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Dreaming of Califorshithole

By Tenpoundbass   Aug 2, 12:09pm   4 links   1,518 views   65 comments   watch (1)   quote      

http://canadafreepress.com/article/calexit-leader-to-tucker-its-good-that-the-middle-class-is-leaving-californ

nbsp; This would be a great development if you hope never to see another Democrat in the White House, but not so great if you love good Cabernet Sauvignon.It will also, for a whole host of reasons, never happen.Despite that fact, Singam appeared on last night’s installment of the Tucker Carlson show to sing the praises of Calexit. During his segment he twitched, rolled his eyes, looked weird, and said

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1   iwog   Aug 2, 12:15pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

It will probably start to resemble Dubai only with better weather. What a shit-hole that is!

The biggest problem with California is high property prices and the cause of high property prices is Prop. 13 which is a TPB wet dream.

So essentially the biggest problem California has is an essential Republican policy but feel free to keep bitching about it.

2   Tenpoundbass   Aug 2, 12:33pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Don't worry you'll get the Shithole you deserve. They don't even want you there you stupid Cucked sonofabitch.

You'll be the first rolled over on you back and given a pink belly when they drive the middle class(See crackers) out of California so they can replace you with immigrants and head choppers. Livestream that shit will ya?

3   Tenpoundbass   Aug 2, 12:37pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

https://www.ice.gov/tipline#wcm-survey-target-id

If any Americans in California that want to fight for your State.

Remember tip twice finish nice!

4   FortWayne   Aug 2, 1:15pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

The biggest problem with California is high property prices and the cause of high property prices is Prop. 13 which is a TPB wet dream.

No Iwog, cause of high prices is low supply and high demand. There are low property taxes in other places, and property prices are not nearly as high. It's a simple supply/demand problem.

I'm disappointed in you Iwog, I'd expect you to understand a basic thing like that.

5   bob2356   Aug 2, 1:20pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Tenpoundbass says

Dreaming of Califorshithole

Pretty funny for someone living in south florida shithole.

6   Ceffer   Aug 2, 1:22pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Tenpoundbass says

immigrants and head choppers

Does make them good at harvesting iceberg lettuce.

7   iwog   Aug 2, 1:46pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

No Iwog, cause of high prices is low supply and high demand. There are low property taxes in other places, and property prices are not nearly as high. It's a simple supply/demand problem.

I'm disappointed in you Iwog, I'd expect you to understand a basic thing like that.

Hehe...I did laugh at the supply and demand thing. I was attempting to quantify why supply is so low. That's like saying the primary cause of people falling down is.......gravity.

Proposition 13 means that many retirees are stuck in their old family home because moving to a more suitable place, maybe in the woods or maybe an assisted living condo, is actually more expensive than keeping their half acre. It GROSSLY distorts the housing landscape near jobs and instead of tech workers buying houses near the Google complex, they are dominated by retirees in their 70s and 80s who bought the house back 50 years ago and have no incentive to leave.

Prop. 13 also impacts multi-family units. An existing apartment complex with 50 units is stuck with a 1978 tax basis. Basically nothing. A developer wanting to replace it with a 250 unit complex will pay a tax rate that is LITERALLY 2000% what the current rate is for that parcel of land. This is why there are so many dilapidated apartment buildings in San Francisco and Oakland when they could be torn down and replaced with much more efficient projects.

Prop. 13 is horrible policy that makes no sense. It means a struggling young couple will pay a huge tax bill while a retired land-millionaire will pay almost nothing. It means a company that has done business here for 50 years has a massive entrenched advantage while a hopeful startup is fucked. Only a Republican would defend it.

8   Ceffer   Aug 2, 1:48pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

It means a struggling young couple will pay a huge tax bill while a retired land-millionaire will pay almost nothing.

This is a bad thing?

KILL THE BOOMFUCKS! KILL THEM ALL!

