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Will Trump resign . One lawyer thinks so

By Tim Aurora   Jul 16, 11:41am   2 links   1,880 views   85 comments   watch (0)   quote      

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scandal-donald-trump-jr-apos-103704137.html

law and son, a leading professor of law at Columbia University predicts.Philip Bobbitt describes the Presidents resignation as a consequence of his family members being prosecuted as the likeliest possibility.Emails released by Donald Trump Jr show that he met with a

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6   Tim Aurora   294/294 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 6:07pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    


7   komputodo   224/226 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 6:28pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

2 lawyers:

8   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 6:36pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

See how this works?

Yes. He can pardon anyone, at any time. He may already have signed pardons for his entire family, and distributed them, to be announced whenever they feel like it.

Rew says

Have you seen the fundraising going on lately in the opposition world?

Yes. CNN is pushing this admittedly "mostly BS" witch hunt because it drives ratings. Same for MSNBC. It's also driving fundraising. They are exploiting cognitive dissonance (anti-Trumpers can't bear the fact that he's not what they claimed), confirmation bias, and wishful thinking. The administration is allowing the narrative to continue because it distracts Democrats, enabling the real business to continue unobserved, and leaves Democrats with nothing to campaign on but TDS. You are getting played.

That's how this works.

9   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 6:38pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

Yes. He can pardon anyone, at any time. He may already have signed pardons for his entire family, and distributed them, to be announced whenever they feel like it.

I welcome Trump to do so.

curious2 says

witch hunt because it drives ratings.

There are only handful of outlets now calling this a "witch hunt". The incoming nominee as head of the FBI doesn't think this is a 'nothing burger'.

curious2 says

You are getting played.

The opposition is getting a huge boost in its war coffers. Trump's is being drained by legal onslaught.

10   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 6:47pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

There are only handful of outlets now calling this a "witch hunt".

LOL - evidently you don't see how this works. Coke and Pepsi don't call sugary sodas bad for you, but they are. Obviously the channels profiting from a story aren't openly going to call it BS, but at least one CNN producer admitted privately that it is, and some in independent journalism can also see it doesn't measure up to MSM claims. Nobody starts an investigation by calling it nothing: they get paid for the investigation, then call it nothing. They get paid, you get played. SSDD.

11   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 7:00pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

If Democrats want to win, they should campaign for better policies.

You mean lie?

What makes you think Democrats are as stupid as Trump voters?

We all laughed when Trump promised to repeal NAFTA, build a wall, and put Clinton in jail. We told y'all it was ridiculous at the time however you voted for him anyway.

For better or worse, Democrats don't promise idiotic bullshit they can't deliver. Obama promised an end to the Iraq war and it was concluded quickly. Obama promised health care reform and it was passed as soon as possible. Obama promised a stimulus bill and we got it in 2009. Obama promised to find and kill Osama Bin Laden and he did. Obama promised to keep the Bush tax cuts for the working class and went to the mat, even letting the government shut down, to force Republicans to finally allow it. The list goes on and on. Obama continued to deliver on his promises until he was shut down by a Republican congress.

What we're experiencing now is the great fleecing and slaughter of the blue collar Trump voter. Stretch out your neck and hope it's over quickly.

12   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 7:05pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

You mean lie?

No, I don't mean lie. And as for what you call health care, see Why Democrats Lost. I don't know whom you are referring to when you say "you," but evidently not me. If you want Democrats to keep "winning" like Charlie Sheen, then let them continue what they've been doing.

13   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 7:07pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

No, I don't mean lie. And as for what you call health care, see Why Democrats Lost. I don't know whom you are referring to when you say "you," but evidently not me. If you want Democrats to keep "winning" like Charlie Sheen, then let them continue what they've been doing.

Don't change the subject.

Did Trump lie about putting Clinton in jail? Did Trump lie about a wall? Did Trump lie about NAFTA?

Tell me exactly what Trump has delivered so far other than scandal, ridicule, and much of his own staff either resigning or refusing to serve?

14   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 7:16pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Let me tell you about Donald Trump. Prior to the G20 summit, Donald Trump was building the case for action against North Korea.

