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The White House claiming that everything in the press is fake news comes right out of Orwell

By iwog   Jun 28, 7:00am   1,120 views   63 comments   watch (0)   quote      

Ministry of Truth to be exact.

This is a key trait of a totalitarian regime. It's not a good thing, it's not Trump taking on a hostile press, and it's not because of fake news. The media may be biased but it's extremely necessary and Trump's efforts to discredit it are evil. Fundamentally evil in a way that will be very hard or impossible to repair once he's gone.

Those of you actively involved in supporting this atrocity are doing great damage to your country. People who are far smarter than you are have already written extensively about your future and mapped it out. Y'all should read it sometime.

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24   NuttBoxer   418/421 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:31am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Data point that proves my main assertion.

Ok, but why squawk about it now, and not 10 years ago, 20 years ago? Your false paradigm is what bugs me. All's forgiven if the lying and co-opting comes from your side. Where's you sense of morality?

25   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:35am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

NuttBoxer says

Ok, but why squawk about it now, and not 10 years ago, 20 years ago? Your false paradigm is what bugs me. All's forgiven if the lying and co-opting comes from your side. Where's you sense of morality?

1 mainstream press story out of 10,000 turns out to be fake and you've decided they lie.

Meanwhile 90% of what Trump says can be broken down and proven to be pure bullshit and you've decided he speaks the truth.

You're lost and you're taking everyone down with you.

26   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:41am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

NuttBoxer says

Ok, but why squawk about it now, and not 10 years ago, 20 years ago? Your false paradigm is what bugs me. All's forgiven if the lying and co-opting comes from your side. Where's you sense of morality?

1 mainstream press story out of 10,000 turns out to be fake and you've decided they lie.

Meanwhile 90% of what Trump says can be broken down and proven to be pure bullshit and you've decided he speaks the truth.

You're lost and you're taking everyone down with you.

Incorrect. CNN has dedicated 35% of their stories to coverage and lies about their manufactured "Russia-gate." Lots and lots of fake news there, and THAT is what Trump is vocally objecting to.

27   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Incorrect. CNN has dedicated 35% of their stories to coverage and lies about their manufactured "Russia-gate." Lots and lots of fake news there, and THAT is what Trump is vocally objecting to.

Example?

Tell me how Russian interference is fake news now that Donald Trump admits it happened?

Media 1, Trump 0, Trump lied: 1

Shall we keep a running count?

28   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Here's a genuine example of fake news:

NuttBoxer says

Headed for the Biggest Implosion in Market History

29   FortWayne   867/873 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:49am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Press has been lying, watch the video for yourself of CNN covering up stories to sell bullshit

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339769-cnn-war-with-trump-gets-personal

CNN is acting propaganda minion of the Democratic Party.

iwog says

FortWayne says

Press has been lying so Trump is right. This is truth, not Orwellian

The PRESS has been lying. Not Donald "Obama wiretaps me" Trump. The PRESS is the organization full of liars.

"So this is how democracy dies... with thunderous applause."

30   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:50am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Here's another example of demonstrably false fake news. Not the Washington Post but that Amazon doesn't pay taxes. But hey......you don't care because Trump is your ego.

Every damn day Trump lies AGAIN but you don't give a shit.

31   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:52am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

What do you people think? Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes like Trump says they should?? Huh???????? Maybe we should all debate REAL news like that right?????? Brilliant.

All conversations in the modern era are insane conversations.

32   Fucking White Male   478/480 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:56am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

33   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:57am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Fucking White Male says

Or actually make stuff up

Yeah fuck you.

Do YOU think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no?

Lets be like Trump!! Lets elevate every debate to raw stupidity.

34   Fucking White Male   478/480 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:58am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

What do you people think? Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes like Trump says they should?? Huh???????? Maybe we should all debate REAL news like that right?????? Brilliant.

All conversations in the modern era are insane conversations.

