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March to the destruction of earth update: South pole not recovering

By iwog   May 27, 11:52am   19 links   776 views   15 comments   watch (0)   quote      

Denialists and even moderate global warming advocates have been hanging their hat on the idea that this year's stunning ice retreat at the South Pole was an anomaly and therefore we would return to a more normal pattern after ocean currents corrected the situation.

That hasn't happened.

It appears the ice pack at the South Pole is continuing to follow record lows never seen before and the ice sheet is over 1.5 million square kilometers smaller than the 2000s average. (yes you heard that right, the 2000s average) Something is very broken in the Southern hemisphere and it continues to get worse. Meanwhile all this additional open ocean continues to collect heat from the sun which will eventually find its way to the Northern hemisphere where temperature records will continue to get broken.

Here's a graph showing a normal anomalous low. This one is from 1997 and is turquoise in color. Notice how quickly it reverted back to the norm. Not this time. BTW the jagged blue line is a broken satellite and not real data.

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1   Dan8267   3631/3679 = 98% civil   May 27, 4:48pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Denialists are scumbags who don't care about the truth or the people affected by these dangers. They are greedy, despicable people who deserve no respect and no say in policy. They cannot be convinced. The don't even believe their own lies. They simply are spreading FUD to prevent actions from being implemented that would curtail the lawlessness of their tribe in polluting and vandalizing public property.

2   HEY YOU   1055/1055 = 100% civil   May 27, 5:09pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog,
If I deny it,it's not true! But then,I'm stupid.
Hope is another four letter word.

I've been following AGW/Climate Change for years.Read everything I could find,too much info.
If the science,& me agreeing, is wrong,it's not the end of the world.
If the science is correct,it could be the end of man.
GAIA will probably say: Got rid of the ASSHOLES!
Exciting times ahead?

Dan8267 says

.." scumbags who don't care about the truth or the people affected by these dangers. They are greedy, despicable people who deserve no respect.." They cannot be convinced. The don't even believe their own lies.

Perfect description of patnetters. roflmao

3   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   Jun 20, 5:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Thin ice: Vanishing ice only exacerbates a bad, climate change-fueled situation Most people view our planet’s vanishing ice as a symptom of climate change. And if they pay a bit more attention, some people might even be aware of some of its effects, including sea level rise and the opening up of the Arctic to shipping. But ice is also an active player in the Earth's climate—it doesn’t only respond to warming by melting. Changes in our planet’s ice are capable of feeding back on the climate system, creating further consequences for the globe.

The regions of our planet where temperatures fall below the freezing point are characterized by ice and snow, lots of ice and snow. Across land masses, seas, and oceans, roughly 70 percent of the fresh water exists as ice. But now, in response to the warming of our planet, that entire system is changing.

This part of the Earth, where water exists in its frozen state, is called the cryosphere. On land, this includes the giant ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica, the ice in mountain glaciers, snow on mountain tops, and frozen soil in boreal and tundra regions of the Northern Hemisphere—including large parts of Canada and Russia. The system is dynamic. In the world's polar regions, sea ice grows in winter and recedes in summer. On land there are also frozen rivers and lakes, which can also experience seasonal variation. The cryosphere is the global story of ice, and it’s a highly active and important component in our Earth's climate system.

But, again, the behavior of the cryosphere is changing. That is primarily because ice responds to rising temperatures, melting with increasing heat. For example, shelf ice, which floats on the oceans near ice sheets, can weaken in response to the warming water below, causing destabilization and collapse. In the Arctic, sea ice is vanishing in the summers, changing the way in which the ocean absorbs sunlight. Across the continents, mountain glaciers and the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica are melting. Cryosphere changes like these are having profound impacts on our planet.

Much More: Easy Read, Technical but in Layman's Terms. Comments section is worth a read as well, mostly intelligent comments.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/thin-ice-vanishing-ice-only-exacerbates-a-bad-climate-change-fueled-situation/

4   lostand confused   513/513 = 100% civil   Jun 20, 6:04am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The Paris accord would have stopped all this and taken us back to normal?

5   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   Jun 20, 6:23am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

L&C - I think this is beyond politics at this point and no, I highly doubt it but it couldn't have hurt. This has been decades in the making. Aside from this issue one of the largest problems we have between the U.S. and Canada is being marginalized and getting virtually no attention from anyone outside the local area.

That would be the on going slow environmental havoc raging on the Great Lakes. The St. Lawrence seaway has unleashed more unintended consequences than anyone could have imagined especially invasive species which are presenting a never ending sequence of events that are proving almost impossible to arrest let alone undo.

Combine with that with the existing legacy pollution and lingering effects from the Industries around the Great Lakes Basin, poorly maintained pipelines in and under the lakes and tributaries - we are basically one aw shit away from ruining the drinking water supply for millions of people for a very very long time but what the hell - it's in fly over country and these things are so big they can heal themselves - right ?

If nothing else, the Paris Accords got people together, talking and attempting to address the problems. When you look around at the various problems with the environment around the globe and in this country, all of this is decades old but you can't ignore the stuff for ever either.

Like everything else however this is turning into a political football and you have to follow the money trail to see who back what and for what reasons. This thread I started the other day covering big oils influence in school concerning climate etc., has since been picked up by more news outlets and retagged with how big oil is teaching climate change denial in schools is finally getting some greater attention.

https://patrick.net/1307306/2017-06-16-oil-s-pipeline-to-americas-schools-inside-the-fossil-fuel-industry-s-not-so-subtle-push-into-k-12-education

It's not all about Trump and his administration on every thread and hopefully someone will come along to undo whatever this administration does to cater to the overall greed that runs amuck in this country destroying everything in it's path in one way or another.