When he showed up, most of the G20 leaders were ready to work with him on a unified policy for sanctions or pressure on China or even a threat of military action. Some of the delegates had actually formulated policy statements when the inevitable pitch came from Trump. There was widespread belief that the USA was going to lead some sort of action to bring Kim Jong Un to heel.

Instead of pursuing his own project, his own case, the President of the United States spent almost the entire summit fucking with his cell phone. The pitch for North Korea never came. The case was never made. This didn't get much coverage here but I was in Australia and it was major news there. Donald Trump was so unbelievably incompetent that not only was he incapable of signing on to other agendas, he couldn't even advocate for his own agenda and thus advocate for the health and welfare of the United States of America.

You have helped elect a person who will damage this country. What you've done is an evil act. I hope you're satisfied.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/09/biggest-threat-to-the-west-australian-journalist-demolishes-trump-after-g20

15   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 7:26pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Tell me exactly

If you're going to boss me around, you'd better start paying me. And, what you've done by encouraging Obamneycare is enable Democrats to lose everything. You're leaping to conclusions about what the President has done, or hasn't, in less than a year in office. You're leaping to conclusions as to what I've done. I've pointed out the existence of TDS, and the mostly BS narrative based on it. If you want to call pointing out plainly observable published facts "an evil act", that's your TDS in action. When you offer enough actual cash to boss me around, I'll consider your other questions. Otherwise no.

16   Bellingham Bill   119/119 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 7:34pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

iwog says

You have helped elect a person who will damage this country.

9 out of 10 of the conservative personas here are probably working out of some shack in St Petersburg anyway

nobody could be really as idiotic as these people pretend to be, right?

17   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 7:37pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

If you're going to boss me around, you'd better start paying me.

Keep running. I included a TON of specific examples and you could have addressed any one of them.

Instead all you did was run back to Obamacare, a reform that was WIDELY support and has remained widely supported TO DATE with most Americans approving of most of the provisions............as long as you don't call it Obamacare. The reason Obamacare was repealed 50 times by congress before 2017 and now it can't be repealed once is because Republicans are liars and con artists and y'all keep eating it up.

All it took to reverse Donald Trump on NAFTA was a visit by Canadians. Trump capitulated on the Clinton prosecution the day he took office. The wall was stupid from the beginning and no one believes it's going to be built let alone paid for by Mexicans. All you can do is say "NOT YET BUT YOU JUST WAIT!!!!" which you'll be repeating in 2019.

Now your main point seems to be Democrats will continue to lose elections by implementing policies that people want. Maybe true but history has a nasty habit of showing how citizens vote themselves into tyranny. The mob is clueless. The mob is incompetent. The mob can't be reasoned with. The founding fathers of this very country knew it and attempted to protect the government from it but they failed. The mob has forced safety valves like the electoral college to rust into uselessness and Trump is the vile cancer that has resulted.

You are making the popularity argument and it's the weakest and most easily destroyed.

18   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 7:40pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Bellingham Bill says

nobody could be really as idiotic as these people pretend to be, right?

Ample historical context. I think we all learned in grade school about how the founding fathers were fearful of direct control of the government by the people so they attempted to build in safeguards such as the Senate being elected by states instead of popular vote and the electoral college. Pretty smart guys.

Tyrannical governments are popularly supported governments. I think this is a lesson that most people can't comprehend very well. We all want to think if we support something, it MUST be the right direction, even when there's an unbelievable amount of evidence that it's not. The mob can't be reasoned with.

19   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 7:42pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

a reform that was WIDELY support and has remained widely supported

LOL - the only thing that ever made Obamneycare poll majority support was the Republicans proposing something even worse. Prior to that time, it polled around -10 year after year, through multiple elections when Democrats lost everything. Since you consider the popularity argument the weakest, I'm surprised you make it.

BTW, while you were typing falsehoods, you missed an interesting "60 Minutes" report on cataract surgery, which costs 100x more here than in other countries, for the same quality. You can continue defending the revenue maximization model that enriched the lobbyists and patronage networks that wrote it, but your comments in this thread make you seem really clueless.

