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Bascially if you are a decent human being, VOX and the Liberals think you are a rightwing scumbag crackpot

By Tenpoundbass   Jul 6, 1:33pm   3 links   3,101 views   111 comments   watch (1)   quote      

This not photo shopped.

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1   Ceffer   Jul 6, 1:49pm     ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike   quote    

In California, being a decent human being is regarded as a severe personality disability.

2   iwog   Jul 6, 1:52pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (6)   quote    

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland."

~ Adolf Hitler

3   Rew   Jul 6, 3:25pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (5)   quote    

Trump: “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive. Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?” (Compare with Obama in Estonia: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/03/remarks-president-obama-people-estonia)

This nationalist and separatist madness will doom Poland and the US.

4   Rew   Jul 6, 3:27pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

For the record, it sounded like an alt-right manifesto because Stephen Miller wrote it. He is a Santa Monica mall rat fascist.

5   BlueSardine   Jul 6, 8:14pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

now that republicans control everything....yes.

Rew says

Trump: “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive

6   Rew   Jul 6, 8:31pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

BlueSardine says

now that republicans control everything....yes

Yes that is the question, or yes the west has the will to survive?

Unfortunately, Western Europe and the West is far more in peril with Trump, and is banding together the remaining sparks of progressive nation state cooperation and alliances. Western Europe's favorability rating of Trump is staggeringly low compared to Obama's.

7   Tenpoundbass   Jul 6, 8:39pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

8   FortWayne   Jul 6, 10:37pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Liberals left common sense long ago. They've spent entire life being stupid, why change now... as long as welfare checks keep coming in and all they don't have to do a thing different.

9   iwog   Jul 7, 12:13am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

FortWayne says

Liberals left common sense long ago. They've spent entire life being stupid, why change now... as long as welfare checks keep coming in and all they don't have to do a thing different.

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland."

~ Adolf Hitler

What do you think about this type of fear-mongering? Trump's or Hitler's?

10   BayAreaObserver   Jul 7, 3:46am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Alt-Reich: North Korea and the Far Right. White nationalists, neo-Nazis, and others are turning to an unlikely ally in their bid to “make the West great again.

For many on the far right, the Korean peninsula’s secretive regime offers an inspiring vision of the future.

“North Korea has much to be admired,” said Matteo Salvini, head of Italy’s right-wing party Northern League, in 2014. “They have a splendid sense of community. Children play on the streets and respect their elders — things that no longer exist in Italy.”

Yet North Korea’s admirers rarely mention Pyongyang’s penchant for torture, extensive gulag system, mass famines, or thriving narcotics and meth industries. These inconvenient details are either deliberately avoided, or they are blamed on the West.

Unsurprisingly, white nationalists’ affections for North Korea stem in no small part from their mutual anti-Americanism. Indeed, the far right’s admiration is an outgrowth of Pyongyang’s opposition to Washington, a government whose promotion of international liberalism is anathema to radical nationalism and the isolationism many white nationalists espouse.

“American imperialism and American militarism cannot abide a country [like North Korea] that wants to be sovereign and that rejects the radical globalist agenda,” Heimbach tells The Diplomat, adding that North Korea has survived despite being a “pretty universal punching bag” among Western governments.

Even Russia’s Alexander Dugin, an ideologue for white nationalists, has praised Pyongyang as an “island of freedom,” arguing that Russia should provide it with weapons of mass destruction to protect its sovereignty.

“If their weapons take flight, we [the Russian people] should cheer them on!” he says. “To not understand that North Korea is a seed of humanism and democracy in the face of an American occupation is to demonstrate complete and utter ignorance.”

Anti-Semitism is another factor bonding white nationalists to Pyongyang. In an online blog post railing against “global Zionism,” former head of the Ku Klux Klan David Duke writes that “as the Jewish Lobby dictates U.S. foreign policy, North Korea’s hostility toward Israel has made it a target for aggression.” Citing North Korea’s refusal to recognize the state of Israel, Duke writes that “the Jewish-supremacist media” has long singled Pyongyang out for destruction.

