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  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 17, 2:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

zzyzzx says
Less than half of German submarines and warplanes ready for use


Wealthy Germany needs to spend 2% of GDP on their military before they lay out another Euro for Migrants, or be suspended from NATO.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 17, 5:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Evan F. says
And CO2 is absolutely a poison to animal life at elevated concentrations. Go hang out in a sealed volume of 6% CO2 and see how that works out for you.


6% CO2 in the atmosphere would be massively, exponentially higher than today. We're currently at 0.04% CO2 in the atmosphere.

There's a helluva distance between 400ppm and 60,000 ppm. Consider it took about about 75 years to go from around 300 to 400ppm.

CO2 is absolutely necessary for life on this planet, calling it a pollutant is the kind of ignorant fearmongering one now expects from AGW extremists.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 17, 6:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Here's the Mountain View Police encounter with her, before she shot up Youtube.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 17, 6:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Evan F. says
That is stratospherically fast, compared to historical data. A 75ppm change has normally taken thousands of years.



We only have regular direct measurements since the 1950s, everything else is an averaged proxy. Long term measurements are greatly smoothed proxies, we don't know how for certain in the past if short term swings occurred and how severe they were.

In any case, Even if it goes up 150ppm per century, we've a long way to go, and can solve the problem slowly. The CO2 levels went up by 25-30% and there was barely any movement, maybe a degree C at worst. The previous models from the 80s and 90s, the average of IPCC models had us 3-4C hotter with sea levels rising several feet, neither of which happened. The magic date keeps getting postponed. We aren't even close to understanding the Earth's climate, much less what influence a single factor has on the whole thing.

What other supercomplex modelling by human beings has turned out to be accurate in the past few decades?
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 17, 6:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Just another quick word, to mention the false comparison of some magical "1880-1900" ideal period. The Earth has been a snowball, it's been a hot hell, it's been covered in decaying anaerobic bacterium, it's been 2/3 covered with glaciers, and had times (with higher lifeforms inc. Mammals) when the poles were ice-free year round for millions of years.

There is no reason out of 5B years, why 1900AD should be some kind of "Ideal Period we need to get back to." The 19th Century was actually damned cold.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 17, 6:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

David Hogg demands boycott of Vanguard and Blackrock over Gun Manufacturer stock holdings.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/17/student-activist-david-hogg-calls-for-boycott-of-vanguard-and-blackrock-over-gunmaker-ownership.html

And that's the end of David Hogg's 15 minutes of relevance.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 9:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

More Liberal Flipmode.

Comey went from Heroic Civil Servant who got Hillary off putting State Department Emails on a private server, to the guy who unfairly reopened the Hillary email investigation (after having McCabe pre-write an exoneration letter before they interviewed her, of which no record exists) - ROTTEN TRUMP ENABLER! - back to Heroic Civil Servant after he was fired.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Country Cover of Ministry.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 10:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Not that Trump supporters are really interested in truth and facts, but nobody spied on Trump. There was a FISA warrant obtained against Carter Page.


The FISA warrant allowed for the wiretapping of everybody associated with Page, therefore, the Trump campaign and quite possibly Trump.

The original FISA request was rejected, and then the FBI colluded with FusionGPS to create a fake document (the Dossier) to justify a second pass at getting the FISA warrant, which was received. Bruce (DOJ) and Nellie Ohr (FusionGPS) were key in this.

Unprecedented abuse of the Patriot Act, to spy on the opposition. And Obama, despite absolute protests to the contrary, was regularly briefed.

Don't worry, the OIG report comes out soon. The reason Congress isn't allowed to see it is because it's all going to be used in criminal charges and Sessions doesn't want his key evidence leaking. Can't trust Piece of Schiff not to warn those who will be charged and help craft a narrative in advance.

Some have already guessed at prosecution, which is why somebody had a GoFundMe for Legal Expenses before the charges are filed.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Trump supporters don't know the difference between spying and surveillence.



If the results are used as political fodder, what's the difference?
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 10:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

San Diego joins the Lawsuit against the State of California's meddling in an area they have explicitly no jurisdiction.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/17/san-diego-votes-to-join-trump-administrations-lawsuit-against-californias-sanctuary-city-law.html
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 11:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
One is legal and admissible in court for a start.


And using as political fodder? Don't need to go to court for that shit.

bob2356 says
If no one is doing anything wrong then the surveillence would be vindicating and no one would have to tweet about it. The first rule of law is don't act guilty.



Sure, there's nothing wrong with the President getting Wiretaps on the Opposition Presidential Candidate's Team using a phony dossier as an excuse.

