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Brave engineer at Google states biological facts

By Patrick   Aug 7, 9:04am   6 links   5,709 views   319 comments   watch (1)   quote      

Woohoo! There is a small break in the dam holding back scientific truth about gender.

http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

A software engineer’s 10-page screed (sic) against Google’s diversity initiatives is going viral inside the company, being shared on an internal meme network and Google+. The document’s existence was first reported by Motherboard, and Gizmodo has obtained it in full.

In the memo, which is the personal opinion of a male Google employee and is titled “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber,” the author argues that women are underrepresented in tech not because they face bias and discrimination in the workplace, but because of inherent psychological differences between men and women. “We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism,” he writes, going on to argue that Google’s educational programs for young women may be misguided.

And some delightful nuggets of truth which have so far been repressed by shaming, straw-man exaggerations, and even firing of anyone with the balls to speak:

TL:DR

Google’s political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety, but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.
This silencing has created an ideological echo chamber where some ideas are too sacred to be honestly discussed.
The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this ideology.
Extreme: all disparities in representation are due to oppression
Authoritarian: we should discriminate to correct for this oppression
Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.

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280   Dan8267   Aug 12, 3:18pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

This has nothing to do with 9/11, there is no parallel.

The parallel is that religious beliefs cause people to behave irrationally. Religious brainwashing of children causes them to lose a gripe on reality that persists into adulthood.

281   PeopleUnited   Aug 12, 3:34pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

civility can exist in the midst of disagreement.

Practice what you preach.

Dan you happen to be the most uncivil person posting on this thread. When you pull the beam out of your eye... we can talk.

282   PeopleUnited   Aug 12, 3:37pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rin says

PeopleUnited says

The wisdom you have shared is appreciated.

What a liar. In other words, other religions are bullshit, including Zoroastrianism which had the savior thing in it, centuries before Christ.

So the next lines are ...

PeopleUnited says

Jesus however, was not influenced by anything other than His relationship with His heavenly father and the Holy Spirit, His experience on earth as a human, and the Word of God which he meditated on. Jesus was not a capable of lying and if He thought people should study some other source of wisdom than the Bible He would have said so.

Yes, Patrick and others,

Rin, I sincerely appreciate truth no matter who said it. And I sincerely despise lies which is what it would be to equate Jesus with a man who learned from Zen teachers. So I appreciate any truth you have to share. But the gist of your message is that you are pissed about someone having faith that you don't understand. I'm not asking you to like it, but I would ask you to consider what you will say to God when you meet Him.

283   PeopleUnited   Aug 12, 3:38pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

God only knows.

You are still dodging the question because it clearly demonstrates an unequivocal downside to the lie of the afterlife.

The only downside to the afterlife is for those who are guilty.

284   Rin   Aug 12, 3:46pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

But the gist of your message is that you are pissed about someone having faith that you don't understand. I'm not asking you to like it, but I would ask you to consider what you will say to God when you meet Him.

Actually, I think that it's you who knows shit.

And no, I'm not afraid of dying at the age of [ 80 to whenever ] and meeting those entities in the so-called "light".

Christians, like New Agers, are also channeling entities and these things have fooled countless humans including you.

285   Heraclitusstudent   Aug 12, 3:46pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

The only downside to the afterlife is for those who are guilty.

You're guilty of drooling self-righteousness.

286   Rin   Aug 12, 3:55pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Cut/Paste for others on this thread. I'm done with this boring discussion.

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Many centuries before Christianity, the ancient Persians (READ: Not Muslim, but Zoroastrian) had an Avestan term for Savior, the Saoshyant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saoshyant

And then, in their own 'Book of Revelations', ok, it wasn't called that before the Roman Empire ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frashokereti

Excerpt: "At the end of the "third time" (the first being the age of creation, the second of mixture, and the third of separation), there will be a great battle between the forces of good (the yazatas) and those of evil (the daevas) in which the good will triumph. On earth, the Saoshyant will bring about a resurrection of the dead in the bodies they had before they died. This is followed by a last judgment through ordeal. The yazatas Airyaman and Atar will melt the metal in the hills and mountains, and the molten metal will then flow across the earth like a river. All mankind—both the living and the resurrected dead—will be required to wade through that river, but for the righteous (ashavan) it will seem to be a river of warm milk, while the wicked will be burned."

