deplorable says

the country has been shifting LEFT on social issues, where now many Republicans are quite liberal on those, while it has been shifting RIGHT on economic issues towards oligarchy, corruption and pay-to-play like Mama Clinton's Foundation scheme, open borders to depress wages, and free trade to shift jobs overseas and kill unions.

The democrats keep doubling down on the social issues, going into crazy areas of social INjustice and calling anyone who disagrees a bigot or racist. Meanwhile they keep going further RIGHT in their economic policy and corruption! It's insanity, and they need the same sort of housecleaning that Trump is providing the Republicans.

Exactly. Myself I am liberal as they come on social issues. I believe in equality for all-genders/race-but that means all should be allowed the same opportunity and there should be no reservations or quotas. Sink or swim.

I would like the war on drugs to end and gay marriage is fine by me. Basically anything that does not affect another person-as in if you drive the wrong side of a freeway or want to land a plane on the freeway or want to go in anybody's house -I guess that would make me libertarian.

But trade-I don't care free trade or protectionists. It should be what benefits su the people. Currently we are at the top of the world and we don't benefit free trade. Hilalry is a corrupt trash who took millions and millions of dollars and her Martin Luther King Moment is a dream of open borders-when 90+ million folks are supposed to be out of the labor force.

9   zzyzzx   2016 Oct 11, 7:35am     ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's because liberals, jews in particular, go to journalism school.

10   BayArea   2016 Oct 11, 7:39am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx is deplorable says

It's because liberals, jews in particular, go to journalism school

My next question was going to be, why do Jews have so much influence and power in the financial sector and media, given their relatively modest population size?

Journalism school eh? you may be onto something.

11   YesYNot   2016 Oct 11, 7:43am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley is deplorable says

No, the country has been shifting LEFT on social issues

This is true. On the other hand, taxes have been going down in the long run, and the economic system has been empowering wealthier educated people at the expense of unskilled labor. They are very low historically. So, we are in effect becoming more libertarian. Despite Ron Paul's rants about the fed, the world has moved in his direction. This has to suck for poor religious social conservatives, because the world is moving away from them. Donald is trying to be the salve for their wounds. Little do they know, he would likely treat them about as well as he accuses the left of treating blacks. His view of Hillary's intentions (with the Clinton Foundation and with blacks) is little more than projection.

12   YesYNot   2016 Oct 11, 7:49am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayArea says

My next question was going to be, why do Jews have so much influence and power in the financial sector and media, given their relatively modest population size?

Despite popular opinion, the Jews don't control everything. They are over-represented in the populations of Hollywood and New York. They are also very successful from a monetary standpoint. Hindus in America also do very well. None of this is a nefarious conspiracy.

Another question to ask is why is talk radio overwhelmingly right wing?

13   neplusultra57   2016 Oct 11, 8:04am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley is deplorable says

the country has been shifting LEFT on social issues..

...because of demographics, not some liberal political lie in the media. Jesus!

Quigley is deplorable says

now many Republicans are quite liberal on those

Not Republican politicians. Name some who aren't kicking and screaming as they get dragged into modernity. Not Republican media institutions. They and all the deplorables are whining 24/7 about how white men are no longer the standard by which America is measured.

BayArea says

My next question was going to be, why do Jews have so much influence and power in the financial sector and media?

Maybe because the Duck Dynasty crowd only reads the bible and only invests in guns. Isn't the impetus of your question "Why are the trends in American demograhpics in opposition to conservative beliefs?" The answer is "Because time marches on while conservatism denies the advance of time."

You can't stop what's comin'.

14   CL   2016 Oct 11, 8:32am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (4)   quote    

Easy. It's not. The whole "liberal media" thing is a trope, used by the "victims" of truth-telling to work the refs. It was admitted as such by Bill Kristol et al.

Fast-forward to today, and Trump works the moderators at the debate, on accounta they're mean to me!

15   Quigley   2016 Oct 11, 8:40am     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

marcus says

Maybe you should go into more detail on the CLinton Foundation scheme, and on who benefits. How does it work ? Because it sounds like absurd lies to me. Political noise to prevent us from seeing the candidates for who they are. It's a nice try, and probably the best you can do. But still just lies.

