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How can anyone trust the mainstream press anymore?

By someone else   2016 Nov 2, 2:47am 4340 views   58 comments   watch   quote      

So when Comey stops investigating Hillary, then he's just "doing his job" but when he takes up the investigation again, then he's "damaging our democracy".

WTF?

Can't they at least pretend to be somewhat objective about Hillary, and not so blatantly partisan in her favor?

The Washington Press itself is clearly damaging our democracy, and our faith in the press.

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19 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 6:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

You obviously don't understand email header metadata.
That information is not in the body text of the email.
Most of it is hidden from view of the reader unless you dig deep.
The metadata probably shows Huma sending email, on her account on the laptop, over the laptop, to the clinton server.
That is solid evidence Huma knew the laptop contained email correspondence between the clinton server and the weiner laptop.

Tampajoe says

Not unless you can prove that Huma or Hillary knew those emails were on Weiner's computer. Which Comey certainly could not do.

20 Tampajoe   2016 Nov 2, 6:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

"You obviously don't understand email header metadata.
That information is not in the body text of the email.
Most of it is hidden from view of the reader unless you dig deep.
The metadata probably shows Huma sending email, on her account on the laptop, over the laptop, to the clinton server.
That is solid evidence Huma knew the laptop contained email correspondence between the clinton server and the weiner laptop."

Thanks for the lesson. Please tell me what else I don't understand. So, it's impossible that Weiner either knew or guessed her password and looked at emails? Is there any evidence that emails were sent from that computer? Or were they just viewed?

21 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 6:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Just how email metadata is stored in an email message file on a computer.

Tampajoe says

Please tell me what else I don't understand.

22 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 6:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Irrelevant to our discussion.

Tampajoe says

So, it's impossible that Weiner either knew or guessed her password and looked at emails?

23 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 6:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Yes, there is evidence that emails were sent/received from weiners laptop to the clinton server.
It is contained in the individual email metadata files.
It is what Comey presented to the Justice department to get a warrant to read the email body text.
That is why the democrat led justice department had to consent to issuing a warrant for the FBI to read the email body text, against the democrats best interest.

Tampajoe says

Is there any evidence that emails were sent from that computer? Or were they just viewed?

24 Tampajoe   2016 Nov 2, 7:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

"Yes, there is evidence that emails were sent/received from weiners laptop to the clinton server."

link? I've seen nothing that says they were sent from Weiner's computer.

25 Blurtman   2016 Nov 2, 7:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Put Donna Brazille in charge of the investigation.

26 PCGyver   2016 Nov 2, 7:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

Tampajoe says

When the FBI's policy is to not comment on ongoing investigations

If Hillary would have followed policy we wouldn't be talking about this at all.

27 PCGyver   2016 Nov 2, 7:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Tampajoe says

I've seen nothing that says they were sent from Weiner's computer.

Really doesn't matter if they were sent.

28 PCGyver   2016 Nov 2, 7:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Tampajoe says

And that didn't happen. Some POTENTIAL evidence presented itself. No real evidence. He hadn't read any emails at that point because he didn't have a warrant. He wouldn't have been withholding anything because he didn't have anything.

Symantecs

29 PCGyver   2016 Nov 2, 8:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

I grope u says

politicians can't help themselves from lying.

FIFY

30 YesYNot   2016 Nov 2, 8:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

If Comey made a mistake, it seems to me it was in promising to notify Congress that he would notify them if he reopened the case. That was a promise that he couldn't necessarily keep without breaking tradition or possibly the law.

I read this morning that they have not found anything new as of yet. To me that means that they are highly unlikely to find anything new. They could easily do a search for all emails either to or from Hillary's address. Then compared the text of those emails against her server. That would immediately give them a list of new emails to sort through. They might then search for emails with specific key words to either target the new HRC emails or to find pertinent info in non-HRC emails. They might then go through emails manually to see if there is information that they couldn't pick up through targeted searches. But, they would be highly unlikely to find information manually that they couldn't find through searches.

I understand that they said it might take weeks to do an exhaustive search. But 95% of the work is done very quickly. It's the last 5% that takes weeks.

31 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/us/politics/justice-department-warrant-clinton-abedin-fbi.html?_r=0

Justice department would not have issued warrant for fbi to search weiners laptop without incriminating email metadata.

Tampajoe says

"Yes, there is evidence that emails were sent/received from weiners laptop to the clinton server."

link? I've seen nothing that says they were sent from Weiner's computer.

32 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 8:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Not sure if it's a mistake, but that certainly is the crux of the matter. He promised congress. He delivered on his promise.
If the timing of the leak is so bad, why not pursue the senators that leaked it? Condemn the guilty!!

YesYNot says

If Comey made a mistake, it seems to me it was in promising to notify Congress that he would notify them if he reopened the case. That was a promise that he couldn't necessarily keep without breaking tradition or possibly the law.

34 Tampajoe   2016 Nov 2, 8:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

"Justice department would not have issued warrant for fbi to search weiners laptop without incriminating email metadata."

So, that's a no. And you've basically just proven my point. The only way for him to get the warrant was to leak it so that the press and public demanded to know what was in the emails. Thank you.