6   lostand confused   513/513 = 100% civil   Jun 20, 6:33am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

L&C - I think this is beyond politics at this point and no, I

What I am trying to say, is these hyped up things are what is hurting the cause. if you are throwing away trillions , while our competitors give up nothing-for a negligible outcome-then it does not help.
Calling your opponents sub-human is not going to attract them to your cause.

7   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   Jun 20, 6:49am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

L&C - There is a certain amount of "hype" but what doesn't have some "hype" attached to it to get the public's attention. At some point you can continue to sit back and play we did, you didn't therefore we won't either.

Aside from whatever is being said to each other in these threads I hope people are following along at the court proceeding in South America etc. where big oil is litigating their opponents to death and getting away with wholesale environmental genocide (if that term fits) and it's not just there and it's not just us.

Sooner rather than later we are all going to pay very dearly for our careless and reckless treatment and custodianship of the planet and it's resources.

All this destruction and it's after effects in a vain attempt to get rich in life for what is less than a mili-second of life in the big scheme of time and not recognizing or caring about the overall fragility of both life and the place we all live.

8   Ceffer   865/865 = 100% civil   Jun 20, 7:37am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

KILL THE DENIERS! KILL THEM ALL!

9   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 21, 2:19am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The South is back to record lows and diverging again. The ice pack is now 1 million km2 smaller than last year.

For those who are still in denial, I'd LOVE to hear your explanation for simultaneous records in both the North and the South.

10   Dan8267   3631/3679 = 98% civil   Jun 21, 8:44am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

For those who are still in denial, I'd LOVE to hear your explanation for simultaneous records in both the North and the South.

It's all the libtard's fault. The north and south poles are socialist! Think about it. Where does Santa Clause run his socialist utopia? The north pole! And then he gives out toys to all children regardless of how much money they make. Damn communists!

And don't get me started on how gay the south pole is. Have you seen those effeminate birds called penguins? The south pole is melting because of god's wraith over the gay penguins agenda. It's Adam and Even, not Adam and -- oh, a fish, must catch.

11   WookieMan   33/33 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 9:13am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quick question. If the whole world reduces CO2 output to say 10% of current levels tomorrow and going forward. So a 90% global reduction in CO2 output and it never increases moving forward, even with an increasing population. Does that even stop this? Are we just delaying the inevitable?

I'm not a denier FYI. I'm sking a serious question.

12   PaisleyPattern   22/22 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 9:39am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

More typical liberal hipocracy. So called liberal Democrats like IWOG pushing the latest anti-Trump talking point, that has been all over the liberal media in the last few days. Global warming/ climate change, is the result of increased consumption of resources by the wealthy top few percent of the worlds population. This segment of the population consumes orders of magnitude more resources than the rest of the worlds population, such as food, travel on airplanes, travel in cars, large houses, use of electricity etcetera, all behaviors which use more fossil fuel, both directly and indirectly in their production. Yes, China is outproducing carbon containing waste currently and that is because they are trying to keep up with the consumer society lifestyle which is perpetuated in the west, every one with a car, everyone flying around on jet planes, everyone with massive houses, every one consuming large amounts of meat and processed foods.

Any liberal Democrat who is so concerned about climate change yet owns multiple houses and travels around the planet on jet planes has no right to point the finger at anyone else's complicity in the effects of global warming on the worlds climate. If they are really concerned about global warming, then they should minimize their own personal consumption of resources, and not by driving a $45,000 Prius which uses plenty of fossil fuel's in its manufacture.if you are really so concerned about global warming, then live your life at a Third World level with no private cars, no jet travel, and no accumulation of property and hoarding of resources. Starting to think that IWOG is a democratic party operative shill.

13   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 21, 10:30am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

WookieMan says

Quick question. If the whole world reduces CO2 output to say 10% of current levels tomorrow and going forward. So a 90% global reduction in CO2 output and it never increases moving forward, even with an increasing population. Does that even stop this? Are we just delaying the inevitable?

I'm not a denier FYI. I'm sking a serious question.

I don't think there's any way to fix this. We have the ability but not the collective will. On a species level, self-interest is going to trump collective interest and we'll cook the planet as a result.

14   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   1:14pm today  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Antarctica's Larsen C ice shelf: new rift detected.

Where a trillion-ton iceberg calved last week, researchers have detected a new rift. The concern is that the Larsen C ice shelf will destabilize and collapse, releasing glacial ice into the sea.

Researchers at Project MIDAS, which has been monitoring the ice shelf and first detected the iceberg's calving, say the new rift appears to be extending northward.

They point out that although this new rift will probably turn toward the shelf edge, creating a small iceberg, there is a risk it will continue toward the Bawden Ice Rise, a point that is crucial to keeping the shelf stable.

"We see a new short feature of around 6 kilometers [3.7 miles] heading north from the complex region of cracks that formed just before the iceberg broke away," said Adrian Luckman, a professor of glaciology at Swansea University, who is leading the research at MIDAS.

Luckman says that researchers will continue to monitor the new rift, and that there is "no cause for concern" just yet.

At present, its tip is "stuck" in a suture zone - that is, a region of softer ice - Luckman said, and is not likely to spread for some time to come.

More: http://www.dw.com/en/antarcticas-larsen-c-ice-shelf-new-rift-detected/a-39772923

15   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   4:48pm today  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

I don't think there's any way to fix this. We have the ability but not the collective will. On a species level, self-interest is going to trump collective interest and we'll cook the planet as a result.

Fermi Paradox in action: "It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy itself."

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