287   Dan8267   Aug 12, 3:59pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

PeopleUnited says

The only downside to the afterlife is for those who are guilty.

So you're saying that 12-year-old girl's suicide has no downside? Wow, that's a crappy thing to say.

288   PeopleUnited   Aug 12, 4:00pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rin says

Actually, I think that it's you who knows shit.

And no, I'm not afraid of dying at the age of [ 80 to whenever ] and meeting those entities in the so-called "light".

Could you elaborate? I don't catch your meaning or reasoning?

289   Rin   Aug 12, 4:03pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

Could you elaborate? I don't catch your meaning or reasoning?

Of course, because you don't know the truth. And thus, I don't have to explain it to you.

Remember, even Christians say ... it's about faith. If it can't perceive it then you're not ready for it.

290   PeopleUnited   Aug 12, 4:04pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Heraclitusstudent says

PeopleUnited says

The only downside to the afterlife is for those who are guilty.

You're guilty of drooling self-righteousness.

Do you mean to imply that I claim to have my own righteousness? Not so. I have no misunderstanding about it. My only chance is forgiveness.

What does your accusation say about you?

291   PeopleUnited   Aug 12, 4:06pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rin says

PeopleUnited says

Could you elaborate? I don't catch your meaning or reasoning?

Of course, because you don't know the truth. And thus, I don't have to explain it to you.

Remember, even Christians say ... it's about faith. If it can't perceive it then you're not ready for it.

I still don't follow you, at what point would you feel the need to "explain it to you"?

What does faith mean to you?

292   PeopleUnited   Aug 13, 6:57am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

The only downside to the afterlife is for those who are guilty.

So you're saying that 12-year-old girl's suicide has no downside? Wow, that's a crappy thing to say.

That is not what I said. Her death is a tragic. Just as the death of those protestors this week. Unfortunately humans do tragic things. In fact, you may unknowingly have caused the death of someone. That would be tragic too. My comment was about the afterlife, the only downside to the afterlife is that most people choose to die in their sins.

293   Roidy   Aug 13, 7:45am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patrick says

Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership.

Gentle Reader,

Differences in gender traits could explain the absence of an approx 50% representation in tech and leadership. Sure. Still, I'd have been very careful about expressing any opinion like that to my mother. She had a PhD in Mathematics and worked in the computer field for nearly 30 years. I really wish she was still alive. I KNOW she would have very sweetly and deftly torn this Google engineer's ears off if he didn't have hard-nosed research to back this up. Peer-reviewed and published research.

Regards,
Roidy

294   FortWayne   Aug 13, 9:51am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Argg

295   Dan8267   Aug 13, 11:02am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

The only downside to the afterlife is for those who are guilty.

So you're saying that 12-year-old girl's suicide has no downside? Wow, that's a crappy thing to say.

That is not what I said. Her death is a tragic.

It's only tragic if there is no afterlife. Clearly deep down either you don't believe it's a tragedy that she committed suicide or you don't believe in heaven. You can't have it both ways. If she's in paradise experiencing eternal bliss with her father, it's not a tragedy. That's why the afterlife myth is so stupid. It tries to take the sting out of death and fails while taking the meaning out of life.

296   PeopleUnited   Aug 13, 12:57pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

The only downside to the afterlife is for those who are guilty.

So you're saying that 12-year-old girl's suicide has no downside? Wow, that's a crappy thing to say.

That is not what I said. Her death is a tragic.