An American white supremacist named John Paul Cupp, the son of a fundamentalist Christian preacher, said he received a note from Pyongyang “extend[ing] militant greetings to you who extend warm support and solidarity” to North Korea. With Pyongyang’s apparent support, Cupp even rose to the fore of the U.S. Songun Politics Study Group, an organization dedicated to proselytizing North Korean policy.

Full Article: http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/alt-reich-north-korea-and-the-far-right/

11   FortWayne   Jul 7, 8:47am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

More like Obamas style and Democrats who scream that white man oppressed everyone, rich out to get them, resist bullshit, BLM crap.

iwog says

FortWayne says

Liberals left common sense long ago. They've spent entire life being stupid, why change now... as long as welfare checks keep coming in and all they don't have to do a thing different.

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland."

~ Adolf Hitler

What do you think about this type of fear-mongering? Trump's or Hitler's?

12   iwog   Jul 7, 9:55am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

FortWayne says

More like Obamas style and Democrats who scream that white man oppressed everyone, rich out to get them, resist bullshit, BLM crap.

Seriously? That's odd because what Trump said and what Hitler said are almost identical while the BLM crap rhetoric sounds nothing like it.

13   socal2   Jul 7, 10:17am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

For the record, it sounded like an alt-right manifesto because Stephen Miller wrote it. He is a Santa Monica mall rat fascist.

Love of Western Civilization is now considered racist or fascist for Progressives?

A good chunk of the political Left have totally lost their minds to this SJW nonsense.

14   iwog   Jul 7, 12:19pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

socal2 says

Love of Western Civilization is now considered racist or fascist for Progressives?

Nope, however claiming a "threat" that kills fewer Americans than tornadoes very year should be the basis of extraordinary policy change and draconian protectionist measures however is absolutely considered fascist.

Do you know why the three alliances were always at war in 1984? You should probably go read it again.

15   socal2   Jul 7, 12:22pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Nope, however claiming a "threat" that kills fewer Americans than tornadoes very year should be the basis of extraordinary policy change and draconian protectionist measures however is absolutely considered fascist.

Right - because "the West" is only about America and not Europe which is seeing it's demographics drastically altered by the biggest refugee crisis since WWII?

16   iwog   Jul 7, 12:24pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

socal2 says

Right - because "the West" is only about America and not Europe which is seeing it's demographics drastically altered by the biggest refugee crisis since WWII?

This is about Donald Trump right?

17   iwog   Jul 7, 12:28pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Isn't this just a question about immigration policy? Why the hell is Donald Trump using War rhetoric?

18   curious2   Jul 7, 12:43pm     ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Seriously?

If Hitler said the sky is blue, that doesn't make everyone else who says the same a Nazi.

A succession of American Presidents, from both major parties, have warned that we must protect the American homeland from grave threats. From around 1950-90, they spoke more of Soviet communism, but today any honest count would need to include Islamic terrorism and Mohamed's totalitarian ideology, which commands (1) a religion, (2) the violent overthrow of any government that does not submit to that religion, and (3) the imposition of Islamic bigotry through force of Sharia law. Amazingly, Donald Trump is the only recent President to state the obvious: "Islam hates us." John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and John Quincy Adams knew it, but they succeeded perhaps too well with the Barbary Wars, because most Americans and western Europeans have since forgotten the Islamic threat that plagued Europe and America until the Barbary Wars stopped it.

Recent American foreign policy has empowered Sunni Wahhabi Saudis who "hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children." Shias including Khomeini argued similarly, calling America "the Great Satan" and demanding "death to America." Both base their reasoning on Koran 2:217, which holds that tempting a Muslim away from the Islamic path is a much worse sin against him than it would be for him to kill you. It is why Islamic violence spikes during the "holy" month of Ramadan: if a non-Muslim drinks a glass of water on a hot day, that temptation might lure a Muslim into a state of shirk, endangering the Muslim's eternal soul; thus, collective self-defense requires Muslims to defend themselves and their religion by killing the disbeliever. Islam was literally invented for the purpose of conquest, and it operated as designed: Mohamed and his personal followers conquered within a few decades a vast empire extending from the Arabian Peninsula east to Persia and west to Africa and Spain. Subsequent Muslims conquered east across Asia to the Pacific, slaughtering more than 60 million people. Islam has not changed, and the Saudi Wahhabi madrassahs around the world promote its most severe form.