Do your own research! There have been gigabytes of papers, exposes, hell even feature films made about the crooked Clinton Foundation! You must be under a rock to not have heard, but then again you've shown yourself impervious to knowledge time and time again, proving to be not only ignorant but plainly unteachable. If you were a student, you would be the dunce, endlessly repeating kindergarten because you can't retain anything you don't already know. It's very sad and some part of me feels bad for you.

16   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 9:06am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

YesYNot MAPGA says

ndus in America also do very well. None of this is a nefarious conspiracy.

Long way to go for Hindus to catch up in professions, including medicine

17   ThreeBays   2016 Oct 11, 9:06am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

zzyzzx is deplorable says

It's because liberals, jews in particular, go to journalism school.

Just "because journalists go to school".

Few in their right mind can still support the GOP brand: a hodgepodge, part traditional social rights, part dismissal of science and fact, part economic policies to serve the owner class. Even GOP supporters are looking for change, hence Trump.

18   errc   2016 Oct 11, 9:11am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's not the liberal media. It's a Statist media, controlled by the same people that control the government.

The people on the right side of political privilige support it

19   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 9:12am     ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ironman says

Yep, useless journalism degrees

Mind control isn't useless; thats how the oligarchs keep the plebes in line

20   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 9:13am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

The people on the right side of political privilige support it

Ding ding ding!!! Winner winner, chicken dinner!!

21   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 9:15am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

ThreeBays says

part traditional social rights, part dismissal of science and fact

This is the biggest source of embarrassment for the Republican Party. Actually trump is helping to get away from topics such as abortion and religious right blather. How much has it been a topic in this election cycle?

22   errc   2016 Oct 11, 9:17am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

A better question is, why do the priviliged show so much contempt for the disprivileged?

You'd think they'd be grateful for all that they take. Instead, they yearn to take a big fat shit in the gift horses mouth

23   landtof   2016 Oct 11, 9:20am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayArea says

Why is the media mostly liberal and how did it come to be that way?

media is simply the presentation/delivery of content to the public. that doesn't necessarily mean that it is, or has to be, impartial or independent. on the contrary, media is an exceptional opportunity for society's power elite (which includes government, corporations, socialites, foundations, etc.) to filter the content and shape the presentation/delivery in such a way that is beneficial to them.

the onus is on the individual/household to make choices that benefit themselves in terms of economic strength and political power. unfortunately, what we have now is a public that is making choices based on "wedge issues" that do not result in any increase of their economic strength or political power. this is a perfect scenario for the power elite to utilize the media accordingly, by filtering on and presenting these topics (which just so happen to be leftist in nature) as the most important/critical.

the frightening result of their efforts: offensive speech may now be considered worse than actual crime.

24   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 9:22am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley is deplorable says

ou must be under a rock to not have heard, but then again you've shown yourself impervious to knowledge time and time again, proving to be not only ignorant but plainly unteachable. If you were a student, you would be the dunce, endlessly repeating kindergarten because you can't retain anything you don't already know. It's very sad and some part of me feels bad for you.

Him and fortwayne, two peas from same pod separated at birth

25   YesYNot   2016 Oct 11, 9:54am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

MMR says

Long way to go for Hindus to catch up in professions, including medicine

I read that 46% of Jews in America make over 100K. Hindus were next with 43%. That's pretty good.

26   marcus   2016 Oct 11, 10:14am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

YesYNot MAPGA says

Quigley is deplorable says

No, the country has been shifting LEFT on social issues

This is true.

Yes, but what does that have to do with politics ? A majority of people are okay with gay marriage. Even among republicans, if you survey republicans under 50, a super majority are fine with it. Democrats didn't cause this. In fact if you look at it, the media, and people like Hillary and Obama didn't get on board until it was a clear majority.

Occasionally, just occasionally, politicians are actually reflecting what the people believe and want, rather than trying to affect and control what people believe and want. This is one of many things that the republitards seem confused about.

27   junkmail   2016 Oct 11, 10:22am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

MMR says

Him and fortwayne, two peas from same pod separated at birth

Ain't that the truth!