20   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 7:45pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

LOL - the only thing that ever made Obamneycare poll majority support was the Republicans proposing something even worse. Prior to that time, it polled around -10 year after year, through multiple elections when Democrats lost everything. Since you consider the popularity argument the weakest, I'm surprised you make it.

Still want to talk about Obamacare huh? Why?

Republicans voted to repeal it over 50 times when Obama was president. Now that it would actually be signed by Trump, they can't even come close to passing a watered down version.

If you want to talk about the horrors of Obamacare, why don't you mention how Republicans are the ones currently fucking you to death and not Obama?

21   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 7:45pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

BTW, while you were typing falsehoods, you missed an interesting "60 Minutes" report on cataract surgery, which costs 100x more here than in other countries, for the same quality. You can continue defending the revenue maximization model that enriched the lobbyists and patronage networks that wrote it, but your comments in this thread make you seem really clueless.

Name a single falsehood that I've published in this thread. Be specific and quote me directly.

22   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   1350/1350 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 7:50pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

AF, you might be the first person ever to use the words "reasonable" and "rationally" to describe the current VP. I understand your standards of "reasonable" might differ from some others, but you should read some of the pre-election books about Donald Trump before deciding whether you think he's changed much.

Pence governed Indiana ideologically but non-suicidally. It's not a matter of change but of disability. Anyone who took a sturdily run family housing operation and forced it to build casinos deserves all the bankruptcies that stupidity would inspire. At his very prime, Trump would not have had the skills and disposition to govern anything with constituents he could not fire. Compared to Trump, Pence is Disraeli.

23   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:00pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Name a single falsehood that I've published in this thread. Be specific and quote me directly.

I did already.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Compared to Trump, Pence is

worse.

The Trump Organization is doing better than ever: he took a comparatively small outer burough housing company and built it into a global brand.

I don't understand the compulsion to heap scorn on areas where he's obviously proven successful. I do understand that it backfired in November. In interviews, Trump voters said they heard all the MSM calumnies against him, then looked with their own eyes, and saw it was "fake news".

24   TwoScoopsMcGee   1718/1718 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:08pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

What law did Donald Trump Jr. break?

The only thing I've heard are major stretches about theoretical interpretations campaign finance laws that have never actually been used IRL. Which if applied to Don Jr., will then encapsulate a whole bunch of politicians across the board.

25   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 8:10pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

iwog says

Name a single falsehood that I've published in this thread. Be specific and quote me directly.

I did already.

So your single example is something you AGREED with while qualifying why.

That's a falsehood?

26   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:12pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

TwoScoopsMcGee says

What law did Donald Trump Jr. break?

Nothing criminal ... yet.

What crime did Trump commit? Potentially obstruction of justice.
What crime did Jared, Manafort, Flynn commit? Potentially conspiracy and/or collusion.

The major concerns here around Trump are ethical, with some potentially criminal chasers. "Who could have known?" Impeachment is a political action, and high crimes and misdemeanors, are ethical political charges.

What about Obama's crimes? That's right, never even under investigation in 8 years.

27   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:19pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

My bar is pretty low and forgiving to replace Trump.

Here it is: hardline opposition to Russia, restore diplomacy with all Western allies, re-embrace NATO/UN/the West, not be a weekly embarrassment embroiled in scandal and lies, remove nepotism, disclose taxes, respect the emoluments clause, be an actual servant of the people, stop childish opposition to the press, carry a dignified and intelligent message as the representative of the USA.

That's it. Pence can do it. Many many plain American people could. The bar is mm off the ground.

28   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:19pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

curious2 says

iwog says

Name a single falsehood that I've published in this thread. Be specific and quote me directly.

I did already.

So your single example is something you AGREED with while qualifying why.

That's a falsehood?

It was WIDELY OPPOSED through every election from 2010-2016. That's the opposite of what you had said.

29   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:22pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

It was WIDELY OPPOSED through ever election from 2010-2016. That's the opposite of what you had said.

Widely? Approvals rates in the 40s, disprovals in the 50s, with a crossing of the streams now that people actually know what they are about to lose.

ACA is now more popular than Trump likely ever will be.