American foreign policy empowering Islam would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, undoing the Barbary Wars and endangering not only America but the entire western world and the Enlightenment that enabled western liberty and success. I don't usually side with the more religious Users of PatNet, but they're right about Islam, for reasons that Sam Harris tried to explain: religion is real to them, in a way that the secular left seem often unable or unwilling to understand. Islam is the republic's founding enemy, a principal reason we have the Constitution that we have today: the Articles of Confederation sufficed to govern independently of Britain, but confronting the Barbary States and their Barbary Pirates required the Army & Navy that the Constitution empowered Congress to raise.

19   iwog   Jul 7, 12:52pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

If Hitler said the sky is blue, that doesn't make everyone else who says the same a Nazi.

What separates intellectuals from the rest of the mob is their ability to discern what purpose rhetoric serves.

However you don't have to be an intellectual to understand that Donald Trump is doing exactly what Republicans did after 9/11. It's a power grab. It's justification to spend a trillion dollars fucking Americans into submission. The United States of America is NOT under threat from Islamic extremism. Even if it got 10 times worse than it is now, it would still be dwarfed by issues such as inner city gang violence and HIV and other things we consider minor.

Donald Trump is a blithering fool but many who are watching him and will use his speech are not.

20   curious2   Jul 7, 12:59pm     ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Even if it got 10 times worse than it is now....

Respectfully, I think it was on track to get much worse than that. Within one generation on present trend, Belgium and France will become 20% Muslim. Most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim are already more than 90% Muslim. Islam does not tolerate dissent: the disbelievers end up fleeing or dying, leaving only the Muslims to inherit the land. As more get WMD, 9/11 might end up looking like a tiny warning. As OBL said at the time, first the infidels will lose a finger, then the whole arm. Ultimately the head.

You write a lot about the weather a century from now, but the weather isn't trying deliberately to kill us. With Moore's Law continuing at least for the foreseeable future, we have years in which to develop orders of magnitude better solutions to that issue.

We have no such cause for optimism regarding a doctrine that commands killing disbelievers including especially apostates and blasphemers. To the contrary, FB is reportedly cooperating in the Muslim world plan against blasphemy, cooperating in the prosecution of a FB user who blasphemed and is thus now sentenced to death. TWTR cooperates with KSA to prosecute blasphemers; Saudis own more of TWTR than founding CEO Jack Dorsey. As technology sweeps away privacy, the Islamic threat worsens.

If you don't like President Trump, then name another candidate who has the courage to speak candidly about Islam and endure the slings and arrows of MSM mouthpiece wrath. And calling him a "fool" is contrary to observable evidence; whether you like him or not, he is obviously very smart.

The Constitution was initially denounced as a power grab by people who preferred the Articles of Confederation. You have a point that a system that empowers ambitious people can tend to result in more power grabs, but again, name another candidate who can even talk candidly about Islam. I don't know how well or badly he will do, but he has three years in which to try.

21   Quigley   Jul 7, 1:48pm     ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

What separates intellectuals from the rest

Is their disconnected life from the consequences of their thoughts. It's easy to pie-in-the-sky ideas on what would be the ideal future for humanity, but unless realities of human nature are factored in, it's a GIGO state of mind. That's why climate models never predict future climate, why mass Muslim immigration as a "multicultural enlightenment" ends in riots and terror, and thats why communism puts everyone in the poor house.

All the best wishes and most profound thoughts can't do jack against one ugly fact.

Islam is the greatest enemy that Western Civilization has ever faced. Our ancestors fought and won that battle. But the people today might be way too tolerant and milquetoast to oppose a threat like this. The problem is, without opposition, the most intolerant of ideologies always ALWAYS wins!

So take your tolerant ideals and stick them where your hemorrhoids start. We don't need tolerance of hateful ideologies, even if they do fancy themselves a religion.

