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Was the Passage of Obamacare Just as Secretive as GOP Efforts to Repeal It?

By iwog   Jun 21, 6:55pm   1 link   436 views   10 comments   watch (0)   quote      

Very well reasoned analysis with plenty of specific examples. I guarantee those valid arguments and specific examples will NEVER be addressed by anyone on the Republican side.

http://www.snopes.com/aca-versus-ahca/

"While both bills could be faulted for periods of closed-door negotiations, experts agree that the secrecy behind the GOP bill to repeal Obamacare is in a league of its own."

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1   jazz_music   876/877 = 99% civil   Jun 21, 8:40pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

This procedure in work for this particular Republican coup for health care strikes me as the representatives blatant expression of disinterest in the electorate who voted to entrust them.

Even today Trump announced that Democrats lose because they stand in the way of reducing taxes, as if anyone would ever see his announcement as something other than a boorish taunt and an offhanded attempt at propaganda.

Trump's moniker could be the emperor of offhandedness.

2   BlueSardine   833/850 = 98% civil   Jun 21, 9:21pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

0 for 4 and you coming back for more?

3   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 21, 9:54pm  ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BlueSardine says

0 for 4 and you coming back for more?

Reality isn't a game. Do you think the ordinary Germans cheering the concentration camps were saying "Fuck you Jew lovers!!!! 1000 to 0! You lose assholes!!!"

History has a nasty way of making fools out of people who keep score that way.

4   Bellingham Bill   119/119 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 10:04pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Democrats pissed off rich conservatives by raising their capital gains taxes to pay for poorer peoples' health insurance subsidies.

This could not be allowed to stand, it's the camel's nose of big-S "Robin Hood" Socialism.

I will say that it saddens me marginally to hear the attacks on AHCA being it cutting taxes on rich people, when in reality it's more of a return to the status quo ante, removing what was imposed in 2013 or whenever.

I hope the GOP passes the meanest bill they dare. Let the electorate feel -- 'good and hard' as the man said -- what the difference is between the center-right Dems and currently far-right GOP.

5   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 10:04pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Despite it being a favorite GOP talking point, it's a total lie. Obamacare didn't pass in a non-partisan way, but it was done in full daylight and exposure to the process.

There is only one reason the current ACHA bill hides in darkness now: it's going to be harmful to people and the GOP is ashamed of it. Trump called the last go 'round "mean". You think this is going to be any gentler? Absolutely not.

6   jazz_music   876/877 = 99% civil   Jun 21, 10:09pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

THE SECRECY IS

the representatives blatant expression of disinterest in the electorate

With the silent understanding that the necessary cover will come from the GOP media empire.

... to rescue the rich from paying more tax. (the holy grail)

7   curious2   1127/1127 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 10:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

those valid arguments and specific examples

"In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009."

Those specific examples should support a valid argument, beginning 10 days from now. In 10 days, it will become possible to match dates: Y/Y, Q/Q, 2009 vs 2001, same dates from each year.

The other examples of House hearings are inapposite because (a) the House hearings were merely theater, e.g. paid consultant Gruber testifying as a supposedly independent expert, and (b) the House ended up scrapping all the House bills and using "deem and pass" (aka "demon pass") to adopt the Senate bill. Then as now, the action occurred in the Senate, so valid arguments should follow the Senate calendar.

8   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 10:13pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

JazzMusic says

the representatives blatant expression of disinterest in the electorate

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

9   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 10:15pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

Irrelevant. The full text was made available for ACA. No such thing has happened for the 'Wealthcare' bill.

10   curious2   1127/1127 = 100% civil   Jun 21, 10:28pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

curious2 says

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

Irrelevant. The full text was made available for ACA. No such thing has happened for the 'Wealthcare' bill.

I did not write the words that you attributed to me. If you are going to try to quote me, try using the words I wrote. If you want to argue with yourself, leave me out of it.

Meanwhile, you still haven't answered any of my questions here and here.

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