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Trump Jr. about to be thrown under bus : nypost and DRUDGE

By Rew   Jul 11, 7:30pm   4 links   802 views   46 comments   watch (0)   quote      

http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-is-an-idiot/

http://drudgereport.com

So, how far do our tragic anti-heroes take this? How far will Trump take it?

I'm not going to tweet on the day it happens, "You're Fired!". I'm not going to meme you and "drink your conservative tears". This is what it looks like when America loses, and we did it, by not working together enough as a nation and people.

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7   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 4:10am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Why does it look like somebody close to the White House is trying to destroy Don Jr.?

Why are some people close to the White House trying to destroy Trump Jr. in a way that risks destroying the whole Trump presidency?

Why are they dribbling it out in a manner designed to inflict maximum political damage?

And is it a coincidence that this is happening right after the president's long meeting with Vladimir Putin?

I don't know exactly what's going on here. But I can only imagine that there must be some group of people in or around the administration who believe they stand to gain from these disclosures

I guess it's also possible they're disclosing this effort at collusion for altruistic or patriotic reasons, but I don't think that's very likely.

A theory I saw some people floating on Sunday was that Kushner was putting information out to throw his brother-in-law under the bus, getting everyone to think of this as "Don Jr.'s meeting" rather than "Jared's meeting." And that was maybe plausible before we learned that Trump Jr. had been told the meeting would be part of a Russian operation to support his father, and before we learned that Trump Jr. forwarded Kushner and Manafort an email saying as much.

Disclosure of this email exchange is a disaster for both Kushner and Trump Jr. It's hard to imagine why Kushner would have seen any advantage in getting it out.

More: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-white-house-2017-7

Personally my money's on Mike Pence Pence has been doing an awful lot of maneuvering and distancing not to mention special dinners at his residence every few weeks for "interested parties"...

8   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 4:14am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Why Donald Trump Jr. was comfortable seemingly admitting to a federal crime on Twitter Trump and Presidential Pardons: What You Need to Know

So then why would Trump Jr. post the emails on Twitter, with the whole world watching? I'm not here to speculate about any possible long-game he and the president's crew are playing. Rather, what I can say is that there is a pretty clear reason why he may have felt comfortable, if Professor Ohlin is correct, admitting to a criminal conspiracy on Twitter: His dad holds the pardon power.

The president's pardon power is extreme – it applies to any federal crimes, is entirely within the president's discretion and is completely unreviewable (with one important exception that I'll get to in a bit).

The Constitution is quite clear about this. Article II, section 2 states, "The President ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." No one else has this power – not Congress, nor the federal courts.

This pardon power has limits, but not any that are relevant here. For instance, Trump would not be able to pardon someone for a state, local or foreign crime. He also could not protect someone from having a lawsuit brought against him, either in federal or state court.

But for federal crimes, such as accepting campaign contributions from foreigners, Trump has the power to pardon anyone without restriction. The president's reasons for pardoning someone can be wise or stupid, noble or self-serving, serious or silly. He can pardon as many or as few people as he likes. Moreover, the president can pardon anyone, whether that person is a complete stranger or, for instance, his son. There's no limit on familial pardons.

The president's power even extends to people who have not yet been charged with a crime.

This means that, if pardoned, Trump Jr. would never face any criminal charges, and no court or other politician could change that.

But the people of the United States could hold President Trump accountable for the outrageous act of preemptively pardoning his son. If there are enough people enraged by such an action – as there should be, if it were to happen – they could demand their representatives stand up to Trump and maybe even impeach him over the matter. Or, if they won't do anything about it, vote them out of office. In other words, if Trump uses the presidential pardon power in a way the people don't like, the people can vote against his party in 2018 and against him in 2020. That's the one and only limit on the pardon power.

More: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-and-presidential-pardons-what-you-need-to-know-w491794

9   BayAreaObserver   1054/1055 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 7:58am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Can Trump Pardon Himself? If the current president has proved anything, it’s that there’s a first time for everything.

Consider the following situation. Whether or not presidents can be prosecuted while in office (no one knows for sure), the law is clear that they can be prosecuted after they have left. That makes it conceivable that President Trump, if he perceives that a team of prosecutors is closing in on him, could attempt to solve his problem by simply pardoning himself.

No president has ever tried to pardon himself, let alone been prosecuted after trying to pardon himself, so no court has had a chance to rule on the validity of self-pardons. Nixon considered pardoning himself just before he resigned. His lawyer advised him that he had the power, but Nixon decided against it. President Bill Clinton rendered the issue moot by reaching a settlement with his special prosecutor the day before he left office (and pardoned 140 people other than himself).