35 turtledove   2016 Nov 2, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

But 95% of the work is done very quickly
=================

That assumes that they operate with the same skill level and tools you are used to seeing in SV. For all you know the people working this are on old computers and outdated software. It is the government. Budgets don't always permit the best of the best of everything. I don't know either... I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they are on equipment and software from ought 1.

36 YesYNot   2016 Nov 2, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Ranina ranina says

why not pursue the senators that leaked it?

Couple of reasons:
1. Hatch act applies to executive branch, not legislative branch.
2. Justice department has policy of not getting involved in political elections. Not congress.
3. Congressmen Chaffetz is from a heavily R district, and only will face a challenge in primaries.

That said, he has had an ethics complaint filed against him: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/31/ethics-complaint-filed-rep-jason-chaffez-releasing-comey-clinton-email-letter.html

37 HEY YOU   2016 Nov 2, 9:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Need another list...of ASSHOLES that have been believing the Main Slime Media for the last few decades
or since the invention of the printing press.

About 50 years ago an old construction worker told me that the press was not about the news/facts,
they are about selling advertising space.
Today's saying may apply: "Follow the money."

Well surely the R/D politically biased FBI has never closed a case where someone was guilty.

38 YesYNot   2016 Nov 2, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

turtledove says

That assumes that they operate with the same skill level and tools you are used to seeing in SV.

I'd say it assumes that they aren't completely incompetent. I code a little as needed to get my job done, but I'm far from a legitimate programmer. That said, I'm pretty sure that I could accomplish the task pretty quickly using any old windows or linux computer. They could just use Weiner's computer if the FBI's are from 1981 or something. Maybe the spend all of their budget on sunglasses :). They surely have already written some scripts to organize the emails that they have, so they are not starting form zero.

39 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 9:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.
You know this.

Tampajoe says

So, that's a no. And you've basically just proven my point. The only way for him to get the warrant was to leak it so that the press and public demanded to know what was in the emails. Thank you.

40 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Nonetheless, the senators who leaked it have instigated the issue.
Pursue them from a moral standpoint. They are the guilty ones...

YesYNot says

Ranina ranina says

why not pursue the senators that leaked it?

Couple of reasons:

1. Hatch act applies to executive branch, not legislative branch.

2. Justice department has policy of not getting involved in political elections. Not congress.

41 Tampajoe   2016 Nov 2, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

"Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.
You know this."

He leaked it to press via a friendly Senator.

42 YesYNot   2016 Nov 2, 9:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Ranina ranina says

Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.

You know this.

By that logic, why blame Chaffetz? Why not blame the press and twitter? After all, the press and twitter are the ones who published it to the world.

If organization A has a rule against releasing information to the world, and they give it to party B so that B can release it, that's not really the same as keeping it secret. It's kind of like the hacked emails. Russia has a public policy of not hacking other country's organization and then releasing the info to the world. So, they give the data to Wikileaks, so that Wikileaks can publish them to the world. If we know that Russia did the hacking and passed it to Wikileaks, do we give Russia a pass, and just blame Wikileaks?

43 TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Nov 2, 9:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

Comey announced to a Committee that has been riding his ass for months, in front of whom he testified for hours multiple times this years, of a new development in the case.

Obama supported his integrity after he did so. Lynch gave him the go-ahead to examine the emails.

All else is sour grapes. If Hillary didn't want this, she could have used the State Department email as policy required. You cannot store classified info on an unauthorized server, and you certainly can't have Aides forwarding sensitive State emails to their Yahoo! accounts.

This is 100% her own doing.

But just like a Hillary, she's going to attack those investigating her and blame vast right wing conspiracies, Putin, etc.

44 Blurtman   2016 Nov 2, 10:14am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote      

Patrick says

How can anyone trust the mainstream press anymore?

You can't. Every time you see a story reported you have to ask yourself who paid for it, and what favors were exchanged for reporting it as it was reported.

The MSM is up for sale. Political parties and others with money and power can have the US media message Americans for their own purposes. It is undeniable thanks to Wikileaks.

It's 1984, but it's the political parties and the related wealthy and powerful who control the media, and not an oppressive government.

45 Ceffer   2016 Nov 2, 10:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

American Media: where the shadow government goes to pay to cornhole the nation!

46 jazz_music   2016 Nov 2, 10:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

YOU CAN ALWAYS TRUST SALESMEN TO BE SELLING

Eh?

100 years ago Hearst attracted readers by adding heated reporting of sports, crime, sex, scandal, and human-interest stories. "A Hearst newspaper is like a screaming woman running down the street with her throat cut," said Hearst writer Arthur James Pegler. Hearst's slam-bang showmanship attracted new readers and nonreaders.

Dignity and integrity has not been any major trend since then anywhere I can see except for our young people who get manipulated into fighting for our sorry asses. --honor their sacrifices and make us more worthy

47 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 2:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Well if you want to make that leap of logic then you need to blame the press for publishing it to the world.
Everybody in the chain is guilty by these standards...

Tampajoe says

"Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.

You know this."

