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  • On 1 Sep 2014 in The poorest city of it's size in California, dodgerfanjohn said:

    lostand confused says

    I just find it odd, that they have so many illegals and so much welfare in CA. Can't you point the chronic welfare case and say-hey take the illegal's job or you lose benefits. If somebody had to work for a living-they take pride in their homes/stuff. It would kill two birds with one stone-or is that too logical for CA??

    Theres racial overtones to your statement. You just don't know it.

    1.) Essentially, no black will take a farm job. Ever. Its perceived as being too close to slavery. Personally I think thats a bullshit excuse, but as long as the choice is that or take freebies from the govt, guess which one they are taking?

    2.) Try convincing a modern Democrat in California of that. Linking work to welfare benefits makes sense. It was great when Bill Clinton signed those laws into place. But they've since been watered down.

  • On 1 Sep 2014 in The poorest city of it's size in California, dodgerfanjohn said:

    elliemae says

    dodgerfanjohn says

    This is what happens when you deal with your Section 8 problem children by shipping them out to the farthest outlying cities rather than terminate their Section 8 benfits.

    It'd be cool if you could provide a little more info than that blanket statement. Please

    In short San Bernardino is a a crime ridden craphole of a town that at one point in the distant past was an ok place to live. One only needs to look at the disparity in real estate prices by comparing it to neighboring Redlands, which although even further out from LA, features a lower crime rate, better schools, and higher property values. Before one points to the University of Redlands as a factor, you need to be aware that one of the few nice parts of San Bernardino is the area surrounding Cal State San Bernardino. San Bernardino's decline has been exacerbated by relocation of Section 8 residents in LA to outlying desert exurbs and has increased the crime rates in Palmdale, Lancaster, Victorville, Hesperia, and Apple Valley as well. Lower property values = lower govt income, which if the local governments don't respond to by cutting costs...well thats the point of OP's article, correct?

    JH says

    John Bailo says

    sn't the new policy of sending them into cheap suburbs,

    In this case they are not suburbs. Without traffic SB is close to 2hrs from LA. The boom to live in these outlying areas was very fleeting in mid 2000s. Now everyone realizes they are too far, too hot, and house prices do NOT permanently rise

    Oh I don't disagree, but between the places I cited above, you are still talking about a million people. You can call them suburbs, exurbs, whatever. But with trains coming from IE and from Antelope Valley, theres still a whole mess of people that commute into LA from those areas.

    bgamall4 says

    dodgerfanjohn says

    This is what happens when you deal with your Section 8 problem children by shipping them out to the farthest outlying cities rather than terminate their Section 8 benfits.

    Terminating benefits is supposed to help the economy? Tell us how.

    How is it not clear that shipping Section 8 tenants from LA out to those areas has exacerbated the decrease in quality of life in those areas?

    Terminating benefits of criminals on the public dole seems like good public policy to me(If you don't believe they are criminals, why do you think theyre being relocated?)

    John Bailo says

    dodgerfanjohn says

    This is what happens when you deal with your Section 8 problem children by shipping them out to the farthest outlying cities rather than terminate their Section 8 benfits.

    Isn't the new policy of sending them into cheap suburbs, where homes are affordable on 2 minimum wages, better than the old policy of giving them subprime loans for unaffordable homes that they will default on eventually?

    Well, yeah but thats a damned if you do/don't type statement.

    Look...I used to live in N. SFV. Post war neighborhood that was great at one point into the early 80's, one the fringes of gangland through the 80's and 90's, and started to make a comeback in the early 2000's. Mostly Philipinos, newly middle class blue collar latinos(who largely did amazing jobs self remodeling the homes in the area), and senior caucasian holdouts. On the street I lived on, this was exactly the case. My neighbors were mostly friendly, and most houses had at minimum a new coat of paint, mowed lawns, etc. Except one. The largest, but most run down house on the street was occupied by a lady, her daughter, and her newly born granddaughter. They were living there with Section 8 benefits...no one in the house worked. The daughter's baby father would visit frequently. He was a crip gang member. Every weekend, he would also have several members of his gang over. They would deal drugs. A car would pull up, a male would come out of the house and jump into the car and the car would drive off. Less than 5 minutes later, the car would come back, the male would jump out, and go back into the house and the car would drive off. I watched this happen at least five times per night on more occasions than I could count. The cops were called several times and did at least one full stakeout and attempted purchase WITH ZERO ARRESTS. When the cops would talk with the lady who was the primary section 8 tennant, she would say "I don't know who those people are, they just show up and won't leave". LOL like thats even possible.

    The house would have as many as 20 or so people at times. All of the above is in violation of Section 8 rules and is grounds for termination of benefits.

    So one Thursday I felt meh at work and left early in the day. Got home at 1 and saw that there were 4 cars in the ladys driveway, and 3 more parked on the lawn. I called the city's housing department. They asked me how I knew she was on Section 8 and and I told them its common knowledge in the neighborhood...that several neighbors had told me so. They asked how many people were there and I said on weekends, theres always 10, and as many as 20 overnight guests. They asked me how I knew that and I told them about the cars in the driveway, on the lawn, and how street parking gets tight on weekends. I told them that if they came and looked, they would see what I saw. They thanked me and said they'd look into it.

    An hour or so later, a city car came by, stopped in front of the Section 8 house for about ten minutes and left.

    The next day(Friday) I was home from work. The same guy that was in the city car the day before visited the Section 8 lady late in the morning. He had an LAPD squad car with him. They were at the house for at least an hour.

    Monday my neighbor told me that the Section 8 lady was moving to Palmdale. A week later she and the daughter and grand daughter were gone.

    A latino family bought the house about a year later and with the help of family that were construction contractors turned it into the nicest house on the street.

    Point of all this is that:

    1.) None of this should have happened in the first place. The very common abuse of these govt benefits by criminals who are dangerous, lie, and steal, should give everyone pause in handing out ANY benefits. Its exceedingly difficult to explain this sort of situation to someone who hasn't directly lived with it, especially upper middle class and wealthy liberals, because each and every action in a vacumn is very innocuous.

    2.) Multiply this scenario times thousands and you see how shipping all these people(rather than terminating benefits) to targeted areas can make those areas really terrible places. San Bernardino was ground zero for this.

    3.) It should be obvious what the end financial situation for a city like San Bernardino will be.

    Here is a good article on the phenomenon:

    http://www.callawyer.com/Clstory.cfm?eid=923321

    Now I think I'm gonna go kill myself because I just spent 20 minutes writing a Dan sized posting attempting to prove a point on the internet to people whom I don't know and never will.

  • On 1 Sep 2014 in The poorest city of it's size in California, dodgerfanjohn said:

    This is what happens when you deal with your Section 8 problem children by shipping them out to the farthest outlying cities rather than terminate their Section 8 benfits.

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