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  • On 23 Jul 2014 in Zombie Lies, Dan8267 said:

    indigenous says

    First of all none of your quotes are Bill Maher's

    Irrelevant. He does say the same thing, but he's not here to debate you. The point is that your "criticism" -- and I use that term loosely -- of his statement that the ACA is not a government takeover is not valid.

    indigenous says

    Yet is delivers

    Your statement is irrelevant because...

    individuals to buy insurance on the private market

    That's why it's not a government take-over.

    indigenous says

    It seems to me for practical purposes this IS what has happened with medicare. Given the trajectory of ALL government programs the ACA will follow suit.

    You are speculating on what might happen in the future and your speculations have no basis in reality. The fact is that none of the republican's predictions have come true. They have all been debunked thoroughly by the swift hand of history.

    indigenous says

    Except many people's plans were cancelled as not complying with fed mandates.

    Plans that were exceptionally bad were invalidated. Whether or not your opinion of this is positive or negative is irrelevant. It's still nothing even remotely close to a government takeover. Therefore, Bill Maher was correct.

    indigenous says

    Dan8267 says

    Employers will continue to provide health insurance to the majority of Americans through private insurance companies.

    We will see but if it is less expensive

    Again, you are deliberately changing the subject to hide the fact that you have not address the one issue you were suppose to after throwing down the gauntlet.

    I don't give a damn about your bitching about how much you dislike the ACA. The issue is whether or not Bill Maher was a comedic hack when he said Republicans continue to lie about the ACA being a government take-over of the health care system. So far, you have not even attempt to address that issue.

    indigenous says

    That is not how they work they regulate them into submission.

    Ditto

    indigenous says

    IOW cronyism

    Ditto

    indigenous says

    Yet still with a $6000 deductible.

    Ditto

    Let's get back to the issue at hand.

    indigenous says

    Give me one point he makes and I will demonstrate (to a normal person) what a mutt he is.

    Dan8267 says

    The Republicans said that Obamacare was a government takeover. In reality, the insurance industry is making record profits.

    Round 1: Indigenous makes a lame, unsupported case that the ACA really is a government takeover. So the republicans are right to say that.

    Dan counters by showing exactly why it's not with ample references.

    Round 2: Indigenous blames Dan for not quoting Bill Maher in his response, as if Bill Maher knew while recording his show that some troll name Indigenous on Patrick.net would be making lame assertions that the government is taking over health care.

    Then Indigenous bitches about particular things he doesn't like about the ACA. Whether or not his gripes have merit is irrelevant as they have nothing to do with the question of whether or not the ACA is a government takeover of health care.

    Dan explains that.

    That brings us to now.

    I'll end this post by showing Indigenous what a real government take over of the heath care system would mean.
    1. No private insurance companies.
    2. No private hospitals or clinics.
    3. All doctors are employees of the federal government.
    4. The federal government sets the prices for health care.
    5. The federal government sets the salary for doctors.
    6. Insurance is no longer provided by your employer for anyone.
    7. All insurance payments and all medical bills go directly to the government.
    8. Your tax dollars pay for both abortions and contraceptives regardless of whether or not you like it.
    9. The federal government decides whether or not you get treatment and what treatment you get.
    10. Private pharmaceutical companies are nationalized. Their assets are ceased. Their board of directors are fired. All employees now work for the federal government. There are no longer any drug patents.

    Now that would be a government takeover of health care. Absolutely none of the above have happened or are going to happen. We are not even remotely close to a single one of those things becoming reality.

    Bill Maher was thoughtful and correct in his analysis. Indigenous just looks like a fool.

  • On 23 Jul 2014 in All books must be approved by the Democrat branch of the FEC now, Dan8267 said:

    This Is How Delusional Conservatives Are

  • On 23 Jul 2014 in Zombie Lies, Dan8267 said:

    indigenous says

    How could you say this is not a government takeover?

    MYTH: The Affordable Care Act is a government takeover of healthcare.

    FACT: The law puts people, not government or insurance companies in charge of their health care. It seeks to increase greater access of affordable, quality health care through state exchanges that provide more affordable choices for individuals to buy insurance on the private market. Politifact's 2010 Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care.'

    Forbes Magazine

    “Government takeover” fears seem to take on several different variations.

    Medicine will be a government run entity – doctors will be employed by the government and care will be paid for by the government.
    All of the doctors will be employed by the government, but insurance companies will still exist.
    The government will dictate what doctors can and cannot do.
    The government will make it so onerous to practice medicine that everyone will quit.
    If the government has one iota of involvement in any form, it is a government takeover.

    None of which has happened.

    Fox News Continues To Falsely Label ACA "Government-Run Health Insurance"

    But the ACA is not "government-run" health insurance. The Affordable Care Act creates exchanges in which consumers can purchase health insurance that will be managed and operated by private health insurers. The Washington Post's Fact Checker blog pointed out that the ACA "builds on the existing private insurance" much like Massachusetts health insurance reform of 2006. Politfact called the claim that the ACA is a "government takeover of health care" the 2010 "Lie of the Year," explaining that the law "relies largely on the free market"

    Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) myths: The “government takeover of health care”

    It’s a bit too generous to use the term “myth” when it comes to the outright lies that have been told about the Affordable Care Act, aka “Obamacare.” But it’s never too late to debunk the baloney being circulated by right-wing media, Obama haters and Republican strategists hoping to turn Americans against a program that stands to help millions of people get access to affordable health insurance.

    One of the biggest myths about the program is that it’s a “government takeover” of health care, and that it’s “socialized medicine.” The facts—the real one, not the fake ones—say otherwise.

    Employers will continue to provide health insurance to the majority of Americans through private insurance companies.
    Contrary to the claim, more people will get private health coverage. The law sets up “exchanges” where private insurers will compete to provide coverage to people who don’t have it.
    The government will not seize control of hospitals or nationalize doctors.
    The law does not include the public option, a government-run insurance plan that would have competed with private insurers.
    The law gives tax credits to people who have difficulty affording insurance, so they can buy their coverage from private providers on the exchange. But here too, the approach relies on a free market with regulations, not socialized medicine.

    Need I go on?

    You have failed to refute Bill Maher's statement.

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