28   marcus   2016 Oct 11, 11:01am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley is deplorable says

If you were a student, you would be the dunce,

So in other words you know that you are gullible and vulnerable to ridiculous right wing propaganda. Or perhaps you are a dishonest dirtbag, trying to sell a lie in hopes that it will save the orangeDB.

I wasn't even looking for details. I just wanted you to even put your thesis in to words that are believable or make any kind of sense. Here I'll try.

Bill Clinton who is already rich from speaking fees, Isn't interested in having the legacy of a foundation that does good in the world. Instead he wants to channel money in to this shell vehicle and go down in history as a dirt bag that sold access to the government in return for contributions to his "charity. "

Is that about it ?

I knew you wouldn't explain. You thought you could just make assertions about the Clintons being slimy, and they would automatically be believed as if this forum was only for right wingnuts. You are truly pathetic.

29   ThreeBays   2016 Oct 11, 11:56am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

A better question is, why do the priviliged show so much contempt for the disprivileged?

You'd think they'd be grateful for all that they take. Instead, they yearn to take a big fat shit in the gift horses mouth

Absolutely, but you didn't clarify which party you thought was doing the shitting. Pretty sure the party against social safety nets and for lower taxes for the rich is shitting on the disprivileged.

30   Dan8267   2016 Oct 11, 12:16pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

BayArea says

Why is the media mostly liberal and how did it come to be that way?

See this thread for details. Short version:

Liberalism is the political philosophy that
1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.
2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.
3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.

The mainstream media, at best, only advocates the third idea. The media is not liberal. It is highly conservative.

31   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Oct 11, 1:04pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Why are Blacks so dominant in Basketball? Do they secretly control the NBA?

Why are Scots-Irish so dominant in the Military? Do they secretly control the Pentagon?

Why are Greeks so dominant in the Diner Business? Do they secretly control the Food Service industry?

Why are Patel caste members so dominant in the under 40 room Hotel business? Do they control the tourism board in all 50 states?

Jews were the only ones doing the banking and tax thing in Europe for centuries, so no surprise they are good at it, and the ones best at it had the most kids.

However, conspiracy theorists never mention Medicis and Fuggers, both definitely non-Jewish banks that literally overthrew Rulers and Popes they didn't like by financing enemies, rebels, rival claimants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Medici

Or JP Morgan, or the Vanderbilts, for that matter.

32   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Oct 11, 1:07pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

YesYNot MAPGA says

I read that 46% of Jews in America make over 100K. Hindus were next with 43%. That's pretty good.

You are now the richest, if you assume Indians are mostly Hindus.
http://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-america/2015/05/08/this-us-ethnic-group-makes-the-most-money/

The rankings:

One of the reasons why this is, is because Indian immigrants are almost uniformly educated and/or already business owners in India prior to arrival. Whereas many Whites are poor.

33   justme   2016 Oct 11, 1:23pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The media never was and never will be liberal. It is the political landscape that has shifted right. When Robert Kagan (infamous neocon war-monger) endorses Hillary Clinton, you know how big that shift has become.

The media endorses Hillary because they know she will be obedient to her neocon and neoliberal overlords. That hardly makes the media liberal, on the contrary.

34   errc   2016 Oct 11, 1:26pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Obamas lone accomplishment was Heritage Foundation Care

Hillary is endorsed by the Kochs

These ain't yo mommas liberals

35   Dan8267   2016 Oct 11, 1:27pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Why are Blacks so dominant in Basketball? Do they secretly control the NBA?

Why are Scots-Irish so dominant in the Military? Do they secretly control the Pentagon?

Why are Greeks so dominant in the Diner Business? Do they secretly control the Food Service industry?

Why are New Jerseyans so dominant in the Guido industry? Do they secretly control all the hair gel, oil, and douches?

36   whitefaceddogey   2016 Oct 11, 2:32pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Why are New Jerseyans so dominant in the Guido Goat porn industry?

37   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Oct 11, 4:20pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

YesYNot MAPGA says

Another question to ask is why is talk radio overwhelmingly right wing?

You know who I never hear about anymore? Rush.