Only a CRAZED RIGHT WINGNUT! would complain about that.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 11:51am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
1. The President didn't get any wiretaps.


Wrong. There was a FISA Warrant, enabling wiretaps, by the Obama Administration DOJ on Carter Page and his associates

LeonDurham says
2. There were no warrants against any campaign


Wrong. Carter Page was affiliated with the Trump Campaign.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

LeonDurham says
3. The dossier isn't phony. Even Carter Page himself confirmed many of the points in his Congressional testimony.


Wrong. The potentially criminal allegations Dossier is largely "unconfirmed" according to no less than the FBI. From the Hooker peeing to Michael Cohen's repeatedly debunked Prague trip (no matter how much WaPo and other "journalist-activists" try to find loopholes that would place him there. Also, Journalists trumpet if some minor, not-at-all criminal part of Dossier is confirmed in misleading headlines, but again none of the collusion allegations have been.
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/15/17233994/comey-interview-trump-pee-tape-russia


LeonDurham says
4. It wasn't used as an "excuse", but as some supporting evidence.


The FusionGPS Dossier was largely a fantastical fabrication, along with a few pieces FusionGPS stole using their access to the FBI Databases they had as a "Research" Contractor. Furthermore the FBI paid Fusion GPS.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/01/russia-steele-dossier-democrats-republicans-216921

They are being sued for defamation by Cohen and others.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/09/cohen-steele-dossier-gps-buzzfeed-332747

Here's another fact: Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for the Oppo Research Dossier, and Comey admits he knew but did not tell Trump (and approved the FISA warrant application based on that salacious Oppo Research Dossier)
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/13/comey-admits-he-refused-to-tell-trump-hillary-clinton-funded-dossier/

Everything in your post is wrong.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 12:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says

Funny, the judge hasn't reprimanded or held in contempt the people who put a phony dossier in front of him to get an bogus FISA warrant. Why do you suppose that is?


Judge likely knew it was political, and worse, texts from Strzok to lover Lisa Page show he was on first name basis with judge.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/27/eric-swalwell-fisa-court-judge-likely-knew-politic/
https://saraacarter.com/explosive-text-messages-reveal-judge-in-flynn-case-was-friends-with-strzok/


bob2356 says
Most judges are furious when prosecutors pull a stunt on them.

I've made this point before, which is why Strzok is doomed one way or the other.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 12:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Oh no not another BLOCKBUSTER report. The excitement is killing me. Say it ain't so joe. How many times can hillary/obama be put in jail? Oh wait, the number is still zero.


Zero, like the amount of evidence Trump colluded with Russia.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 1:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Regardless, the FISA warrant was obtained when Page wasn't even a part of the campaign.


Misleading. The first request was Summer 2016. So weak it was one of the tiny handful of FISA requests to be rejected. How rare is it?
More than a thousand applications for electronic surveillance, all signed by the attorney general, are submitted each year, and the vast majority are approved. From 2009 to 2015, for example, more than 10,700 applications for electronic surveillance were submitted, and only one was denied in its entirety, according to annual reports sent to Congress. Another one was denied in part, and 17 were withdrawn by the government.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fisa-wiretaps/story?id=45913892

The second, approved request backed by the Fraudulent Dossier, was October 21st, 2016. But the application was made in September, while Page was employed by Trump
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
That's false. Do you have a source saying the FISA warrant covers Page's associates?


FISA allows surveillance of the individual and everyone they communicate with. By default.

This was deliberate, to craft an excuse to target a Trump Team member, in order to open the door to more information.

LeonDurham says
Nope, I'm correct. Some is unconfirmed, much is confirmed. And unconfirmed is a LONG, LONG was from "phony" or "dirty". As Trump supporters like to pretend.


What criminal information has been confirmed? Oh yeah, NONE. More Misleading. "Well they got Trump's birthday right" or some shit isn't what people mean by "Some things are confirmed".

LeonDurham says
The (mostly confirmed) dossier was 1 of 40 pieces of evidence used to obtain the FISA warrant. Let me say that again. It was 1 of 40. An astounding 2.5% of the evidence used. Yet Trump supporters pretend it is the only thing used. All disinformation, all the time from Trump and his supporters. That's all they have.


And yet the first request was one of the rare times a FISA Court rejected an application. The FISA Warrant was likely presented as research obtained by the FBI, rather than Opposition Research created by the Jeb and Hillary political opposition campaigns. That and Strzok appears to have been on a first name basis with the Judge.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
So, I was correct then. The FISA warrant was for Page. NOT for any campaign associates.


Wrong! It was on Page, for everybody he spoke to. A backdoor way to spy on the campaign.

LeonDurham says
Lots actually.