President Trump has shown many times, in many ways, that he is not particularly interested in convention. No president in recent memory has been as likely to answer the establishment’s gasps (“You can’t do that!”) with defiance (“I just did!”). As such, if push comes to shove — if he ever fears being prosecuted and he is on his way out of office — it is easy to imagine President Trump giving self-pardoning a try. There is no precedent that says he cannot pardon himself and a decent legal argument that says he can.

One final thing might give him pause: A self-pardon might itself be a crime. By analogy, if a president agreed to veto legislation in exchange for a bribe, the veto would be valid, but the bribe would be a felony. Depending on the circumstances, a self-pardon might similarly be valid in its function as a pardon but felonious as an obstruction of justice. Since a pardon can only cover past actions, moreover a criminal self-pardon could not cover itself. A president might still find it worthwhile to trade a raft of criminal charges for a single count of obstruction of justice. But this adds one more item to the list of reasons not to self-pardon.

There are two questions on the table. First, might Trump pardon himself? It is far too early to speculate about him facing criminal liability, but he certainly acts like someone who wouldn’t hesitate to deliver himself such a plum.

Second, if Trump did it, what would happen? This question is easier to answer. If he weren’t already on his way out of office, a self-pardon would bring nearer that day. Any prosecutor who was already pursuing him would not roll over and assume that the self-pardon was valid. Instead, the prosecutor would press forward and force the courts — and surely the Supreme Court, eventually — to decide the issue. The court could potentially rule either way. But one would hope it would rule in favor of justice and the rule of law and not in favor of unaccountable presidential plunder.

Full Article: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/19/what-would-happen-if-trump-pardoned-himself-mueller-russia-investigation/

10   BlueSardine   833/850 = 98% civil   Jul 12, 10:51am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump is safe.
His family will not turn on him for one single reason:
Anything the libbies turn up on the trumplings will be PRESIDENTIALLY PARDONED.

Everybody caught in this net will be pardoned. Everybody.
In other words, the libbies are like a dog chasing it's tail, when caught, there is no bite coming...

Rew says

Was it Collusion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/collusion-trump-russia-campaign.html

Simple, rational, well done. Go NYT! Go Deep State!

11   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 10:54am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Identical post in two threads? You appear rattled my friend. What's wrong?

BlueSardine says

Everybody caught in this net will be pardoned. Everybody.

By action I'm not so sure you are certain now. ;)

12   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 11:05am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I still don't see what crime Jr. is supposed to have admitted to on Twitter. Can any of you TDS types spell it out simply for me?

13   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 11:16am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Quigley says

I still don't see what crime Jr. is supposed to have admitted to on Twitter. Can any of you TDS types spell it out simply for me?

The degree of partisanship blindness you have won't be cured on an internet forum.

14   komputodo   220/221 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 12:51pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

When was the last time a sitting president's child went to prison? I know, I know, this time it's different. LOL

15   HEY YOU   1055/1055 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 12:52pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

HEY YOU" IDIOT"just deleted a thread on this topic,titled:
"Losers post thunderdome. This is Thunderstruck!"

These links are worth posting several times.
Rep/Cons eating Rep/Cons.
They will try to defend their draft dodger precedent & his "criminally stupid" son.

16   komputodo   220/221 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 12:55pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

I still don't see what crime Jr. is supposed to have admitted to on Twitter. Can any of you TDS types spell it out simply for me?

Don't ask for specifics, especially from rew. I asked him a question about who he considers a reputable source for news and he avoided that like the plague. Guys like rew don't like to be cornered into giving a specific answer. I imagine it's because they don't have one.

17   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 1:14pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

komputodo says

Don't ask for specifics, especially from rew. I asked him a question about who he considers a reputable source for news and he avoided that like the plague.

I've answered that very question before with a complete list someplace. Spoiler for those that go looking: Breitbart, Fox, Gateway Pundit, National Review are not among those listed.

18   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 1:27pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Did you see what Sam Shepard just said on Fox News?

Also this one is fun:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-officials-overheard-discussing-trump-associates-before-campaign-began-1499890354

Summary : remember those conversations the intelligence community had, where they thought they picked up Trump officials communicating with known Russian agents. Well, in light of the emails just released, they are going to review that chatter closer now to see if they make more sense. :)

19   HEY YOU   1055/1055 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 1:28pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rep/Cons are running scared from what Mueller & his investigators might uncover.
They are running off at the mouths trying to defend these idiots & their ideology when they
don't know what charges may be brought.
Ego Snowflakes?