Yes, at least on pat.net

Primarily due to your individual efforts to humiliate and vilify those who you disagree with. It's a common theme in nearly every politics post you make

35   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Fucking White Male says

Yes, at least on pat.net

Primarily due to your individual efforts to humiliate and vilify those who you disagree with. It's a common theme in nearly every politics post you make

I don't humiliate anyone. Y'all do it effortlessly yourself.

Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no?

36   Fucking White Male   478/480 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

Fucking White Male says

Or actually make stuff up

Yeah fuck you.

Do YOU think Amazon should pay sales taxes? Yes or no?

Lets be like Trump!! Lets elevate every debate to raw stupidity.

Case in point. You're utterly pathetic.

37   Fucking White Male   478/480 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 9:59am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

Fucking White Male says

Yes, at least on pat.net

Primarily due to your individual efforts to humiliate and vilify those who you disagree with. It's a common theme in nearly every politics post you make

I don't humiliate anyone. Y'all do it effortlessly yourself.

Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no?

And you lie. Super disingenuous

38   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:00am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Fucking White Male says

Case in point. You're utterly pathetic.

Nope, this is the REAL news topic of the day. It's the topic Donald Trump wants to discuss today so I'm discussing it.

Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no?

39   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:00am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Fucking White Male says

And you lie. Super disingenuous

That's nice but lets talk about Donald Trump's main issue today.

Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no?

40   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

None of you can swallow your own bullshit can you.

The mainstream media is fake and what Trump says is the only source of real information. So yeah........I'll talk about NON-FAKE news now. Lets go!

Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no? Donald Trump clearly says "They should". (his own words) What do you think??

41   Fucking White Male   478/480 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:03am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Fucking White Male says

And you lie. Super disingenuous

That's nice but lets talk about Donald Trump's main issue today.

Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no?

Why are you trying to change the topic?

Again super disingenuous.

42   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:03am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Fucking White Male says

Why are you trying to change the topic?

Again super disingenuous.

LOL.....oh hell no. You win. The media is fake news. I'm trying to discuss REAL news now.

Do you think Amazon should start collecting sales taxes? Yes or no?

Do you want to change your fucking position now or discuss real news? You pick.

43   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:06am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump voters: "The mainstream media is fake news"
Iwog: "What is real news?"
Trump voters: "Donald Trump"
Iwog: "Okay what's your opinion on Amazon? Should they start collecting taxes?"
Trump voters: .......................................... run away!!! run away!!!!............................................................................

44   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:07am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Donald Trump is an idiot. He's an ignorant, stupid, spineless, sniveling trust baby twitter warrior who gets his news from Alex Jones and cries if he's not complimented every 5 minutes.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!! Stop being willfully stupid. This is a GENUINE APPEAL HERE!

45   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:09am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

How in the fuck did this become about Amazon and collecting sales taxes? I know they collect sales taxes on the orders I make. How does that have anything to do at all with the topic?

46   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:11am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

How in the fuck did this become about Amazon and collecting sales taxes? I know they collect sales taxes on the orders I make. How does that have anything to do at all with the topic?

I'm going to discuss real news from now on.

Donald Trump says Amazon should start collection taxes. He said it today. Do you agree or disagree that Amazon should start collecting taxes?

47   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I'm being totally serious now. Only real news from now on. Donald Trump says we should get rid of NAFTA and also says we should keep NAFTA.

Is he right? Discuss pro and con.

48   Dan8267   3631/3679 = 98% civil   Jun 28, 10:17am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

I'm being totally serious now. Only real news from now on. Donald Trump says we should get rid of NAFTA and also says we should keep NAFTA.

Is he right? Discuss pro and con.

Whenever Donald Trump contradicts Donald Trump I tend to believe Donald Trump over Donald Trump.

49   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:18am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Here is a good one. Should Obama stop wiretapping Donald Trump?

Come on people you're not helping here. These are serious issues that the mainstream media won't touch.

50   joshuatrio   112/113 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:18am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Donald Trump is an idiot. He's an ignorant, stupid, spineless, sniveling trust baby twitter warrior who gets his news from Alex Jones and cries if he's not complimented every 5 minutes.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!! Stop being willfully stupid. This is a GENUINE APPEAL HERE!