Did you read the articles you posted? None of them detail confirmed criminal activities. NONE. In fact the CNN piece is about Russians meeting with other Russians.

LeonDurham says
And reports are that we now have confirmation of Cohen's trip to Prague as well.


Link? A confirmation? Not "He coulda maybe gone to Prague from Italy, but we have no proof, and nevermind the timeline is all wrong."
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 1:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
You keep saying this, but I've yet to see any confirmation of it. Do you have a source that says the FISA court rejected an application?


The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts

Wow, I didn't know it was Four (4). That means no matter how hard the elements within the FBI probably colluded with McCain and others to find something, anything, they could barely get a rubber stamp court FISA for Page.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 1:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
ROFLOL Yes but it was THE evidence. Like hillary was one of 14 people who voted on uranium 1, but damn it was THE vote. You can' t make this shit up.



LOL. Millons were given to the Clintons and Clinton Controlled Foundations by a host of Uranium One players. I'm sure that had nothing to do with any approval.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/hillary-clinton-uranium-one-deal-russia-explainer-244895
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 2:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Anonymous sources = FAKE NEWS.


And two separate sources confirmed the earlier request to Heat Street:
https://archive.is/xFqPB#selection-1067.0-1070.0

Funny thing is, Page was already investigated and not charged years before for his relationship with Russians, yet it was reopened in summer of 2016. And the FISA request named several other individuals, which I did not know until today. Why?

To find a backdoor for spying on Trump, that's why.

Who knew Manafort had ties to Ukraine? Why, the Podestas, who had subcontracted with Manafort to take Yankuvitch money in the past.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 3:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Paging Buffalo Bill... do yourself and us a favor, will ya?


  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 5:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It gets worse:

"Finding the Divine in BDSM"

I learned everything I know about being a domme from my experiences with Abdallah. Abdallah is 32, Egyptian, and Muslim. He comes over once a week and stands by my leather couch. He waits for my command. I sit in a big armchair and tell him to take all his clothes off and fold them and put them by the door. Abdallah removes his dress shirt, undershirt, fabric belt, jeans, argyle socks, and boxer briefs, and folds them as instructed. I tell him to sit at my feet, on his knees. He does what I ask. I tell him to lick my boots. He asks if this is hygienic. Abdallah is afraid of germs. This puts him in a bit of a pickle since he’s also very much a slave. I tell him to shut the fuck up and lick my boots. He does, and then takes them off and holds my feet in his hands. His hands tremble.

I met Abdallah on Tinder. He was looking for a dominant woman to step on his cock. I was looking for a submissive man who would let me step on his cock. He’s here now sitting on the wood floor right across from my chair, on a chain attached to my foot. My foot is on his balls.


Abdallah asks if I want to hear Egyptian music. I say yes.

https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/both-slave-and-pharaoh/finding-divine-bsdm

Whatta stereotype.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 5:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
That is my point here, rich people want semi-slave illegal labor to work in their meat packing plants/mowing their lawns for pennies, instead of hiring Americans and paying a little more.


Some people think that's great, and that the nasty White Working Class deserves to be ground into dust, replaced with People who Understand the Moral Supremacy of the Ruling Class. Not nonsense like Liberty or Democracy, but proper deference to the Patron like it was back home, and grateful for a few scraps more.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 5:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says


ANONYMOUS SOURCES = FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING WITHOUT A NAMED SOURCE. Someone on here once told me that.


Great, we'll see.

Now tell me, what crimes were confirmed by the Steele Dossier? Not Russians talking to Russians in Russia.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 5:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
What did they give the other 8 people in the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States (secretaries of the treasury, state, defense, homeland security, commerce and energy; the attorney general and representatives from the United States Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy) to get their votes approving the uranium 1 deal? Sniper dodged this question for a year. Why is it the politoco didn't mention that 8 people other than hillary had to vote to approve the deal? Politico never even mentioned the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States at all. Just a small, tiny, little, itsy bitsy, minor oversight for such a well know stickler for journalistic integrity (ROFLOL) as politoco. Too funny. You really want to push this nonsense that all the heads of the executive branch voted for the deal because of donations to the clinton foundation? Seriously? Tin f...


So basically, it's not just Hillary, but an entire Democratic Administration's collusion with Russia. I see your point.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 6:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"It's ONLY the European Far Right!" claims Eurocrats.

Uh....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/germany-rap-album-alleged-antisemitic-lyrics-prize-kollegah-farid-bang

These award winners don't look blue eyed and blonde haired to me. Is Farid a classic Nordic Name like Thorskjald?
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 6:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Update: Democrats retain Superdelegates.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 9:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
I asked how much everyone else got paid to vote for in favor of the unranium 1 deal. No one buys only 1 vote out of 9. Crickets chirping. An answer we will never see apparently just more endless regurgitations of the right wing echo chamber doing their parrot like squak, they bought off hillary, awk polly want a cracker they bought off hillary awk polly want a cracker.



