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Trumps Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

By Rew   Jul 9, 1:33pm   6 links   3,125 views   210 comments   watch (0)   quote      

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

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171   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 7:31pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

sagacious1 says

Yes yes...yet even playing it to an extreme and unlikely end, you still get Pence for president and Gorsuch is still a justice.

There would never be a call for re-elections. No one would cry out to remove all Trump appointees as "dirty".

The threat of President Pence is also ... not scary! Trump very much is. He is an authoritarian nightmare for the country. I hope we wake up soon.

172   BlueSardine   834/851 = 98% civil   Jul 12, 7:34pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Well, with pence you will now have someone in the oval office that can work with republican congress to get conservative issues implemented.
This is much more damning to liberals than the trump circus.
Trump was just the trojan horse to get Pence into the whitehouse.

sagacious1 says

you still get Pence for president and Gorsuch is still a justice. The point being, nothing changes for all the hullaballoo.

173   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 8:21pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

BlueSardine says

This is much more damning to liberals than the trump circus.

To social agenda, yes. To a Democratic Western world, no. The fight is for liberal democracies themselves. Even if I get one I don't like, I want one!

174   joeyjojojunior   883/888 = 99% civil   Jul 13, 8:02am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

The plot thickens...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/house-democrats-want-know-why-195746298.html

"Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday asking why the Department of Justice settled a major money-laundering case involving a real-estate company owned by the son of a powerful Russian government official whose lawyer met with Donald Trump Jr. last year. "

175   sagacious1   88/88 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 8:15am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

sagacious1 says

Yes yes...yet even playing it to an extreme and unlikely end, you still get Pence for president and Gorsuch is still a justice.

There would never be a call for re-elections. No one would cry out to remove all Trump appointees as "dirty".

The threat of President Pence is also ... not scary! Trump very much is. He is an authoritarian nightmare for the country. I hope we wake up soon.

I've noticed that's a frequent mantra of yours "Trumps an authoritarian nightmare"...actually I hear that and other similar adjectives when describing Trump from many. However optics aside, how are Pences policy foundations any different...in fact probably more rigid? Is it Trumps optics that bother you? Optics are meaningless, policy matters. I guess the question is, what concerns you about Trump as opposed to Pence, if their policies are for all practical purposes identical?

176   PCGyver   390/390 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 8:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

sagacious1 says

if their policies are for all practical purposes identical?

Are they?

Would Pence craft policy as to enrich his family? Maybe so, but would he at the same time be selling out to Russia? Probably not.

joeyjojojunior says

The plot thickens...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/house-democrats-want-know-why-195746298.html

"Democrats sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions...

Is that why he recused himself?

177   Quigley   885/891 = 99% civil   Jul 13, 8:52am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/12/536729440/could-donald-trump-jr-be-charged-with-treason-short-answer-no

"Could Donald Trump Jr. Be Charged With Treason? Short Answer: No

The headlines get more breathless by the moment. "Explosive new charges!" "A bombshell!"

Was it a crime for Donald Trump Jr. to meet with a Russian government-connected lawyer who promised dirt on Hillary Clinton for use in the presidential campaign? Was it worse than a crime? Was it treason?

"Fidell contends that it is a nasty practice to "immediately throw the treason card on the table, even in the context of mere political discourse." It has a "Queen of Spades flavor to it," he says — "off with their heads."

Even predominantly Leftist NPR is downplaying the overheated hype lapped up by people like iwog, jojo, Rew, and bob. Everyone knows there's nothing actually there, but keeps hoping to dig up something that's actually real. They think if they just keep enough pressure on, eventually some oil will rise to the surface. All that tactic has produced so far, however, is an abundance of hot gas...

178   sagacious1   88/88 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 9:02am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PCGyver says

sagacious1 says

if their policies are for all practical purposes identical?

Are they?

Would Pence craft policy as to enrich his family? Maybe so, but would he at the same time be selling out to Russia? Probably not.

joeyjojojunior says

The plot thickens...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/house-democrats-want-know-why-195746298.html

"Democrats sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions

Is that why he recused himself?

Fair enough...if I hear you correctly: That Trump was never a "serious" candidate, rather, an opportunistic businessman who would subjugate the office for personal gain. Actually, many do feel that way. I'm not certain that isn't the case for many of our present politicians however, including those who have held and run for this high office. In any case, even given that how could a President carry out such policy when it is Congress that enacts policy? As for "selling out to Russia", I don't know what that means exactly. Sell out how?

179   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 9:40am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

sagacious1 says

Optics are meaningless, policy matters.

This is beyond optics now:
- President installs administration rife with nepotism
- Intelligence community fears deep involvement with Russia
- Presidents son found to be receptive to foreign aid by Russia to help install his dad as President

... and, if policy matters we have an aimless foreign policy coasting on the fumes of the Obama administration, and a domestic agenda that is rife with constitutional concerns as well as being completely damaging to actual people.