The alternative bill is making Senate staffers cry, weekly, as they receive desperate please from the infirm, literally saying they will likely die if the current "Repeal and go f*ck yourself" bill passes. The current bill is so known to be poison, the GOP don't even have a marketing name for it. They want you to forget it.

30   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 8:25pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

It was WIDELY OPPOSED through ever election from 2010-2016. That's the opposite of what you had said.

Nope, it's exactly what I said. Here's what I said:

iwog says

a reform that was WIDELY support and has remained widely supported TO DATE with most Americans approving of most of the provisions............as long as you don't call it Obamacare.

Poll after poll confirms that most (if not all) provisions of Obamacare are supported by the majority as long as they are listed separately. Obviously like with everything I write here I can prove it but you will continue to call it a falsehood because blah:

http://predictwise.com/blog/2016/12/obamacare-is-very-popular/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-obamacare-has-growing-support-even-if-its-name-does-not/2014/08/24/93a3ca72-2b16-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html?utm_term=.0e3a57a1d933
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/upshot/one-third-dont-know-obamacare-and-affordable-care-act-are-the-same.html
http://time.com/4639119/obamacare-popularity-rises-poll/
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polling-obamacare-label-makes-big-difference-n102861

Why are we still talking about Obamacare? Not only is this ENTIRELY in the hands of Trump and the Republicans now, but I gave a laundry list of other issues which you have ignored and you will still ignore.

31   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:34pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polling-obamacare-label-makes-big-difference-n102861

I've addressed that fake news poll already, but I'll do it again, just for you. Note the parts that I'll bold for your convenience.

"When it comes to views of the new health care law, sometimes it’s all in a name.

In Kentucky, a new Marist poll conducted for NBC News finds that 57 percent of registered voters have an unfavorable view of “Obamacare,” the shorthand commonly used to label the 2010 Affordable Care Act. That’s compared with only 33 percent who give it a thumbs up – hardly surprising in a state where the president’s approval rating hovers just above 30 percent.

By comparison, when Kentucky voters were asked to give their impression of "kynect," the state exchange created as a result of the health care law, the picture was quite different.

A plurality – 29 percent – said they have a favorable impression of kynect, compared to 22 percent who said they view the system unfavorably."

Kynect is the website where people who were required to submit to Obamneycare had to sign up. Its approval rating was actually lower than the legislation's. But, you were fooled by a fake news headline that said disapproval was even lower. Of course disapproval was lower: many people weren't even eligible for the website, and so 50% had no opinion of it. In your mind, you fell for the headline. Fake news. In reality, only ~30% supported it no matter what it was called.

I addressed the others previously. The PredictWise was a typical fake talking point memeplex, claiming people demand the impossible and don't know what they're talking about, liking some provisions but disliking the whole. As I said before, people might like corn by itself, but that doesn't mean they'll swallow a whole pile of manure even if they see some bits of undigested corn in there.

iwog says

Why are we still talking about Obamacare?

Because you asked. Anyway, I'm done. I was only answering during commercial breaks but the show is over. Have a good night.

32   TwoScoopsMcGee   1718/1718 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 8:41pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Nothing criminal ... yet.

Is this gonna be more months of fruitless investigation? Probably.

Probably, the independent counsel was dumb, but everybody knows indy investigators just churn endlessly through everything.

Meanwhile, non Alt Left Americans have reached or surpassed "Max Trump Outrage", so this will all backfire.

33   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 8:59pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

I've addressed that fake news poll already, but I'll do it again, just for you. Note the parts that I'll bold for your convenience.

I linked 6 articles and you picked out one single intrastate poll? This is the quality of discourse that you find helpful here?

There are MANY polls since 2009 including polls taken in 2017 that indicate the word "OBAMACARE" causes people to oppose the law while CONCURRENTLY either calling it something different OR describing the specific details results in exactly the opposite result. It's fucking ridiculous that we're even having this conversation since a Google search will reveal a thousand articles all supporting this simple conclusion.

Lets break it down. Do a majority of Americans agree on removing pre-existing conditions as a disqualifier for coverage? Yes or no or "Don't bully me, I wont answer you!!!"