20   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 1:31pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

HEY YOU says

They are running off at the mouths trying to defend these idiots

Indications are they started pushing on Jared with regards to the SF-86, and when Jared's legal team saw the emails his brother in law sent, they knew they had to disclose. Thus, where we are today. (Tree shook, stuff fell out, look at stuff, identify next tree to shake.)

21   komputodo   220/221 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 1:58pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

I've answered that very question before with a complete list someplace. Spoiler for those that go looking: Breitbart, Fox, Gateway Pundit, National Review are not among those listed.

Avoiding again...You can type all that BS out but can't type the name of just 1 reputable source. What a joke.

22   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 2:47pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

komputodo says

Avoiding again...You can type all that BS out but can't type the name of just 1 reputable source.

I'm not typing their names. I'm linking the articles, and specifically, mostly by the same reporters.

Hint: as of late, the NYTimes has dominated 3+ days worth of the national conversation. They broke this story. They are my top choice for dragon slayer, with Comey as knight errant, and Mueller the dark executioner.

23   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 2:48pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Also, do you not like the NYPost and DRUDGE? I thought they would be to your leaning?

24   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 6:54pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Quigley says

I still don't see what crime Jr. is supposed to have admitted to on Twitter. Can any of you TDS types spell it out simply for me?

The degree of partisanship blindness you have won't be cured on an internet forum.

I'm still waiting... Bueller? Anyone?

25   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 7:07pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

I'm still waiting... Bueller? Anyone?

Two articles explaining the problems on what Jr did, and then the following obfuscation by Jared and Manafort. These both come from "The National Review". Your only defense here now is likely relegated to: "I knew they were always cucks!"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449406/donald-trump-jr-russia-meeting-campaign-explanation-naive-dangerous
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449401/trump-jr-emails-high-crimes-misdemeanors

The center is being found on this issue, and America very much thinks we likely have a problem! Further study needed. :)

Do you want to see an independent and an incoming head of FBI describe it to you as well? (video) Note also current reaction by Trump legal team is ... get distance from Jr.

What about the NYPost and DRUDGE : trash right wing rags ... both calling Jr an idiot! If you support Trump you should be pissed by what happened. Jr just had to tie a lot of the picture together that has been being suspected. Highly likely too this is because of Jared's legal team pushing for the mails to be disclosed.

Drip ... drip ... drip ... incremental truth telling at its finest!

26   BlueSardine   833/850 = 98% civil   Jul 12, 7:36pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lol...
Tenpoundbass says

where do you think Shit on the other Candidate comes from? The guys mother?

27   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 7:44pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Mom weighs in.

The founders decided only a native born American can be the President. Why? Why not a naturalized one?

Edit: Will give hint if requested for questions above.

28   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 7:45pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ok let's see if I can find one (even just one!) crime committed and admitted by Jr. From the linked articles.
1) "could be a campaign-finance-law violation. After all, opposition research is a ‘thing of value.’ "
Ok, even if this lawyerly approach was considered valid, they received no opposition research and thus were under no obligation to declare it as a campaign contribution. Strike one!

2) "Plus, Trump said his campaign had nothing to do with Russia. He lied to the public"
Not a crime, unless under oath like Papa Clinton. And a strong case could be shown that this wasn't even a lie! Getting gamed by a Russian lawyer doesn't count as aid for the campaign.
Strike two!
3) aaaand the rest is just a how-to for impeaching a sitting President. Strike three!

Rew you're out!
Come up with something or shit the fuck up!

29   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 7:46pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Also the National Review is GOPe rag which has been anti-Trump since he threw his hat into the ring.

30   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 7:47pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

crime committed

You are stuck. BZZZZzzzzzzzzt.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" ... these aren't criminal. There are conduct and political based. Look it up!

31   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 7:48pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Also the National Review is GOPe rag which has been anti-Trump since he threw his hat into the ring.

It’s Time for Conservatives to Celebrate This President

Want to say, "One article does not a pro-Trump stance make?"

Say it! Say itttt!

32   BlueSardine   833/850 = 98% civil   Jul 12, 7:50pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Oh...so the elephant dominated congress gets to decide whether to impeach or not...
How do you think this will work itself out?

Rew says

"High crimes and misdemeanors" ... these aren't criminal. There are conduct and political based. Look it up!

