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- On 19 May 2013
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Robots/AI future, we need a full blown welfare state but not state socialism,
futuresmc said:
Dan8267 says
As for the rest of the original post, I would suggest that an economy based on the principle that all rents are paid to the government and used to provide equal distribution of wealth to all citizens is the ultimate solution to a fully automated economy. In such an economy, there would be little to not wealth disparity as few if any persons are actually producing any wealth.
Equal redistribution gives no incentive to better oneself. Humans need that or we rebel. Like I said before, we're not herd animals. We need unequal redistribution based on merit, as well as a social safety net for all. - On 17 May 2013
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Robots/AI future, we need a full blown welfare state but not state socialism,
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zzyzzx says
I need proof. In fact the only examples I can think of off hand in the modern, but pre-welfare society where a machine replaced people was when the cotton gin was invented. And that resulted in increased demand for labor! Presumably nobody starved to death because if the invention of the cotton gin
Your useless segway into the cotton gin aside, a world without social welfare programs kills and impoverishes a lot of people. You don't need to starve to death to die from poverty. You can go hungry enough so that a night out in cold weather or a simple infection that a healthy, well fed person could easily fend off, takes your life. You can be so desperate that you take work that is hazardous to your health or work in unsafe conditions that get you killed. We have health and safety regulation and social welfare programs because of the misery that preceded them.
Industrialization did create new jobs and new opportunities for wealth, but many didn't survive to see it, not because they were lazy or otherwise undeserving, but because they didn't have the resources to make the transition without dying first.
Thankfully we don't have to live like that anymore. When we do live like that it's because our governments have been coopted by those who put economic gains above the survival of their fellow citizens, not because it's some inevitable force of nature. - On 10 May 2013
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Robots/AI future, we need a full blown welfare state but not state socialism,
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Reality says
What are the odds that, out of hundreds of millions of years history of life on earth, we are born exactly at the cusp of when the fleshy kind is about to be replaced by machines?
It seems to me, the priority kill list for any killer drone would be other killer drones! The fleshy kind is harmless to them.
This assumes ambition and value judgment on behalf of the drones themselves. We fleshy folks (or if you read Asimov, the politically correct term is 'meat') have conflicting programming due to our coder, that being the processes of evolution, changing our function and design over time. That is why we are ambitious and greedy, but also bind ourselves to morals and ethical standards of a group. Don't even get me started on the number of bugs the last ice age inserted into our program. But the end result is a chaos of behavior that drones and AI's won't have. Look at how we are already attempting to use artificial reproductive technology to remove harmful or deadly illnesses from our fleshy offspring's genome. Do you really think we'll program drones and AI's with the same issues evolution left us with?
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