Open eyes wide. Trump is a clear threat to the democracy.

Quigley says

"Could Donald Trump Jr. Be Charged With Treason? Short Answer: No

Treason is a very specific criminal charge.

180   BlueSardine   834/851 = 98% civil   Jul 13, 9:43am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Politicians are trained at birth to hide and mask their lies.
Trump's lies are just over the top blatant, and could set precedent for future lying.
This scares the libbie left, who wants to keep what's hidden, hidden.

sagacious1 says

I guess the question is, what concerns you about Trump as opposed to Pence, if their policies are for all practical purposes identical?

181   BlueSardine   834/851 = 98% civil   Jul 13, 9:45am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

https://patrick.net/1307898/2017-07-09-trumps-son-met-with-russian-lawyer-after-being-promised-damaging-information-on-clinton?c=1426371#comment-1426371

sagacious1 says

.if I hear you correctly: That Trump was never a "serious" candidate, rather, an opportunistic businessman who would subjugate the office for personal gain. Actually, many do feel that way. I'm not certain that isn't the case for many of our present politicians however, including those who have held and run for this high office.

182   PCGyver   390/390 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 11:46am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

sagacious1 says

As for "selling out to Russia", I don't know what that means exactly. Sell out how?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-prevezon-idUSKBN18904I

If the US justice department settled a case for much less than they could have gotten by taking it to trial with a foreign entity in exchange for dirt on Hillary, that's would be selling out.

"Selling out" is a common idiomatic pejorative expression for the compromising of a person's integrity, morality, authenticity, or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money.

183   sagacious1   88/88 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 2:29pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PCGyver says

sagacious1 says

As for "selling out to Russia", I don't know what that means exactly. Sell out how?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-prevezon-idUSKBN18904I

If the US justice department settled a case for much less than they could have gotten by taking it to trial with a foreign entity in exchange for dirt on Hillary, that's would be selling out.

"Selling out" is a common idiomatic pejorative expression for the compromising of a person's integrity, morality, authenticity, or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money.

Would the Christopher Steele dossier qualify under that definition?

184   PCGyver   390/390 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 2:50pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

sagacious1 says

Would the Christopher Steele dossier qualify under that definition?

No. Christopher Steele didn't sell out to the Russians.

185   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 3:03pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

186   BlueSardine   834/851 = 98% civil   Jul 13, 3:08pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

You are still thinking in 3d...very old school.
d1: Trump is corrupt
d2: we can fully see it
d3: Isn't it great!
d4: Nothing solved. You don't build the new house until the old one is demolished. Trump is the demolisher. Pence is the builder.

Rew says

"Trump is corrupt, and we can fully see it. Isn't it great! See we solved things!"

BZzzzzzzt. WRONG

187   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 3:11pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BlueSardine says

Pence is

a big reason why President Trump must be allowed to complete his term. Pence is worse than W in every way, but his empowerment of religion would endear him to KSA and the MIC, which might explain MSM support for him. Basically, Pence would 'build' on W's record of miserable failure and serving KSA. No one would benefit other than KSA.

Most of the people rooting for replacement are suffering TDS, and refuse to think through strategically.

188   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 3:18pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

(popcorn)

189   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 3:22pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BlueSardine and Curios2 are illustrating a rift in the Trumpocracy.

Curious2 : Islam an existential and immediate threat! Need to kill all ISLAM.
BS : I defended Trump even on Covfefe ... but it's time to pivot. He is going down. Pence was the plan all along.

190   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 5:43pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Rew says

Trumpocracy.

The travel ban polls around +30 including broad majority support. It is much more popular than President Trump. He tapped into that issue, presenting possibly the first clear-eyed view of Islam expressed publicly by any President since Democratic-Republican John Quincy Adams. President Trump rode that issue and other protectionist policies to victory, but his administration's partial implementation might not work. If Democrats nominate somebody who isn't on the KSA payroll, someone who would stop hijrah, then Democrats could take back that issue.

Even if you insist on seeing Russia as an enemy, Islam is worse.

191   CBOEtrader   973/974 = 99% civil   Jul 13, 5:53pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

Donald Trump sold out the country to win the election. That's what happened. Sorry you don't like it but there's no other reasonable explanation.

You are sometimes a smart, then your brain breaks like it did here. Its quite amazing to watch

192   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 10:06pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

CBOEtrader says

You are sometimes a smart, then your brain breaks like it did here.

You haven't even begun to see what you will consider 'break' yet. I think the nation is about to go bat shit crazy. Wait until you see the commie crazy left's answer to Trump. (It could very well happen!)

The center and cooperation is giving way. Faith in the institutions are now being lost badly on the left.

I think a healthcare vote may trigger right now.

193   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 13, 10:07pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

It is much more popular than President Trump.

Most things are, except the Healthcare bill.

194   BayAreaObserver   1067/1068 = 99% civil   Jul 14, 7:27am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

A former Soviet military intelligence officer-turned-lobbyist attended the meeting at Trump Tower last June with Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, NBC News reported Friday.

Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-born lobbyist who has been working with Veselnitskaya to overturn the Magnitsky Act since at least last year, confirmed his participation in the meeting to the AP.

More: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-meeting-natalia-veselnitskaya-rinat-akhmetshin-2017-7

Related thread which some of you dismissed concerning the Magnistsky Act. https://patrick.net/1307933/2017-07-11-trump-team-s-russia-meeting-was-really-about-releasing-billions-to-corrupt-oligarchs

195   BayAreaObserver   1067/1068 = 99% civil   Jul 17, 7:22am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ex-Bush ethics lawyer: If you don't revoke Kushner's security clearance, just give one to Putin

A former ethics lawyer who worked under President George W. Bush blasted White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, who is President Trump's son-in-law, for still having a security clearance.

“Jared Kushner's security clearance should be revoked. If not, we should just throw in the towel and give one to Vladimir Putin himself,” Richard Painter tweeted on Sunday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342277-ex-bush-ethics-lawyer-if-kushners-security-clearance-isnt-revoked

196   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 2:10pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

From the Mouth of Chris Christie: Russian oppo research probably illegal
https://apnews.com/6720759d5a8a42918d71dd0826d633c9/Christie:-Getting-Russian-oppo-research-'probably'-illegal

197   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1344/1344 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 2:24pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

As long as Putin ordered the beheading of IHLlary from Russia and was paid in non-USD currency, is legal and Don, Jr should get a Junior Achievement badge for effort.

198   Blurtman   564/564 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 4:47pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Trumps Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

So what. What is the crime?

199   FortWayne   871/877 = 99% civil   Jul 17, 5:23pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

That's not illegal

200   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   205/205 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 6:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

the desperation

201   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 8:28pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

That's not illegal

Backed by what great legal opinion is that?

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

the desperation

I wiff it off the GOP and Trump as well. The lies and cover ups have compounded, and I don't think we have seen them stop.

Come on Trump, fire Mueller, and pardon all this. Do it! Do it!!

202   FortWayne   871/877 = 99% civil   Jul 17, 8:30pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

FortWayne says

That's not illegal

Backed by what great legal opinion is that?

You tell me what law did a private citizen (Trump Jr) broke here?

203   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 8:38pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

You tell me what law did a private citizen (Trump Jr) broke here?

Jr was acting for the Trump campaign. He likely broke "11 CFR 110.20" ... elected or not.

Even if no criminal charges are brought, Manafort and Jared are in the crosshairs. Jr is a gateway to the prize.

204   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 8:45pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Meanwhile tonight, Hannity is on air going off on his usual anti-anti-Trump tirades. Keep that up. See ya in 2018, and 2020. :)

205   FortWayne   871/877 = 99% civil   Jul 17, 8:47pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

FortWayne says

You tell me what law did a private citizen (Trump Jr) broke here?

Jr was acting for the Trump campaign. He likely broke "11 CFR 110.20" ... elected or not.

That prohibits money donations, not communication. We live in a free country and this is still a nothing burger.

206   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 8:48pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

WH pool reporter on twitter right now (paraphrased):
"Asked source if there was a secrete Senate plan ...'Nope we are flying the plane into the ground at full speed.' "

Haha.

207   bob2356   665/670 = 99% civil   Jul 18, 7:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

That prohibits money donations, not communication.

Bzzt wrong. It prohibits a thing of value in connection with elections. Hard to argue jr wasn't connected with the election or that the information didn't have value to the campaign.

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

208   FortWayne   871/877 = 99% civil   Jul 18, 7:35am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

bob2356 says

FortWayne says

That prohibits money donations, not communication.

Bzzt wrong. It prohibits a thing of value in connection with elections. Hard to argue jr wasn't connected with the election or that the information didn't have value to the campaign.

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

Yep, still doesn't prohibit talking. Don't quit your day job to give out legal advice bob.

209   YesYNot   1135/1136 = 99% civil   Jul 18, 8:16am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

If they gave Russia the green light to hack the DNC and HRC and release the information publicly, that would be a big problem. If they coordinated with the Russians in their attempts to use the hacked information, that would be a problem. If they agreed to lift sanctions in return for such help, that would be a huge problem.

Jr's meeting isn't definitive proof of any of these things. If it were, he'd be in jail. It's just definitive proof that Trump Jr wanted to accept Russia's help, and circumstantial evidence that he did conspire with the Russians to commit cyber crimes. Politically, it's a problem, b/c most people can fill in the dots. If team Trump 'probably' conspired, you can't put them in jail, but it will have political implications.

210   errc   714/723 = 98% civil   Jul 18, 8:24am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

Rew says

FortWayne says

That's not illegal

Backed by what great legal opinion is that?

You tell me what law did a private citizen (Trump Jr) broke here?

Why do you think it is that you are always so quick to defend anything these people do?

Does it feel natural?

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