It's only tragic if there is no afterlife. Clearly deep down either you don't believe it's a tragedy that she committed suicide or you don't believe in heaven. You can't have it both ways. If she's in paradise experiencing eternal bliss with her father, it's not a tragedy. That's why the afterlife myth is so stupid. It tries to take the sting out of death and fails while taking the meaning out of life.

You are wrong again as usual. Her death is tragic. No one ever wants to see a child die. That is the tragedy. It is always preferable to live a long productive life, then die and go to heaven. It is tragic also that you fail to recognize this. Your lack of understanding is on full display once again.

297   Dan8267   Aug 13, 2:11pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

You are wrong again as usual. Her death is tragic. No one ever wants to see a child die. That is the tragedy.

Then why does your god allow children to die of cancer and other diseases?

PeopleUnited says

It is always preferable to live a long productive life, then die and go to heaven.

No, actually, it wouldn't be if heaven or hell were real. There is nothing in a mortal life that would warrant risking the loss of eternal happiness or the infliction of eternal torture. If either heaven or hell were real, nonetheless both, it would be a moral imperative to kill all babies before they were old enough to sin and risk their immortal souls. It would be damn evil to allow their souls to be jeopardized.

The fact that you don't believe it's more moral to kill babies than to allow them to live indisputably proves that deep down inside, you know everything about your religion and the afterlife is a lie.

This is why religion needs to be opposed. If people act on the lies of religion, they do the wrong thing. They make decisions based on incorrect information, and that means they make bad decisions.

You cannot have it both ways. If you want to remove the sting of death with the lie of eternal life, then you remove the importance of staying alive as well.

298   PeopleUnited   Aug 13, 2:46pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

You are wrong again as usual. Her death is tragic. No one ever wants to see a child die. That is the tragedy.

Then why does your god allow children to die of cancer and other diseases?

Death is a result of the curse of sin. Unfortunately no human, including children are immune to the curse.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

It is always preferable to live a long productive life, then die and go to heaven.

No, actually, it wouldn't be if heaven or hell were real. There is nothing in a mortal life that would warrant risking the loss of eternal happiness or the infliction of eternal torture. If either heaven or hell were real, nonetheless both, it would be a moral imperative to kill all babies before they were old enough to sin and risk their immortal souls. It would be damn evil to allow their souls to be jeopardized.

Actually it is a moral imperative NOT TO kill babies, which is why Christians speak out on the evil of abortion. You may have read the 10 commandments? There is one regarding murder. It is a true moral imperative.

It is not moral to kill someone in hopes of sending them to heaven. You are either being daft or simply have no concept of true morality.

Dan8267 says

You cannot have it both ways. If you want to remove the sting of death with the lie of eternal life, then you remove the importance of staying alive as well.

Again you demonstrate your lack of knowledge or even basic logic. The time you spend on this earth IS important. It is time to decide to serve God or go your own way. It is time to use the gifts God has given you to serve Him. God gives us a choice. That is why life is so precious, it is the time you have to make your choice. After death there are no choices to be made. This life is the only opportunity you will have to accept or reject the purpose for which you were created.

Right now, as we type and read and go about our lives, God is preparing a place for those who have accepted Him as their Savior. The mere presence of Heaven however does not lessen the importance of life on earth. In fact, as I mentioned above the importance of staying alive is increased by the reality of Heaven. Every person should strive to teach others to make the right choice regarding God, and that is why this life IS SO IMPORTANT. When you are dead, your opportunity to do God's will is ended.

The Lord wants all humans to go to Heaven, but He wants them to decide if that is what they want. In Heaven people will be worshiping God all the time, for eternity. If people are not interested in doing that here, they won't find Heaven to their liking either. That is why God gives us a choice.

Joshua Chapter 14 "And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

299   Rin   Aug 13, 3:15pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

This life is the only opportunity you will have to accept or reject the purpose for which you were created.

Says the infant who'd died of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.

That's right, he was able to determine if this nasty faux spiritual entity was GOD and not some so-called demon, pretending to be him.