You forgot misogynist, racist & bigot.

Goddamnit Iwog, you've gone off the rails as you've aged.

I wasted the last 3-5 minutes reading this stupid ass thread wondering how the convo went from Trump/Fake News to Amazon and sales tax.

51   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:21am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joshuatrio says

You forgot misogynist, racist & bigot.

Except he's not a misogynist racist bigot. Did you forget who you're talking to? Accuracy is very important to me. This isn't a dog pile.

52   joshuatrio   112/113 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:23am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Except he's not a misogynist racist bigot. Did you forget who you're talking to? Accuracy is very important to me. This isn't a dog pile.

In your condition, I'd suggest either a prescription for xanax or cannabis.

53   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:24am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joshuatrio says

I wasted the last 3-5 minutes reading this stupid ass thread wondering how the convo went from Trump/Fake News to Amazon and sales tax.

It speaks to the Core of what news actually is. That's the point. Donald Trump is a total unmitigated failure. When I attempt to discuss the issues that Donald Trump thinks are important, you will call it going off the rails. What does this tell you?

54   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:30am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Wow I guess I can't win. I'm not allowed to discuss fake news and I'm not allowed to discuss real news.

How about this? Donald Trump says we should have a law that stops welfare entitlements after five years. Do you agree or disagree?

Surely this is an important issue right?

55   joshuatrio   112/113 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:31am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

When I attempt to discuss the issues that Donald Trump thinks are important, you will call it going off the rails.

Discussing issues regarding Trump/politics is not going off the rails.

iwog says

Donald Trump is an idiot. He's an ignorant, stupid, spineless, sniveling trust baby twitter warrior who gets his news from Alex Jones and cries if he's not complimented every 5 minutes.

This is.

56   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

joshuatrio says

Discussing issues regarding Trump/politics is not going off the rails.

Good to know! So is Trump right that we need to pass the law to limit the amount of time people can be on welfare? 5 years like he suggested?

57   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:36am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Republicans gave him a standing ovation so certainly this must be a valid issue!

58   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 10:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

No comment huh?? The press is all fake but look what happens when I let Donald Trump set the conversation? It's gibberish. It's a joke.

I'm not being unfair in the least. I'm simply taking Donald Trump at his word. Apparently Trump supporters DO NOT take him at his word which is a big part of the problem.

59   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 11:34am  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

So you started off with the argument: "Donald Trump is controlling the media exactly like 1984 omg omg!"
Then when that argument got wtfpwned, you changed the subject multiple times and demanded answers to questions that were completely off topic.
Interspersed, of course, were your trademark comments calling all opponents idiots and lamenting the end of western civilization.

Sorry, but nobody wants to play your game when you change the rules like a bitch every time you are losing.

60   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 12:13pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley says

So you started off with the argument: "Donald Trump is controlling the media exactly like 1984 omg omg!"

Lie.

Quigley says

Then when that argument got wtfpwned

Lie.

Quigley says

you changed the subject multiple times and demanded answers to questions that were completely off topic.

Lie.

Quigley says

Sorry, but nobody wants to play your game when you change the rules like a bitch every time you are losing.

Okay I lost. Please state your main point please followed by your support for that point. You can consider it a victory lap.

61   jazz_music   876/877 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 12:29pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley says

Sorry, but nobody wants to play your game

Why not elevate yourself to spokesman for some fictitious group of people just so you can, summarize something that never happened, disingenuously paraphrase, insult and condescend.

62   BlueSardine   833/850 = 98% civil   Jun 28, 12:55pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

SOP for iwog.
You can see this pattern in 90% of his threads...

iwog says

Quigley says

you changed the subject multiple times and demanded answers to questions that were completely off topic.

63   iwog   2214/2216 = 99% civil   Jun 28, 11:25pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BlueSardine says

SOP for iwog.

You can see this pattern in 90% of his threads...

You're right. In 90% of my threads, the opposition runs away without ever stating a coherent point and supporting it with evidence.

Like now.

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