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  • On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, 12:43pm PDT in 4 charts that prove that todays 30-year-olds are NOT adults, MMR said:

    Ironman says

    It's not suppose to. What percentage of college kids go to the top 25?

    High school isn't designed to make good leaders; just good automatons. The problem is, they aren't even doing a good job of making good automatons anymore.

    Jobs can be used to reinforce that.

    Even automatons do some form of work; nowadays, babysitting is the norm.

    As for the question of what percentage of college kids go to the top 25, it would be, probably socioeconomically the top 10% income-wise and even in that cohort, most of the income would probably be distributed in the top 1%.

    Ironman says

    You're way to focused and biased on labels and elitism... Hell, barely 6% of college kids get STEM degrees. They are the minority.

    I agree with your assessment that I am biased; I was raised to be that way. I didn't grow up with much financially, but was acutely aware of how the other half lived, since everyone I was related to/knew socially probably had literally 3-50x more annual income than my family did for decades before maybe the last 10-15 years.

    Outside of professions, I really don't see what opportunities strongly benefit from a college education. And even professions like law, aren't what they used to be, unless you graduate from a top law school. For those studying business outside of top schools, what high-level jobs can they pursue? Can't get into Investment Banking or Management Consulting unless you graduate from Harvard, Yale, MIT, UChicago, Stanford, UPenn

    If you do well on standardized tests and well in undergrad sciences, even at Podunk U, you can get into medical school.

    On a lesser scale, but still well above average in this country, I would say the same for many undergraduate engineering programs as well. There are plenty of free resources to prepare kids in high school for a career in engineering (taking AP courses in physics, chemistry, calculus AB and BC, computer science). Toms River North has all of the above, whereas the school I went in New Mexico had none of the above.

    The idea that all these other jobs need a college education is one of the biggest myths around and one that is very expensive for the suckers who believe in it.

    To compete in the economy and to stop giving jobs to foreigners, more college kids will have to pursue STEM degrees. There are 1.5 million jobs in software alone (not including databases and networks) and only 460K bachelors produced in the last 16 years, 10% of which require an h1-b to continue past graduation.

    In a world gradually moving towards automation, seems like STEM is the most logical choice for the masses to pursue.

    For those who can't do it, trades make sense, as many of those jobs are not easy to outsource. Getting rid of vo-tech is one of the biggest budgeting mistakes made by public schools across the United States.

    Ironman says

    What's better than hands-on experience to know you don't want to lean over a greasy stove for your career? Unfortunately, these useless Millennials never had that real life experience,

    The millenials who are useless are usually useless because they have useless parents, as well; apple rarely falls far from the tree.

    That's what I'm saying; it takes a certain mindset (not tiger mom per se, but along those lines) to hammer the importance of school and reinforce the idea of excellence (academically/athletically) being a 24/7 job. Useless parents leave their emo freak kids to wander aimlessly at the Ocean County Mall. If a person needs to lean over a greasy stove to get the message, it represents opportunities missed to hammer the message home at a much earlier age. I include athletics, because it is a way to pay for college that offers far more potential scholarships than academic scholarships at nearly every university that offers athletic scholarships (most universities have very few endowed academic scholarship opportunities).

    Even spending summers looking for/applying for other private scholarships and maximizing money available for college is at the very least, a part-time job unto itself, even if you don't go the athletics route. But how many kids are going to do that without an iota of guidance?

    How many more McD's jobs are going to be left when minimum wage across the US kicks up to 15/hr?

  • On Thu, 30 Jun 2016, 10:09pm PDT in 4 charts that prove that todays 30-year-olds are NOT adults, MMR said:

    Ironman says

    Yep, that's a GREAT motivator to set some future goals

    when I was a kid in the late 80's to mid 90's, I used to see high schoolers working at McDonalds. While I rarely go to McDonald's today, I notice that the workers there are usually well past high-school age.

    Starbucks is a job that could be done by high schoolers, but I doubt that they would get hired, as most people working at starbucks have at least some college under their belt.

    Maybe more like summer jobs, but girls could probably still do babysitting year-round

    http://www.moneycrashers.com/summer-jobs-high-school-students/

    But then again, I'm biased on the topic; I don't advocate dicking around, but I also don't think that working menial jobs in high school prepares you for the rigors of studying challenging subject material in a top 25 academic environment or even simply fitting into an environment where most of the students are of an elite caliber. Couple of my first cousins once removed (one is a rheumatology fellow and the other is a dermatology resident) did about 1200 hours of volunteer work in the hospital before entering college, in addition to several other activities. They went to Boston University for undergrad and med school.

    Hell, to be competitive for a top ivy-league school, I have to spend my summers preparing for the upcoming year and excelling in standardized exams. You don't get paid for it, but it's definitely work. If the mission/vision is drilled in early, you usually don't have a situation where you have to light a fire under a kid's ass to realize that working menial jobs isn't a future. While that way of thinking didn't necessarily work for me, it has worked for majority of people that I've grown up with or known since childhood who were raised in such an environment. Most became doctors and nearly all are making serious money.

    If I come from a family where I had to work in high school, especially to make ends meet, I'd be much better off at State U and probably do first two years at community college, because that would be the better fit. People in elite schools, for the most part, are snobby, and that wouldn't work in the favor of the 'working kid' making contacts, which is really what going to a 50K/yr school is really all about.

  • On Thu, 30 Jun 2016, 9:27pm PDT in 4 charts that prove that todays 30-year-olds are NOT adults, MMR said:

    Ironman says

    The ones that are still living in mom's basement and working part time at Walmart, even though they have four year degrees

    I highly doubt their four year degrees are in engineering, comp sci, math, bio (pre-med), or even something like finance (particularly from a top 25 school). Maybe they weren't really 'college material' to begin with. And now they have a fair amount of debt built up. Some of that is the kids but a lot of that, especially given that the parents are paying, is on the parents for being ignorant. Not analyzing job prospects for a given major, kids have to learn that somewhere prior to undertaking college.

    Not to be a dick and say 'the world needs ditch-diggers too' , but these kids you're talking about sound like the kind who prob would have been better off doing a trade and making more money than working at lousy wal-mart after being saddled with debt for a 4 year degree with limited value in the marketplace.

    Hell, they could make more money cleaning houses than the pittance paid by wal-mart. Probably 20-25 dollars per hour vs minimum wage at wal-mart. When it comes to cleaning houses, good help is REALLY hard to find. My mom has gone through over 20 cleaning people in the last 14 years in Toms River.

    One of my parents employees (maybe former employee now) for close to 9 years has a daughter who my parents couldn't give a job to because she couldn't make change at the cash register. Unlike her sister, who went from wanting to be a physical therapist to becoming a realtor, she is barely even OCC material.

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