9   FortWayne   Aug 2, 1:54pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Proposition 13 means that many retirees are stuck in their old family home because moving to a more suitable place, maybe in the woods or maybe an assisted living condo, is actually more expensive than keeping their half acre.

All old folks I know live in small houses while living on a social security income with a part time job to make ends meet. They've sacrificed all their life for what they have. But as a liberal you think they need to go and dieoff somewhere. Liberals, so humane...

It isn't governments job to force people out of their homes to create turn over for investors either. Your view of big government is a little too left wing, deciding on who deserves housing.

As young people say... epic fail there Iwog, epic fail.

10   SpecialSnowflake   Aug 2, 1:56pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

It GROSSLY distorts the housing landscape near jobs and instead of tech workers buying houses near the Google complex, they are dominated by retirees in their 70s and 80s who bought the house back 50 years ago and have no incentive to leave.

Huh? Couple of mil $$ is not an incentive enough? They can fucking buy the whole Dan's or TBP's neighborhood with proceeds from one fucking Eichler in fucking Palo Alto and still have money to snort coke, gobble up Viagra and fuck whores every day till they are dead or unable to have fun anymore.

11   iwog   Aug 2, 1:58pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Ceffer says

This is a bad thing?

Severely handicapping young couples just starting out with the hope of raising a family then giving a financial advantage to retirees who have a cost of living much lower is a good thing??

I think it's a bloody immoral thing and should NEVER have been allowed.

12   iwog   Aug 2, 2:00pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

All old folks I know live in small houses while living on a social security income with a part time job to make ends meet.

Right......you do realize we're talking about California right? Where a modest family home is worth well over $1 million anywhere near SF or LA or San Diego??

I don't think you are telling the truth unless you live in a trailer park.

13   iwog   Aug 2, 2:01pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

FortWayne says

It isn't governments job to force people out of their homes to create turn over for investors either. Your view of big government is a little too left wing, deciding on who deserves housing.

As young people say... epic fail there Iwog, epic fail.

How about basic fairness of taxing all citizens at the same rate?

Those damn liberals!!!!!!!

Anyway Prop. 13 is nothing more than the right wing deciding who deserves housing. Apparently it's not people who need it the most.

14   SpecialSnowflake   Aug 2, 2:08pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

How about basic fairness of taxing all citizens at the same rate?

Iwog is opening to the idea of flat tax?

15   iwog   Aug 2, 2:13pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Straw Man says

Iwog is opening to the idea of flat tax?

I'm open to the idea of a flat PROPERTY tax because it's a VAST improvement over the current system. Also known as the fuck young people system.

16   SpecialSnowflake   Aug 2, 2:16pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

I'm open to the idea of a flat PROPERTY tax

iwog says

How about basic fairness of taxing all citizens at the same rate?

Why the cherry-picking? Your can't be for basic fairness in one area and against it in another.

17   iwog   Aug 2, 2:19pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Straw Man says

Why the cherry-picking? Your can't be for basic fairness in one area and against it in another.

You're very confused although I'm being extremely clear here. Alternatively you're being grossly disingenuous which isn't a surprise either.

Ideally we'd have a progressive tax for real estate and a progressive tax for income. This is entirely consistent and what I would push for if it was possible.

Under the current system we have low taxes for billionaires and fuck anyone who works for a living.

I'm not cherry picking. I'm advocating for something that might actually pass the legislature someday which would be a flat property tax. It's an excellent first step. I'm sorry you lack the comprehension skills to understand my point.

18   SpecialSnowflake   Aug 2, 2:21pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

You're very confused although I'm being extremely clear here. Alternatively you're being grossly disingenuous which isn't a surprise either.
...
I'm sorry you lack the comprehension skills to understand my point.

These sentence was not contributing to the discussion. Next time I'll mark it as uncivil.

Now, carry on.

19   SpecialSnowflake   Aug 2, 2:24pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Ideally we'd have a progressive tax for real estate and a progressive tax for income. This is entirely consistent and what I would push for if it was possible.