That still doesn't mean the Obama Administration didn't collude to give Russia a bad deal.

Nor does it answer why a bunch of Russians and their American compatriots fell over themselves to suddenly donate huge sums to the Clinton Foundation/Initiative during the run up to the vote. The family foundation of Ian Teffler, the owner of Uranium One, gave $2.45M to the Clintons alone.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-ask-fbi-agents-info-uranium-one-deal-n831436

Nor is it unthinkable that the Secretary of State, who was running neck and neck with the current President, exercised a great deal of "Pull" in the Administration, which she extended in order to collect cash. Keeping in mind the Clintons have a massive patronage network


Several of Uranium One’s owners were also donors to the Clinton Foundation, giving $145 million to the charitable foundation, and critics have alleged that Clinton greenlighted the sale to appease donors to her family’s charity.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/hillary-clinton-uranium-one-deal-russia-explainer-244895

And Bill received a $500,000 speaking fee from a Russian bank hawking Uranium One.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
Even the New York Times couldn't Fabreze this turd.

If you think all this money was exchanged out of Charity around the time the Deal was approved, well, Ain't that some Serendipity.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 18, 9:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Do you think the BP or Federales are going to stop a Mexican from returning to Mexico, passport or not?

If either gave a shit, nothing that a Matrícula Consular card couldn't ease. We know that illegals go back and forth all the time.

If anything the Federale probably gets his cell phone out and says "Look for Vasco Rodriguez, I think he's probably got several thousand in US Dollars on him, I just cleared him to cross back into Mexico. Remember my 20%."
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 5:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
IT's a race to the bottom folks. If we're all going to become the pissant peasants and slaves that we should be, the next step is definitely fucking over public workers as much as we possibly can.


You know what doesn't help? "Free Trade" with a country with 19th Century Labor Laws and Environmental Laws that are only enforced if a powerful clique wants to punish somebody.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 11:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Great article, Thanks zzyzzx
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 12:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ohio! Synanon, Father Yod/Source, all guys from Ohio. I think EST/Landmark is a dude from West PA.

Although in fairness there was a cult wave in the LA area in the 20s and 30s, and those guys might have simply been 'moving towards the beacon of light'

Ever notice no cults arise in Londonderry or Murmansk or Nome? Too fucking cold to get naked and waltz around in a toga or guru gear, I guess.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 12:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
How about Sheldon Adelson? Or many others as detailed below.


That still doesn't detract from RC2006's point that Hillary raised more money from the Wealthy, which is a fact.

It was also the first time since the 20s or 30s that Orange County voted majority Democrat.

And the Koch Brothers refused to give Trump a dime, since he talked against wonderful wage crushing illegals and one-sided trade.

Or that the Democrats still arrange for big fundraisers to become superdelegates.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 1:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ah, the belated "Old News" angle. Many of your fellow Trump detractors were of the opposite opinion these past hours and may still be.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 6:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The first suspected Anthrax terrorist, Anton Dilger. While it was never proven, Dilger travelled to most neutral countries during WW1, and stories of him attempting to poison livestock - both horses and cattle - stretch from the USA to Romania. The goal was to cause an embargo of livestock exports, to weaken France and Britain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Dilger
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 6:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Ah, the old move the goalposts game again. I'd say Manafort and Page are in trouble, as detailed in the dossier.


ME moving the goalposts? You said the dossier confirmed some stuff... I'm asking YOU what those things are. Care to supply answers?

By the way, today we heard that Mueller isn't targetting Trump (complete with "Old News" excuse after 18 months of media hyping he was gonna charge Trump any minute now)
That the OIG recommends the prosecution of McCabe
And Comey basically admitted McCabe lied on National TV

Not looking good for the Swamp.
  TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 19, 6:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
Karen McDougal is now free to talk, and she may have the raid of Michael Cohen to thank.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/19/the-dominoes-are-falling-after-the-michael-cohen-raid/?utm_term=.0b822fedbb51


Yep, Trump is so great, women are falling over themselves to brag about sleeping with the President before he was President, for fun and profit.

This would be a great time to remind America of the Media's attitude about Clinton's extramartial affairs, including while he was in the Oval Office.

The great thing is that so many Lefties are so bigoted, they think some toothless dude is running around his Kentucky cabin going "Hey Maw! We can't support that there Trump no more, he's a dang fornicator!" and it's going to effect his support.



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