22   zzyzzx   Jul 7, 1:57pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

23   iwog   Jul 7, 1:57pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

curious2 says

Respectfully, I think it was on track to get much worse than that. Within one generation on present trend, Belgium and France will become 20% Muslim.

Yup and again you are talking about an immigration issue that doesn't require any further government intervention. However watch and see what happens. We'll see more draconian steps to curtail freedom like what just happened in Germany.

Quigley says

Islam is the greatest enemy that Western Civilization has ever faced.

This is the kind of bullshit I was talking about. It's not a great enemy, it's a powerless enemy. The strength of ISIS and other radicals comes from poverty and despair. They kill a few Westerners because that's about the only thing they can actually accomplish in life. In a very real way these are the opening salvos into a class war that WILL be morally justified.

In nations that are not impoverished, Muslims get along just fine with everyone else. How many terrorist attacks are there in Dubai?

24   TwoScoopsMcGee   Jul 7, 2:02pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Extremist neoliberals still have no answer why mass immigration is so necessary. It seems automation and natch pop decline in the West are nicely balanced. Why the desperate import of middle easterners?

Again, the only answer I can see is fear of better living standards in the form of a more pro-labor income distribution and worse environment for landlords and service businesses (which are largely domestic and has less beating on intl competitiveness, only less share of income to the asset owners)

25   iwog   Jul 7, 2:03pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Extremist neoliberals still have no answer why mass immigration is so necessary.

It's not necessary and should be stopped. There is no political will on the left or the right to do anything about it.

26   curious2   Jul 7, 2:03pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

what just happened in Germany.

What are you referring to - did they criminalize blasphemy against Islam as "hate speech"? Denmark is currently prosecuting a blasphemer for having burned a Koran and uploaded video to FB, after the Danish government had previously featured on government TV an artist who burned a Bible.

iwog says

How many terrorist attacks are their in Dubai?

How many people use their own living room as a toilet? Muslims finance and empower Sharia at home and terrorism abroad.

iwog says

The strength of [ISIL/Daesh] and other radicals comes from poverty...

That false assertion has been repeatedly disproved, including links on Patnet. Among Muslims, wealth and education increase the risk of terrorism. Remember OBL had been given more than USD $10 million and a university education by his 20s, and then started his career as a terrorist. His lieutenant is a doctor, Ayman Al-Zawahiri.

27   curious2   Jul 7, 2:05pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Why the desperate import of middle easterners?

Petrodollar baksheesh driving hijrah. Notice they don't pay to import Hindus or even Shia, only Sunnis. The Obama administration deported a record number of Christians, while importing a record number of Muslims (almost exclusively Sunnis, of course).

28   TwoScoopsMcGee   Jul 7, 2:06pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

There is the drive on the voting base of the right, but absolutely none on the left as the college Ed Base fervently believes in diversity at any cost and the Dem power base profits from imported labor. The rep power base likes cheap cannery and fast food employees too of course

29   iwog   Jul 7, 2:11pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

That false assertion has been repeatedly disproved, including links on Patnet.

Very sorry but no, no it hasn't.

curious2 says

Among Muslims, wealth and education increase the risk of terrorism.

Which obviously contradicts the clear examples of Dubai, Kuwait, Jordan, and other mostly secular Islamic states. Of course you're going to say "BIN LADEN!" to which I will say who cares.

curious2 says

What are you referring to - did they criminalize blasphemy against Islam as "hate speech"?

They criminalized hate speech. It's a gun that points both ways. That's the problem.

30   curious2   Jul 7, 2:15pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

iwog says

Very sorry but no, no it hasn't.

It has. You didn't wait for the links, which are there now.

iwog says

Of course you're going to say "BIN LADEN!"

When you try to predict what I'm going to say, you're almost always wrong. I was going to refer you back to my question: how many people use their own living room as a toilet? Kuwaitis did work for OBL in the 9/11 hijackings, and others joined the Islamic State. As I said before, Muslims empower and finance Sharia at home, and terror abroad. The Koran says to kill the disbelievers, of whom very few remain or dare say what they believe in most Muslim countries, and subjugate the Christians and Jews. Asia Bibi and the FB user on death row don't get counted as terrorism, nor even murder, because killing blasphemers is the law in Pakistan.

