It's not a wage issue. Without illegal labor, most of those jobs we are talking about would need to pay in the $12-15 an hour range to attract workers.
And let's make no mistake...it's not really the farm jobs that are at issue. It's the packaging warehouses and a whole lot of restauarants that are hiring illegal labor. It's stuff Americans are very capable of but just aren't gonna do as long as a state or federal check rolls in each month.
Not knowing Fort Wayne's ancestry, I'll simply play the odds and repeat what I've said before...that most white people in the U.S. Are descended from people who immigrated here post civil war.
Personally, my adoptive families came from Germany after starving in Berlin after WWI and the other side came to escape religious persecution by the Czar in Russia in the late 1800's and early 1900's. My biological bloodlines are German, Irish, and Cherokee. Again descended from people who almost certainly had no hand in slaves and almost certainly were descended from peasant class in Europe(or worse).
The current race discourse in the U.S. Is borderline insanity and does not reflect reality. And TBH I, as well as most Americans, despise racism and truly do believe in the ideals of individual liberties and freedoms. I'll call racism where I see it and the current crop of "Black lives matter" folks are compensated racists.
Oh and Dan, the only systemic cause of poverty these days in the U.S. is generational poverty and ignorance spurred on by dependence on the Federal government for food and shelter. And in contrast to this thread, it actually is more whites in poverty due to this issue than blacks.
This action would result in an immediate economic depression and skyrocketing prices for everything.
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.
In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grandchildren would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs.
It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.
Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.
Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's 4% unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.
In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.
In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.
If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home,' the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.
No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.
In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the ' 18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!
Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!
America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy which currently suffers a $20 trillion debt. $20 trillion debt!!!
At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.
Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country - brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.
Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our greenhouse gases.
Honey, if your ancestors hadn't kidnapped and enslaved Africans and if YOU and your ancestors didn't engage in unethical practices from lynchings to segregation to systematic impoverishing of African Americans, then the very problem your bitching and moaning about, violent crimes of black youths, would not exist. YOU are to blame.
The problem isn't me Nancy, I lynch no one. And I'm sure that asshole didn't ever know a single person who was lynched since 1865 was over a 100 years ago. It's whiny ass liberals like you, who are complete failures in life and in self victimization mentality blame everyone else for your own failures. Hence you got assholes like that murderer in the article who buy into that liberal mentality and go murder whoever they feel like that day in their emotional childish outrage. While liberal excuses come pouring in.
That is true. However, Dodgerfan, the cops are the rule keepers. When an official of a basketball game or an umpire at the baseball game lie, then it is far worse than when the players lie. When the bankers lie it is worse than when the borrowers lie. When the government lies it is worse than when the citizens lie.
Florida has been working on their roads since I moved here in 1985, there has not been one single year, that I-95, the Turnpike or any county connecting expressways, from Jax down to Miami were not being widened or worked on. I can't imagine that you guys living in California paying taxes out the Wazoo, could be so damn stupid that your State Government honkeys can squander road project money like that and lie to you and say "Well it's all of America the roads are falling apart man!".
California is like America's North Korea, the government lies to the citizens and tells them it's worse out there than it really is. Still the citizens looks at their oppressive state and local government as the "Our Dear Leader".
"I sense a lot of hate and anger. Even some racism here."
Way to completely miss the point! We pay a LOT of tax (at least we working people do, perhaps you skate by at 15%) to cover welfare, low income housing, free medical, free lunches, etc the list goes on ad nauseum. We tax payers are on the hook for the low wages and nonexistent benefits employers get away with paying.
Dammit I am tired of paying most of my hard-earned paycheck so that wealthy bloodsuckers can earn a little more money so they can buy up more land and things to make even more expensive.
Food stamps and section 8 housing are corporate welfare in disguise!
It's stuff Americans are very capable of but just aren't gonna do as long as a state or federal check rolls in each month.
I am happy to pay more for my car washes, heads of lettuce and strawberries if my tax burden is lowered to not have to pay for as much welfare and unemployment.........let alone paying for all the social dysfunction that comes with importing millions of 3rd world peasants to pick our crops.
1. Don't want school, little or no training for high pay jobs.
1. Prefers competing low pay service jobs with immigrants.
2. Kick the illegals out and then convert that low pay service job into high pay.
3. ....Without going to school, little or no training
4. And if he happens to be a consumer, he still expects low prices