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An important electoral graph

By Dan8267   2016 Nov 10, 8:27am   5 links   2,993 views   24 comments   watch (1)   quote      

It paints a compelling picture of a lesson that must be learned. The middle class, having been squeezed for thirty years, is rebelling. The Democratic Party needs to embrace the platform of the Green Party, Warren's reforms, and socialism if it is to win next election cycle.

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1   Entitlemented   2016 Nov 10, 8:34am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Sir,

You have helped to explain some of the propaganda. Did you draw the arrows yourself, or is it algorithmically derived from rho(D) and rho(R)?

2   Dan8267   2016 Nov 10, 8:40am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Propaganda is, by definition, misleading and deceptive. This is not propaganda.

My comments are in green as is my drawing on the map. The rest comes from the source that you can click on.

The color of the arrows indicate the direction of the move, towards republican or democrat. The angle of the arrows indicate the percentage of the population that switched. The more horizontal the angle, the greater the portion of people switching sides. The length of the arrows indicate the size of the overall population. The total area of the arrows, therefore, is determined by how many people switched, and this affects the overall color of the map.

The map was generated by The New York Times and is based on the publicly available election results.

3   HEY YOU   2016 Nov 10, 9:47am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

All the red arrows will have good paying manufacturing jobs immediately after the swearing in ceremony.
So many wingnutz are going to be disappointed.

4   smaulgld   2016 Nov 10, 10:44am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Agree Democratic party must embrace ideals not corrupt candidates and must allow for an open primary process

5   iwog   2016 Nov 10, 1:22pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

The middle class, having been squeezed for thirty years, is rebelling.

The middle class just took a giant drink of kool aid laced with cyanide.

Their rebellion is a total surrender to the Republican party agenda. Watch and learn.

6   jazz_music   2016 Nov 10, 1:31pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Their rebellion is a total surrender to the Republican party agenda. Watch and learn.

That and a celebration of having their buttons constantly pushed to outrage by radio etc every day plus a huuuuge victory over the demon poor people (read: black and brown) who have been continually thrown in their faces as slackers to account for the big drain on ever-harder working paycheck lives.

7   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Nov 10, 1:32pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

The middle class just took a giant drink of kool aid laced with cyanide.

Their rebellion is a total surrender to the Republican party agenda. Watch and learn.

They voted against the Feminazi party who presented them as disgusting painkiller addicted rednecks who deserve death and dislocation because Columbus and Manspreading and they aren't Hedge Fund Executives, or the social justice college student trust fund babies of them.

8   jazz_music   2016 Nov 10, 1:35pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Thunderlips Licks Shill Tears says

Feminazi party who presented them as disgusting painkiller addicted rednecks

in english means what?

9   Dan8267   2016 Nov 10, 1:38pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Dan8267 says

The middle class, having been squeezed for thirty years, is rebelling.

The middle class just took a giant drink of kool aid laced with cyanide.

Their rebellion is a total surrender to the Republican party agenda. Watch and learn.

I'm not saying that the middle class would be right in thinking that Trump will solve any problems. I'm saying the middle class is so pissed off most of them don't even care anymore. They rather see the plantation burned to the ground than continue being slaves. You need to learn how angry the middle class (left, right, and center) are with the establishment. The fear of Trump was outweighed by the rage against both the Republican and Democrat establishments. That's the most important lesson to learn from this election.

This election was a vote of no confidence in the government. It does not matter if things get worse in the short run, the only solution to the problems created by the sixth party system is to tear down that system and build a seventh party system that actually does address the problems the middle class is having. And like it or not, Hillary winning the election would have been even worse for that transition.

10   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Nov 10, 1:39pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yes, the Elites would have chortled, knowing they can not address key issues and continue business as usual for their paleocapitalist/neoliberal globalization.

11   iwog   2016 Nov 10, 1:39pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Thunderlips Licks Shill Tears says

They voted against the Feminazi party who presented them as disgusting painkiller addicted rednecks who deserve death and dislocation because Columbus and Manspreading and they aren't Hedge Fund Executives, or the social justice college student trust fund babies of them.

Oh I understand completely why Trump won. It's ego combined with defiance against bigoted SJWs. It's a backlash against their toxic ideas and rhetoric. The part where SJWs are punished and miserable is the side of this election that I quite enjoy.

However you elected the wrong guy. What if Paul Ryan gets his budget now? Social Security is gone. Medicare is gone. Tax cuts for billionaires will be extreme. The national debt will skyrocket. The new military spending will be saturated with insider Halliburton-style corrupt deals. Also what good is a "rebuilt" military without a war?

If Trump follows through and Roe v. Wade is toast, then what? You've given feminists an ACTUAL cause to fight for. One that's defensible. One that will swell their ranks again and give them power.

Nothing good will come out of this national temper tantrum.

12   Dan8267   2016 Nov 10, 1:49pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

It's ego combined with defiance against bigoted SJWs.

It's more than that. And regardless of your political agenda, it's in your best interest to understand why people voted Trump. Yes, some are bigoted whites upset that they are no longer a majority and don't have privileges over minorities. But there are a lot of people who don't give two shits about race, religion, SJWs, or corporate interests who voted Trump. You are ignoring their motivations and that's a path to powerlessness and defeat.

This is not a temper tantrum. It's people saying...

Understand that or fail to advance your causes. People have finally gotten truly mad as hell. The scene above is exactly what has just happened. You can figure out the solutions later, but first you have to get mad and shout it out.

Trump isn't the solution, but it was the only way to topple the system so that we can implement the solution. That's what we need to discuss next. Where do we go from here.