38   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 4:49pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

YesYNot MAPGA says

46% of Jews in America make over 100K. Hindus were next with 43%. That's pretty good.

That's only income; I was focused on the professions. Specifically, medicine. How many gatekeepers (residency directors and residency faculty) are Indian and how many are Jewish, especially in NYC.

Indians may be making money, but they aren't overwhelmingly in academic positions, which is slowly changing with more 2nd generation doctors (whos parents were usually doctors themselves 70% of the time).

This is true across the board in nearly every profession, except engineering disciplines.

Also, Jews easily make up more of the top 0.1% than hindus and it's not close..

Only after 40 years in this country are there some inroads being made. There are still way more American Jewish people in the high level specialties than Indians. This is despite fact that Jewish medical school enrollment has dropped over last 20-30 years and Indians overwhelmingly want their kids to be doctors. For the most part, many Jewish doctors of my fathers generation have actively discouraged their kids from even entering medicine.

Jews make up 2% of population and Indians make up around 1%.

No shortage of Indians in Internal Medicine and subspecialties; how many ENT surgeons, plastic surgeons, radiation oncologists, dermatologists and orthopedic surgeons are Indian. Jewish candidates esp on east coast probably outnumber 3:1. Probably half of the Jewish people I've seen in recent years pursuing medicine are from former soviet bloc countries. They are also not overwhelmingly in high-ranking specialties.

39   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 4:58pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Why are Patel caste members so dominant in the under 40 room Hotel business

Family helping family and relatives and pooling resources and intra-community lending. They wield significant clout in the franchise hotel business as probably close to 80% of them are owned by Indians.

40   errc   2016 Oct 11, 5:01pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

MMR says

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Why are Patel caste members so dominant in the under 40 room Hotel business

Family helping family and relatives and pooling resources and intra-community lending. They wield significant clout in the franchise hotel business as probably close to 80% of them are owned by Indians.

Seems like the kind of business that lends itself to creative bookkeeping

41   MMR   2016 Oct 11, 5:04pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

ThreeBays says

Pretty sure the party against social safety nets

this old shibboleth: the only reason most democratic voting (limousine liberals) vote in favor of it is: to keep the coloreds on their side of tracks while maintaining appearance of doing something. Got mine fuck you on steroids, if you will. So called 'safety nets' are really just code for de facto segregation.

Why the hell are they called 'safety nets' anyway? Is it making someone able to provide for themselves? Is it making them safer?....

Republicans are assholes, but I'd say they're more honest about it, insofar as the issue of safety nets is concerned.

42   jvolstad   2016 Oct 11, 5:25pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mental illness?

43   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Oct 11, 7:12pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

zzyzzx is deplorable says

It's because liberals, jews in particular, go to journalism school.

True. There's another component to this. Zuckerfuck, Sandberg, etc. have one thing more than just Bagels in common. They were born into the upper middle class/professional class. Grew up in ritzy housing, their parents portfolios and real estate holdings mushroomed in the 80s-90s when they were growing up, they like Indian and Thai food, Sushi everywhere (What they imagine with "Culture" and "Diversity"), to them "All Things Just Keep Gettin' Better". Only disgusting deliberately ignorant nasty people could be against liberalizing trade and deregulation and globalization.

You grow up in a high end North Egg environment, you've experienced the huge gains for the 1% but not the big smack down of the bottom 20% or stagnating wages (with rising "iron" - must haves - college & health costs) of the middle 40%. So to them everything is oakily-doakily. But when you live in the ever-more-Gentrified City Center, or the well maintained Greenbelt places like Greenwich, CT, you don't notice bad infrastructure. They also know few if anybody, except maybe some former JAG who was deep in the rear with the gear and became a corporate lawyer, in the military. They are insulated from the bad and see only the good.

They may "see" numbers on a chart, but it has no meaning for them when compared to this existential experience of ever increasing wealth, because they are from the top 10/1% and are in the top 10-1%.

44   zzyzzx   2016 Oct 12, 3:02pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

45   marcus   2016 Oct 12, 10:33pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Great. Very impressive ZZYZZX. YOu must be proud of yourself.

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