He leaked it to press via a friendly Senator.

48 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 2:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

Agreed.
Comey and Chaffetz are now absolved, and the MSM should be punished for this act.

YesYNot says

why blame Chaffetz? Why not blame the press and twitter? After all, the press and twitter are the ones who published it to the world.

49 Tampajoe   2016 Nov 2, 2:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

"Well if you want to make that leap of logic then you need to blame the press for publishing it to the world.
Everybody in the chain is guilty by these standards"

Nope. Only one of them had a policy not to release details of ongoing investigations. For precisely this reason.

50 YesYNot   2016 Nov 2, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Ranina ranina says

Comey and Chaffetz are now absolved, and the MSM should be punished for this act.

Might as well absolve the media. They just published the news. Blame the idiots that believed it. As the OP says: How can anyone trust the press these days?

51 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 4:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

FIFY.
Always go to the source of the problem. Everything else is just collateral damage...

Tampajoe says

Nope. Only one of them had a policy not to release details of ongoing investigations put government emails on personal servers.

52 Dan8267   2016 Nov 2, 6:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says

How can anyone trust the mainstream press anymore?

Depends on what you call the mainstream press. I have a high degree of confidence in PBS and NPR, not so much other news agencies.

53 zzyzzx   2016 Nov 2, 6:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

Dan8267 says

I have a high degree of confidence in PBS and NPR

The same people who put a known Obama supporter to moderate a presidential debate? PBS has an extreme liberal bias.

54 Dan8267   2016 Nov 2, 8:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote      

zzyzzx is deplorable says

PBS has an extreme liberal bias.

Reality has an extreme liberal bias.

55 freespeechforever   2016 Nov 2, 8:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

Media in the U.S. (and much of Europe & Asia) is LITERALLY controlled by 22 corporations (6 own every cable channel, radio channel, network, paper, etc. in the U.S.).

We no longer have anything resembling a 5th Estate or free press; we have a media that dishes out the narrative on any given subject that the corporate-WallStreet/Banking-military-pharma-et al complex wants the narrative to be.

The preordained narrative shapes public opinion, which has no impact on legislation or policy anyways (that was preordained from the start as the policy makers, legislators and regulators are all captured).

56 jazz_music   2016 Nov 2, 8:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

freespeechforever says

6 own every cable channel, radio channel, network, paper, etc. in the U.S

There is the manipulative advantage of decrying liberalism. This is yet another example of gaslighting the opposition.

REALITY: there is nothing liberal about ANY monopoly EVER. That's why we talk about there being this bubble of unreality. It's inhabitants seem to be the majority of our fellows too. --the mainstream that doesn't particularly question the media.

When MSM, centralized media, control all the publications there is, then MSM has the newfound freedom to injure the opposition brutally while screaming to high heavens that the bastards abused the monopoly brutally. By the time the opposition get their little forum heard everybody already "knows," been hearing for a long time from all sides, these opponents are the bastards that abused you brutally. That is a meme. Memes are repeated on the commute via bully-talk radio, on social media, on TV with bright, clean, gleaming graphics, traffic, weather, and buxom blondes. --then comes the authoritarian spot, that's the main course. BOOM the same talking points from the commute hit you again.

When you get people's anger you can bypass their rational thinking using outrage. Some soon to be ex-wives are generally good at that. Fear too, if they can stimulate your fight-or-flight response with fears they can get you following the wolf-pack instinctively out of self-preservation so they don't turn on you too.

All media questions are rhetorical ones.--take the answers or suffer consequences you retard!

Hitler's regime published these EXACT SAME propaganda techniques, they are widely read, and well practiced by our own CIA performing regime destabilization all over the world since the 1960's using PSYOPS to achieve COINTELPRO objectives. Now thanks to Roger Ailes and a newly deregulated media around 1987 we get Limbaugh and then Fox News, the propaganda wing of the GOP on the extreme end of the spectrum 24/7 nationwide creating a nation of trickle-down fans while all productivity gains are transferred to the 1% anarcho-capitalists who are running the whole show for about 30 years until the middle class gets hollowed out with little or no access to steady work, education, heathcare, retirement, justice, constant wars, swelling prison industries, bloated enforcement (they know they can't fool you forever so they got lots of enforcement at the ready) and got us all blaming the poor the whole time too.

You can't speak out against the wars since about 1999 because everyone's family is over there and it FEELZ like you are speaking out against their heroic family member. All you get is these bizarre strawman attacks hurled at you, you lib-tard, when you criticize anything in lieu of any rational arguments from all these media-disciple flag waving conservatives. Oh yeah and mainstream are trained to somehow associate flag waving, unquestioning, silent obedience with PATRIOTISM! --LOL

57 BlueSardine   2016 Nov 2, 9:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

4 hour time limit is up with no response.
I win by default.
Where do I collect my prize?

Ranina ranina says

FIFY.

Always go to the source of the problem. Everything else is just collateral damage...

Tampajoe says

Nope. Only one of them had a policy not to release details of ongoing investigations put government emails on personal servers.

58 Dan8267   2016 Nov 29, 6:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote      

A relevant little gem...

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