Pick one.

34   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 9:49pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Approvals rates in the 40s, disprovals in the 50s

Net negative ~10, as I said. Congratulations, you've got the Democrats "winning" by -10. That's why they lost. Too many people saw through the PR-driven fake news headlines.

iwog says

you picked out one single intrastate poll?

Actually, I addressed two in this thread alone.

curious2 says

I addressed the others previously. The PredictWise was a typical fake talking point memeplex, claiming people demand the impossible and don't know what they're talking about, liking some provisions but disliking the whole. As I said before, people might like corn by itself, but that doesn't mean they'll swallow a whole pile of manure even if they see some bits of undigested corn in there.

Third, your WaPo link uses a PPP (Partisan Push Polling, for Democrats) poll of Kentucky, again, finding identical 34% support for Kynect and the legislation that enabled it, regardless of name. Endless repetition of the same misleading headlines contradicted by the data they're purportedly based on. I don't doubt that you can find thousands of other examples, which is why I limit how much time to waste on you. As I showed JJJJr using his own link, the propaganda tsunami in favor of Obamneycare outspent opposition by more than 7:1. The misleading Obamneycare articles are off topic but they do illustrate the ongoing pattern. Returning to the topic of the thread, TDS, "You Are Still Crying Wolf." In that article, "Scott" did the math and found the number of MSM articles sensationalizing whom the KKK had endorsed exceeded the total KKK membership worldwide. That's how MSM fake news works: they anchor a whole fake narrative to a data point taken out of context, in order to mislead the audience 180 degrees. You aren't the customer, you're the product, and TDS is the result.

35   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 9:58pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

curious2 says

Net negative ~10, as I said. Congratulations, you've got the Democrats "winning" by -10.

That is public opinion, not the Congress. Remember, it passed.

My congratulations as well.

36   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 10:00pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

Actually, I addressed two in this thread alone.

So overwhelming evidence counter, yet you will silo your opinion by cherry picking resources or semantics? Eee-ghads. Incase you cannot tell, I'm shaking my head in general disdain. ;)

ACA growing in popularity as the President's declines. Winning!

37   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 10:03pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

So it's shaping up to be:

- GOP die a political death fighting Obamacare
- Trump resigns over an email scandal

Come on! This is too good to be true! I think there is still a possibility that they manage to pass their tax cut bill, Trump's odds of resigning keep going up though.

38   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 16, 10:16pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

Actually, I addressed two in this thread alone.

I really don't give a fuck.

I tried to break it down but you don't want it broken down. The fact is that Obamacare, as in the PROVISIONS of Obamacare, are popular. Most of them.

Because you are dishonest ,you have no intention of going line by line and looking at the specific polls that prove this, however you're very happy to keep asserting your alternative facts that the majority of voters hate Obamacare. This is despite the present reality that even a watered down version of an Obamacare repeal has failed in the senate and a full repeal of Obamacare is now considered impossible despite such a thing being what most people want in your opinion. This is also despite the fact that congress has voted to repeal Obamacare over 50 times now.

Which results in your position being thus: "Obamacare is wildly unpopular but for some reason which I refuse to talk about, the government can't repeal it."

You see why all your threads turn to shit? You're not honest.

39   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 10:22pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

"Obamacare is wildly unpopular but for some reason which I refuse to talk about, the government can't repeal it."

(Please let the reply be 'obstructionist Democrats' .... please please please ... (wink))

40   Rew   1138/1138 = 100% civil   Jul 16, 10:41pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Just in from WaPo ... Ocare doubling up over RepubCut ...

41   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 1:01am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Rew says

So overwhelming evidence counter, yet you will silo your opinion by cherry picking resources or semantics?

I addressed the "evidence", which showed support for Kynect = support for Obama = support for "Obamacare" = 30% in the very polls that iwog had claimed "prove" the opposite. I had addressed the others before.

And, as I said:

curious2 says

LOL - the only thing that ever made Obamneycare poll majority support was the Republicans proposing something even worse. Prior to that time, it polled around -10 year after year, through multiple elections when Democrats lost everything.