300   Rin   Aug 13, 3:27pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan, I know you don't believe this, but ppl like PU are channelers. They have these energetic entities attached to them, pretending to be emissaries of GOD and then, they develop these self-righteous attitudes believing that they'd trumped ppl like you.

In time, scientists will discover their true nature and wipe 'em out,

301   Dan8267   Aug 13, 4:26pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

Death is a result of the curse of sin.

Then your god is evil.

302   FortWayne   Aug 13, 4:36pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

You don't believe in god and evil
Therefore your claim of evil on this subject is worthless and hypocritical Dan.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Death is a result of the curse of sin.

Then your god is evil.

303   Dan8267   Aug 13, 5:01pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

FortWayne says

You don't believe in god and evil

Your false god has nothing to do with good and evil. Good is helping others. Evil is hurting others. No god, no soul, no supernatural bullshit needed.

304   TwoScoopsMcGee   Aug 13, 7:25pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I can't figure out why a kid would be born just to die from Black Plague or Cancer at the age of 3, if God is all Good.

In an imperfect universe governed by evolution and evolutionary mistakes, makes sense. In a universe governed by an all good God, seems incompatible with "all good".

305   BlueSardine   Aug 13, 8:18pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The same can be said of the johns that propagate STD's. ..

Rin says

In time, scientists will discover their true nature and wipe 'em out,

306   BlueSardine   Aug 13, 8:20pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Nope . It's who the kid fucked over in the Guf that bought him a short ticket here...

Rin says

PeopleUnited says

This life is the only opportunity you will have to accept or reject the purpose for which you were created.

Says the infant who'd died of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.

That's right, he was able to determine if this nasty faux spiritual entity was GOD and not some so-called demon, pretending to be him.

307   BlueSardine   Aug 13, 8:25pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Nope, completely wrong.
It's getting tiring correcting you all the time.
If heaven or hell were real, then you would also have to include the dogma that everybody is born with original sin. In essence there would be no living human on earth that has not sinned, ever. So no moral imperative to kill anything.
Please start writing factual shit so I can take a break. Thanks.

Dan8267 says

If either heaven or hell were real, nonetheless both, it would be a moral imperative to kill all babies before they were old enough to sin and risk their immortal souls.

308   Dan8267   Aug 13, 9:42pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

BlueSardine says

If heaven or hell were real, then you would also have to include the dogma that everybody is born with original sin. In essence there would be no living human on earth that has not sinned, ever.

I don't even know what the fuck you are trying to say, but if Hitler is in hell then his mother would have done him a favor by smothering him to death right after birth. Or are you saying everyone goes to hell regardless of what they do?

309   Patrick   Aug 14, 12:12pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Decent article by a woman in tech makes some good points:

After diversity attempts at large companies and my own startup and the attempts to start tech early with my own children, I can tell you that our obsession with diversity and attempts to solve it are only fucking it up for the actual women in tech out there!
What do I mean by this?
We get upset about the state of gender diversity in tech
We make a pact to hire more women
The pool has (a lot) more men than women
After some rounds of low to no success, we start to compromise and hire women just because we have to
These women show up at work and perform not as great as we want them to
It reinforces to the male population that was already peeved by the diversity push that women aren’t that good at tech after all
They generalize that observation on the entire women in tech community
Sooner or later, some such opinions get out there
The feminists amongst us go crazy
The diversity advocates are caught in a frenzy and make a pact to hire more women (again)
This loops. Infinitely.

https://medium.com/the-mission/im-an-ex-google-woman-tech-leader-and-i-m-sick-of-our-approach-to-diversity-17008c5fe999

310   Dan8267   Aug 14, 1:01pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patrick says

1) After some rounds of low to no success, we start to compromise and hire women just because we have to

2) These women show up at work and perform not as great as we want them to

3) It reinforces to the male population that was already peeved by the diversity push that women aren’t that good at tech after all

4) They generalize that observation on the entire women in tech community

Line four is justified because of lines 1 and 2. It's a valid generalization. If it weren't, the people hiring women just for the sake of hiring women would not have to compromise and and hire low talent.

