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  • On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, 5:32pm PDT in Why kids today are out of shape, disrespectful and in charge, Indiana Jones said:

    Ironman says

    My guess is that you're not a parent or ever spent any time being responsible for the care of any children. Is that guess correct?

    Your guess is incorrect.

  • On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, 11:52am PDT in Why kids today are out of shape, disrespectful and in charge, Indiana Jones said:

    mell says

    If we can agree that the majority of parents are likely NOT child abusers, then the parents in their study who were spanking their kids likely did so because the kids had a more aggressive nature to begin with.

    You are making an assumption based on ???. What about the assumption that the PARENTS who spanked were more aggressive then parents who don't spank, and NOT the children?

    Let's say a child is aggressive. What real threat is an aggressive three year old to an adult? How much of a threat is a one year old to a parent that they need to resort to physical abuse? Around 50% of one year old babies aren't even walking. There are so many alternative ways to deal with babies and children other then hitting them, but they take knowledge, energy, self-control, time, and patience with the process.
    Ironman says

    Too many parents today won't demand that their kid follow directions. They all want to be their kids best friend, which turns out to be a disaster!!

    They end up raising kids like mentioned in the OP...

    Parents need to ramp up their authority to what ever level it takes when verbal requests aren't followed. Severe punishment, loss of privileges and if needed, physical persuasion to get the kids to follow the rules. If I parent doesn't get control of their kids behaviour at a early age, they'll turn out to be the whiny, disrespectful Millennials we see here at Patnet!

    It doesn't have to be either/or. I agree parents do not need to be their children's "friends". This is detrimental for the child -- the parents needs to be an authority figure, absolutely. But physical punishment isn't the only alternative. You can have authority over your child without having the threat of physical punishment hanging over the childhood. Hitting someone else (adult or child) is invasive, violent and humiliating.

    It's the difference between ruling with fear or ruling with quiet authority. Physical punishment makes children fear that person.

  • On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, 10:57pm PDT in Why kids today are out of shape, disrespectful and in charge, Indiana Jones said:

    mell says

    In fact the few scientific studies show a "mild" opposite of this claim, that is, conditional spanking as a last resort is superior to pretty much all other known approaches. Like this one:


    Your study you cite is from 2005. Here is a more recent nih study in 2013, found on the same page:


    Abstract: This study examined separate and combined maternal and paternal use of spanking with children at age 3 and children's subsequent aggressive behavior at age 5. The sample was derived from a birth cohort study and included families (n = 923) in which both parents lived with the child at age 3. In this sample, 44% of 3-year-olds were spanked 2 times or more in the past month by either parent or both parents. In separate analyses, being spanked more than twice in the prior month at age 3, by either mother or father, was associated with increased child aggression at 5 years. In combined analyses, there was a dose-response association; the greatest risk for child aggression was reported when both parents spanked more than twice in the prior month (adjusted odds ratio: 2.01; [confidence interval: 1.03-3.94]). Violence prevention initiatives should target and engage mothers and fathers in anticipatory guidance efforts aimed at increasing the use of effective and non-aggressive child discipline techniques and reducing the use of spanking.

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