33   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 7:52pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

BlueSardine says

Oh...so the elephant dominated congress gets to decide whether to impeach or not...

How do you think this will work itself out?

Trump impeached.

34   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 7:55pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

shit the fuck up!

I'm not sure how to feel about that one. But I'm laughing pretty hard. :)

35   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 7:56pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Trump impeached.

Dream on. He's less likely to commit an impeachable offense than Ma Clinton! She couldn't even shake federal investigations long enough to run for President!

36   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 8:19pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Dream on. He's less likely to commit an impeachable

He has already committed many. Only the political will is missing.

Quigley says

She couldn't even shake federal investigations long enough to run for President!

And then there is Obama ... 8 years ... never investigated. There were uproars over fancy mustard and reaching across the Chipotle sneeze guard instead.

37   Quigley   883/889 = 99% civil   Jul 12, 8:45pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

He has already committed many.

Ok name just one, or will you run away like you did when I posed the question about Jr?

38   Bellingham Bill   119/119 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 8:54pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

39   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 8:54pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Ok name just one, or will you run away like you did when I posed the question about Jr?

People really need to stop this whole "run away" thing. I'm not omnipresent.

Comey firing, lying, political incompetence, attacking the free press, attacking the intelligence service, disregard for ethics and norms, Russia Russia Russia ... you name it ... they are being found by the moment.

http://www.newsweek.com/scholar-comey-firing-legal-trump-impeachable-609469
http://fortune.com/2017/05/19/donald-trump-impeach-meaning-definition-resigns
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/100-days-trump-impeachment-safe-bet-article-1.3099439

What, lying over a blow job? Shit. You guys would be cheering your assess off if Trump got a little head in O-office. (Bill was gangster.)

40   lostand confused   513/513 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 8:59pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

People really need to stop this whole "run away" thing. I'm not omnipresent.

Comey firing, lying, political incompetence, attacking the free press, attacking the intelligence service, disregard for ethics and norms, Russia Russia Russia ... you name it ... they are being found by the moment

You are so funny-please don't stop.

41   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 9:02pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

You ever notice how it is unlikely that when someone posts a picture saying "You are so funny" ... that it is probably pretty unlikely they are finding humor in what you are doing or what you believe?

Sorry lostand ... don't worry. Trump side will rally and come back. There will be time for you to gloat again I'm sure. It's just unlikely now, longterm, you win the war.

Peace.

42   lostand confused   513/513 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 9:14pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

It is not Trump's side-but hey you will never understand-which is why I find it funny-like looking at a kid.. keep on-hamster wheel, hamster wheel -this is just funny-please don't stop.

43   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 9:56pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

It is not Trump's side

(perk) I bite. Whose side is it than? (The "American people's" (chuckle) "Western civilizations" (Bannon!) .... ehehehehe.)

lostand confused says

I find it funny-like looking at a kid

Sorry but the competent and serious side isn't the one you are aligned with. It's the populist mob. The 'grown ups' in the government and media are the ones aligning against Trump.

44   lostand confused   513/513 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 10:20pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Sorry but the competent and serious side isn't the one you are aligned with. It's the populist mob. The 'grown ups' in the government and media are the ones aligning against Trump.

That is your opinion. Democrats are the mob-consistently engaging in violence-suppressing free speech, attempting to kill GOP congressmen, consistently threatening to kill the President. You yourself cheered the bloodying of citizens enjoying their 1st amendment rights. Now you pretend to be pure like the driven snow.

But that is par for the course for the left-now people are waking up to the deranged lunatics that is the elft -their inner ugliness and violence and filth si coming out. Which is why they are mad at trump. Humpty Dumpty is broken though.

45   Rew   1136/1136 = 100% civil   Jul 12, 11:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

You yourself cheered the bloodying of citizens enjoying their 1st amendment rights. Now you pretend to be pure like the driven snow.

What? Where did I do this? I'm sorry. I really don't remember this.

If the protests upset you, buckle up. My crystal ball says some bigger ones are coming.

46   bob2356   657/662 = 99% civil   Jul 13, 3:34am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

Democrats are the mob-consistently engaging in violence-suppressing free speech, attempting to kill GOP congressmen, consistently threatening to kill the President.

Yes of course, the far right has never engaged in violence-suppressing free speech, attempted to kill people disagreeing, or threatened to kill the president. I would be laughing if it weren't so absurd. Not to mention scary that there are so many out there that could actually believe it. What color is the sky in your world?

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