Under the current system we have low taxes for billionaires and fuck anyone who works for a living.

I'm not cherry picking. I'm advocating for something that might actually pass the legislature someday which would be a flat property tax. It's an excellent first step.

Abolishing of Prop13 will fuck many people without offering anything in return. It will also open the residents of the state to massive property tax hikes by legislature dominated by one party known for happily wasting money w/o good return for the citizents , i.e. exactly the situation which lead to tax revolt in the first place.

20   SpecialSnowflake   Aug 2, 2:25pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Straw Man says

These sentence was not contributing to the discussion. Next time I'll mark it as uncivil.

Now, carry on.

So which is it? Disingenuous or you aren't comprehending some simple concepts?

You tell me.

It's fuck you, wogster.

21   iwog   Aug 2, 2:31pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Straw Man says

So which is it? Disingenuous or you aren't comprehending some simple concepts?

You tell me.

It's fuck you, wogster.

LOL Cry me a river.

Straw Man says

Abolishing of Prop13 will fuck many people without offering anything in return.

I see. So fuck fairness. If that young couple wants a house, they can suck a bag of dicks and move back to Alabama. We need those houses for millionaires.

Straw Man says

It will also open the residents of the state to massive property tax hikes by legislature dominated by one party known for happily wasting money w/o good return for the citizents , i.e. exactly the situation which lead to tax revolt in the first place.

California has some of the lowest property taxes in the country. Generally 1% plus another .1 or .2% for local jurisdiction. Your idea of "Massive tax hikes" is nothing more than making everyone pay their fair share with favoritism towards none.

22   bob2356   Aug 2, 2:43pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

The biggest problem with California is high property prices and the cause of high property prices is Prop. 13

Really? And zoning has nothing to do with it? Replacing hundreds of low rise typical bay area houses with with thousands and thousands of units of high rise condo's wouldn't affect the marked? I doubt that. Nimby is the biggest cause of high housing prices. MA, CT, WA, HI, NY, DC, even MN have markets that rival many CA in price without prop 13. How is that?

23   iwog   Aug 2, 2:51pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

bob2356 says

Really? And zoning has nothing to do with it?

I said biggest. I did not say only.

In some ways the zoning problems with California are an offshoot of multigenerational Proposition 13 family homes. The longer you live in one place, the more you desire to assert ownership of your surrounds.

Also when developers want to buy up a block of houses in order to build condos or apartments, it's much harder to buy them out when they have a 35 year old Prop 13 tax basis they would have to give up if they moved.

24   Booger   Aug 2, 3:15pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

the cause of high property prices is Prop. 13

I'm sure that there is more than one reason why properly prices are high in CA.

25   Booger   Aug 2, 3:18pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Severely handicapping young couples just starting out with the hope of raising a family then giving a financial advantage to retirees who have a cost of living much lower is a good thing??

So then you will not be retiring in a state that does not tax Social Security benefits, correct?

26   iwog   Aug 2, 4:53pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Booger says

I'm sure that there is more than one reason why properly prices are high in CA.

I'm sure that was covered. You're the second person to misread "the biggest reason" as "the only reason".

Booger says

So then you will not be retiring in a state that does not tax Social Security benefits, correct?

Social security is going to be such a tiny part of my retirement plan that I'm not making any plans regarding it whatsoever.

27   bob2356   Aug 2, 5:31pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

bob2356 says

Really? And zoning has nothing to do with it?

I said biggest. I did not say only.

and what's the biggest reason in all the equally high priced markets that aren't in CA and don't have prop 13?

28   iwog   Aug 2, 7:44pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

bob2356 says

and what's the biggest reason in all the equally high priced markets that aren't in CA and don't have prop 13?

Wealth disparity. Prop. 13 is pretty effective at enriching the aristocracy but it is by no means the only pathway to driving the cost of real estate out of the ballpark for most people.

I think it's pretty telling that the highest prices in the country and sometimes the world are in California.