31   iwog   Jul 7, 2:41pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

curious2 says

When you try to predict what I'm going to say, you're almost always wrong

Except I was right. I usually am.

curious2 says

I was going to refer you back to my question: how many people use their own living room as a toilet?

You'll have to prove your case. A trite cliche isn't a case.

32   curious2   Jul 7, 2:50pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

curious2 says

When you try to predict what I'm going to say, you're almost always wrong

Except I was right.

Only because you changed the context. I had no intention of mentioning OBL. So, if you were trying to manipulate me into mentioning him, then I guess you succeeded. Congratulations on that, as he and other examples disprove your case about poverty.

iwog says

curious2 says

I was going to refer you back to my question: how many people use their own living room as a toilet?

You'll have to prove your case. A trite cliche isn't a case.

You'll have to answer the question. Meanwhile, in most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims demand Sharia. If you imagine the countries you listed are secular as you claimed, then please go there and try blaspheming: when Kuwait sentences you to death as per Islam, you might save your life by apologizing to them and accepting five years in prison, and save your dignity by apologizing to me (and I will forgive you with no penalty). As I said, Sharia at home, terror abroad.

Experience has taught me now is the time to stop, because in the heat of the moment you never stop arguing an indefensible position. I hope on a calm day you might come back and read and learn.

33   justme   Jul 7, 3:19pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

>> Trump: Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders?

Well, do ya, punk?

34   justme   Jul 7, 3:21pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Nice propaganda from the right-wing: It is not that the liberals do anything wrong, but that they look at you funny and do not respect you properly!

Seems to work. Has worked for over 30 years now, if not much longer.

35   iwog   Jul 7, 4:41pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

curious2 says

You'll have to answer the question. Meanwhile, in most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims demand Sharia. If you imagine the countries you listed are secular as you claimed, then please go there and try blaspheming:

Straw man. The question wasn't about strict penalties for transgression or even blasphemy. The issue at hand is what causes terrorism and more specifically terrorism exported to the West.

Maybe if you stopped listening to the drumbeats of war and started to listen to experts on the subject, you might figure it out. The overwhelming trait that the terrorists possess is a general hopelessness towards the future. This is why ISIS endorses rape and sex slavery. They are DESPERATELY trying to find a reason to live when all the Quran offers is a reason to die.

Terrorism will increase regardless of what the West does to stop it. The great globalist experiment will continue. We are all mice in a global mouse-utopia study.

36   iwog   Jul 7, 4:42pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

curious2 says

You'll have to answer the question.

I answered the question. Dubai can accurately be said to have a 100% Islamic government. Who's getting blown up in Dubai?

37   lostand confused   Jul 7, 4:50pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

The strength of ISIS and other radicals comes from poverty and despair. They kill a few Westerners because that's about the only thing they can actually accomplish in life. In a very real way these are the opening salvos into a class war that WILL be morally justified.

Oh please. What do India, USA, Russia, Thailand, Phillipines, U.K, France, germany, bangladesh, pakistan, Yemen, iran and a whole host of nations have in common-jihadi bombings and Muslim agression. it is not class war-Bin laden was not poor. Muslims hordes slaughtering and killing and forcibly converting people has been going on for what-a couple of centuries now. the liberal mind is a wonder.

Yeah intellectuals are the first to be hit when jihadis take over.

38   TwoScoopsMcGee   Jul 7, 5:36pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

White nationalists, neo-Nazis, and others are turning to an unlikely ally in their bid to “make the West great again.

What universities, HR Depts, etc does the alt right control? How many do the anti Western alt left multicult? The alt right controls nothing, not even Pepe and kek, who belong to the alt center.

39   socal2   Jul 7, 5:42pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

I answered the question. Dubai can accurately be said to have a 100% Islamic government. Who's getting blown up in Dubai?

Saudi Arabia is the same way - they just EXPORT their ideology and terrorists to other countries.

40   socal2   Jul 7, 5:43pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

Terrorism will increase regardless of what the West does to stop it.

Pretty good argument to not allow massive numbers of Muslim immigrants into your country then - right?

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