13   Peter P   2016 Nov 10, 2:09pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

There is a good chance the Democrat party may fragment into two parties. One caters to the holier-than-thou elites, and the other to Marxists.

14   Dan8267   2016 Nov 10, 2:12pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Peter P says

There is a good chance the Democrat party may fragment into two parties. One caters to the holier-than-thou elites, and the other to Marxists.

Not while the Republican Party is around. Everyone is united in their fear of the right wing.

When the Republican Party fades away in the seventh party system, the Democrats will then fracture forming an eighth party system. This will take at the very least 25 years and may take more than 50.

15   Peter P   2016 Nov 10, 2:21pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Not while the Republican Party is around. Everyone is united in their fear of the right wing.

We we see. Alliances are frequently more fragile than they look.

But if Trump screws up, this whole thing may swing the other way.

16   jazz_music   2016 Nov 10, 2:25pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

People have finally gotten truly mad as hell.

GREAT if have they gotten mad at the right things, the ones you listed,

... but if they have gotten mad at the powerless at the bottom, who they are told are showered with gifts of Obama-phones food stamps and affirmative action job preferences, and if they erect straw-man liberals to crucify as ordered, THEY WILL STILL BE CELEBRATING THEIR VICTORIES during the rapid repeals of Obamacare, Medicare rollback, net neutrality, the Clean Air Act, Dodd-Frank financial regulations, the so-called "Waters of the United States" rule, and as congress GLEEFULLY passes the Keystone pipeline thereby cementing their support from Koch brothers.

There is the expressed feeling that this is now the Bush era's return amongst the Republicans in DC and that they can undo everything Obama did in short order.

17   FP   2016 Nov 10, 2:44pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Their rebellion is a total surrender to the Republican party agenda.

For 4 years. Otherwise it'd have been 12.

18   iwog   2016 Nov 10, 2:50pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FP says

For 4 years. Otherwise it'd have been 12.

Sadly you're going to find out different. Ryan wants a 0% tax rate for the rich. You'll continue to pay a lot more because.......well daddy needs a new airplane.

19   FP   2016 Nov 10, 3:14pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Sadly you're going to find out different.

Possible. I considered adding "if people wake up." At least there's decent chance this way.

20   FP   2016 Nov 10, 3:17pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Tax cuts is not what people want now. If the republicans foxes on tax cuts, they'll lose big time next elections.

21   TwoScoopsMcGee   2016 Nov 10, 3:24pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

However you elected the wrong guy. What if Paul Ryan gets his budget now? Social Security is gone. Medicare is gone. Tax cuts for billionaires will be extreme. The national debt will skyrocket. The new military spending will be saturated with insider Halliburton-style corrupt deals. Also what good is a "rebuilt" military without a war?

The national debt already skyrocketed, we haven't had a budget in years. We have a plane that's been in development for 15 years and is orders of magnitude over costs and it turns out it's neither stealthy, maneuverable, or inexpensive to operate that will end up at a Trillion Dollars. Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer love it, MIC is their home constituency. Hillary was going to shoot down a Russian plane over a sovereign state that is fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda.

The real tragedy of the national debt is we spent trillions but it seems very little of it trickled down.

She was a Centrist, she started railing against Free Shit in an attempt to triangulate, Bernie's numbers then soared, then she became a magical Progressive.

Hillary has always been Center-Right. She is indistinguishable from Lindsay Graham or John McCain on most issues.

We saw her as Senator, she voted for Iraq War, Patriot Act, Bankruptcy "Reform", and the Bankster Bailout without Reregulation, and much more. As Secretary of State she was reckless and bellicose, when not stumping for TPP dozens of times. Had she one the horrible Victoria Nuland would probably be promoted to Secretary of State or Assistant Secretary of State.

The "Superdelegates" put up a very flawed, untested Insider-preferred candidate with Strong Ties to Wall Street. Winning the senate in a Deep Blue State as a former First Lady with a huge warchest in the very capital of her core Wall Street/Financial Constituency, was no indicator of national appeal. She lost the 2008 Nomination to Obama.

The Swing Voters correctly administered a solid beating to such an unacceptable Establishment friendly candidate, who raised multiples of her opponent from Wall Street, Hollywood IP Trolls, Silcon Valley, and other 1%er interests, in a change election

22   iwog   2016 Nov 10, 3:54pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Thunderlips Licks Shill Tears says

The national debt already skyrocketed

No it hasn't, not compared to what's coming. After 2009, Obama spent nearly nothing. He wasn't allowed any new programs or spending. Obama's administration will go down as the most fiscally conservative one since (LOLz) Jimmy Carter. (no sarcasm here)

I have to hand it to the right. Their ability to convince people that black is white is an unmatched skill.

23   Dan8267   2016 Nov 10, 4:18pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music votes early says

Dan8267 says

People have finally gotten truly mad as hell.

GREAT if have they gotten mad at the right things, the ones you listed,

... but if they have gotten mad at the powerless at the bottom, who they are told are showered with gifts of Obama-phones

There will, of course, be white people who are upset that they are no longer the top dog. Those people would have voted Republican no matter what. The only way to fight them is to keep the godless Republican establishment out of the Democratic Party and let the Tea Party folk dwindle and die.

But we'll fail to do that if we ignore all the independents who voted trump just so that Hillary would lose and all the disenfranchised Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein supporters who stayed home. It's time to heal and unite the people under a new Democratic platform. I'll write up a rant on this when I have the time.

24   Dan8267   May 29, 12:36pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

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