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-expensive-housing-markets-in-the-us-2016-9/#25-walnut-creek-california-1

29   FortWayne   Aug 2, 7:53pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Those people would not be able to afford their homes in today's prices because of inflation and government failure.

iwog says

FortWayne says

All old folks I know live in small houses while living on a social security income with a part time job to make ends meet.

Right......you do realize we're talking about California right? Where a modest family home is worth well over $1 million anywhere near SF or LA or San Diego??

I don't think you are telling the truth unless you live in a trailer park.

30   iwog   Aug 2, 7:56pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

Those people would not be able to afford their homes in today's prices because of inflation and government failure.

I think you missed the main point here.

Of course they couldn't afford those homes today because those homes are worth a huge sum of money. Clearly an amount of money so large that they don't have to scrape by on Social Security and a part time job right?

Besides the fact your story doesn't hold up, they are still living in an expensive asset and fucking over their grandchildren.

31   FortWayne   Aug 3, 8:41am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

No one here is fucking anyone over except you commies trying to kick old people out of their houses.

Talk about cruel and evil, epitome of socialism.

iwog says

FortWayne says

Those people would not be able to afford their homes in today's prices because of inflation and government failure.

I think you missed the main point here.

Of course they couldn't afford those homes today because those homes are worth a huge sum of money. Clearly an amount of money so large that they don't have to scrape by on Social Security and a part time job right?

Besides the fact your story doesn't hold up, they are still living in an expensive asset and fucking over their grandchildren.

32   Goran_K   Aug 3, 8:55am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

It will probably start to resemble Dubai only with better weather.

This is funny coming from someone who probably has never been to Dubai, but amazingly accurate.

Dubai has one of the largest illegal immigrant labor forces in the world and because of amount of labor force abuse is off the charts. The government tacitly allows it (while on the surface maintaining that it's illegal) but the underground black market system continues to exist. Sounds exactly like California.

33   Ceffer   Aug 3, 8:58am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The brats also have prop 13 advantages. They have to pay down their mortgages and WAIT for appreciation, just like their parents did.

34   lostand confused   Aug 3, 9:40am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Prop 13 was there when the market crashed a few short years ago. Prices were very reasonable then. Prop 13 didn't magically make prices rise. NYC does not have prop13 -prices are there. How are the prices in Barstow , CA-did prop 13 make them unreasonable?

Now commercial and rental properties can be removed, but primary-oh well.

35   errc   Aug 3, 10:11am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

How did they ever dream up, and pass, Prop 13.

It just sounds ridiculously stupid.

36   zzyzzx   Aug 3, 10:13am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

bob2356 says

Pretty funny for someone living in south florida shithole.

If I had my pick of South Florida or California, I'd pick South Florida. Having said that, I will probably retire in Delaware or maybe north Florida near Jacksonville.

37   zzyzzx   Aug 3, 10:15am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Doesn't Florida have something where property taxes can only go up 3% per year, once you have bought the house?

38   lostand confused   Aug 3, 10:18am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

How did they ever dream up, and pass, Prop 13.

It just sounds ridiculously stupi

If they had a prop system in IL , I think prop 13 would sail. When you are paying 14k for a 380k house-and get the same service as someone paying 3k for 380k house in another state-people will get angry.

39   zzyzzx   Aug 3, 10:20am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Social security is going to be such a tiny part of my retirement plan that I'm not making any plans regarding it whatsoever.

Good for you! But I've noticed in my research that several of the potential retiree states that I am considering don't tax Social Security benefits also seem to have other retiree benefits, like lower property taxes, and a generous deduction for retiree income (if they even have state income taxes).

40   zzyzzx   Aug 3, 10:21am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

lostand confused says

When you are paying 14k for a 380k house-and get the same service as someone paying 3k for 380k house in another state-people will get angry.

Fixed:
When you are paying 14k for a 380k house-and get the same service as someone paying 3k for 380k house in another state-people will move,

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