It's like saying, we tried to find a lead-based face paint that wasn't toxic, but we couldn't, so we compromised and put leaded paint on our faces and got lead poisoning. Now people generalize that lead is not a good component for face paint.

Not all generalization is wrong. If it were, then no group could be formed. You couldn't say "Nazis are bad" or "pedophiles don't make good baby sitters" because that's a generalization.

311   PeopleUnited   Aug 14, 6:08pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rin says

Dan, I know you don't believe this, but ppl like PU are channelers. They have these energetic entities attached to them, pretending to be emissaries of GOD and then, they develop these self-righteous attitudes believing that they'd trumped ppl like you.

In time, scientists will discover their true nature and wipe 'em out,

Advocating genocide, that is the exact kind of talk that the Nazis used to justify the Holocaust.

By the way I do not claim to be more righteous than you or anyone. I need forgiveness as much as the next guy or gal.

312   PeopleUnited   Aug 14, 6:09pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Death is a result of the curse of sin.

Then your god is evil.

Are you looking forward to meeting Him? He will prove you wrong, and you will be glad when He does.

313   PeopleUnited   Aug 14, 6:28pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patrick says

Decent article by a woman in tech makes some good points:

After diversity attempts at large companies and my own startup and the attempts to start tech early with my own children, I can tell you that our obsession with diversity and attempts to solve it are only fucking it up for the actual women in tech out there!

What do I mean by this?

We get upset about the state of gender diversity in tech

We make a pact to hire more women

The pool has (a lot) more men than women

After some rounds of low to no success, we start to compromise and hire women just because we have to

These women show up at work and perform not as great as we want them to

It reinforces to the male population that was already peeved by the diversity push that women aren’t that good at tech after all

They generalize that observation on the entire women in tech community

Sooner or later, some such opinions get out there

The feminists amongst us go crazy

Th...

This is the same kind of negative feedback loop that happens with each dysfunctional idea. For example, someone gets the bright idea that you can reduce crime by making drugs illegal and cracking down on small time drug dealers. So drug use is criminalized and the police force is expanded (along with prisons) as a result crime actually goes up because not only are all the drug users criminals, but the people looking to make a quick buck by selling it are criminals. Gangs and Cartels are the only groups willing and equipped to supply the drugs so they are actually empowered and enriched by the prohibition. The Gangs and Cartels start warring with one another for a bigger piece of the lucrative drug trade pie. As the crime goes up someone gets the bright idea we need more law enforcement and a bigger prison. And the cycle repeats.

Affirmative action and prohibition. These are flawed policies because they seek to take away free will from people. God created us all and gave us free will to choose. He does not force anyone to worship Him or choose Heaven. He does not force anyone to reject Him or go to Hell. He gives everyone a choice. We should follow that same pattern with our laws. (I am not saying we need to allow murder, theft, rape or anything like that, but we need to allow people to make their own choices, even if they are self destructive).

314   Dan8267   Aug 14, 6:38pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

PeopleUnited says

Are you looking forward to meeting Him? He will prove you wrong, and you will be glad when He does.

And if it turns out the Hindi was right, then what?

Besides, why wait. If your god is real, he can stop by for tea anytime. He's not a coward, is he? I promise I won't bite.

315   PeopleUnited   Aug 14, 6:53pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Are you looking forward to meeting Him? He will prove you wrong, and you will be glad when He does.

And if it turns out the Hindi was right, then what?

Besides, why wait. If your god is real, he can stop by for tea anytime. He's not a coward, is he? I promise I won't bite.

If you truly invite Him into your heart He will join you.

Jeremiah 29:13King James Version (KJV)

13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

316   TwoScoopsMcGee   Aug 14, 11:21pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Back to the topic for a sec:

What's the One Biological Prejudice Google Execs DO Know and Love?

317   Patrick   Aug 15, 9:22am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Please do say!

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