You have now copied and pasted a redundant example from WaPo corroborating what I said, just as iwog cited a Time article corroborating what I said, but in your minds they somehow prove me wrong. Here is a quotation from iwog's Time link:

"[In 2017,] More Americans hold positive views...for the first time...49% of people polled favored the law—slightly more than the 47% who opposed it...every previous poll has seen more people oppose the law, CNN reports. It was the first time in at least 18 polls since March 2010 that people favored the healthcare law, according to CNN."

That corroborates what I had said above. All you have proved is that you're hallucinating a disproof where none exists.

iwog says

Because you are dishonest ,you have no intention of going line by line and looking at the specific polls that prove this, however you're very happy to keep asserting your alternative facts that the majority of voters hate Obamacare.

You are the one being dishonest, as usual. See what I actually said, not what you imagined.

42   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 17, 1:06am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

You are the one being dishonest, as usual. See what I actually said, not what you imagined.

Oh I know what you actually said. You said Obamacare is generally hated and unpopular. You're dead wrong and you've been proven wrong. The only way you're still right is if you look at polls naming Obamacare as a bugaboo and asking for public opinion on it.

People who actually give a fuck about reality and poll people about what Obamacare DOES instead of the propagandized name it carries have found out numerous times that most of the provisions of Obamacare are supported by the majority. Included are things like preexisting conditions, expanding medicaid, covering the poor, and increasing taxes on the rich to pay for it.

When confronted with polls and articles and information, you just run away and refuse to talk about any of it.

You also can't talk about why Republicans refuse to repeal this oh so hated legislation. You don't know why. You can't talk about why. You wont process this information nor render any opinion on it. Your entire take on Obamacare is intellectually corrupt. All of it.

43   iwog   2234/2236 = 99% civil   Jul 17, 1:13am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

You have now copied and pasted a redundant example corroborating what I said, but in your mind it somehow proves me wrong.

Semantics games. (accurate description which is rarely utilized) It doesn't even speak to either point. It's just you babbling about irrelevancy. My point was Obamacare was popular when it was proposed. Before effective propaganda was created to discredit it. You turned the point into something else; the eternal and forever public opinion about it which you're wrong about but it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean anything.

Even the mob is smart enough to know who is in charge now. They are asking themselves why Obamacare isn't repealed 6 months into a 100% Republican government when nearly every last fucking Republican shit-stain congressman promised to do so and actively voted to do so for years. But fuck that right? Lets keep talking about those rotten Democrats!!!!

44   curious2   1128/1128 = 100% civil   Jul 17, 1:15am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

Oh I know what you actually said. You said....

Then you're obviously lying. Here is what I said:

curious2 says

I addressed the "evidence", which showed support for Kynect = support for Obama = support for "Obamacare" = 30% in the very polls that iwog had claimed "prove" the opposite. I had addressed the others before.

And, as I said:

curious2 says

LOL - the only thing that ever made Obamneycare poll majority support was the Republicans proposing something even worse. Prior to that time, it polled around -10 year after year, through multiple elections when Democrats lost everything.

You have now copied and pasted a redundant example from WaPo corroborating what I said, just as iwog cited a Time article corroborating what I said, but in your minds they somehow prove me wrong. Here is a quotation from iwog's Time link:

"[In 2017,] More Americans hold positive views...for the first time...49% of people polled favored the law—slightly more than the 47% who opposed it...every previous poll has seen more people oppose the law, CNN reports. It was the first time in at least 18 polls since March 2010 that people favored the healthcare law, according to CNN."

That corroborates what I had said above. All you have proved is that you're hallucinating a disproof where none exists.

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curious2 says

Then you're obviously lying. Here is what I said:

Why do you think my points (even when people disagree with them) are crystal clear while no one ever has a clue what the hell you're ever talking about?

Kynect? Seriously?? That's all you want to talk about now?

I ask you a question and I'll ask it again and you'll run away from it again. Does the public support a law eliminating pre-existing conditions as a reason to deny insurance? Yes or no?

I'll gladly answer any direct question you put to me but you wont do that either. I know what you are and how you operate.

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