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  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 30, 3:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

P N Dr Lo R says
What else could he do?

he could be a standup comedian
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RC2006 says
Catholic church has alway had a panache for attracting gays which is half the problem.

False.

Data shows that the Catholic Church in particular has held down the incidence of sexual deviance a little better than other churches. I recently provided the supporting data for that in another thread.

Notice I say a little better, not a lot better, it definitely happens, but not as the trashy delight of the media makes it seem.

Since the Catholic church is a centrally organized institution, a very large and conspicuous one, they make a sensational target for reporting of these offenses. I'm not denying anything, except that I point out the actual record shows that the Catholic Church actually has a slightly lower incidence of molesting and sexual deviance than the other churches.

http://patrick.net/post/1309206/?c=1517033
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 1:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

or was it gay marriages?
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 31, 2:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yeah in general abusers gravitate towards positions of authority so they can abuse the power that goes along with the position.

All clergy is kind of an authority especially where there are children in private schools.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 1:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
Pick one and try to defend it as a "lie".

Go ahead, we'll be waiting.

I don't know who "we" is. Are you royal now?

Each claim has a basis listed. Yet you require something personal.

Why is that?

I find one insulting who would lie to me every day and I would not affiliate with him much less defend him, I don't want to be a cultist, or even a fool.

These negative labels have real meanings and they stick to those who earn them.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 4:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Haha

No big deal.

Most of the violence was against blacks or muslims.

Shame about the white guys.

MAGA
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 5:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

I know you all have seen this.

People have given up on caring about the truth.

You can't spend your life researching and questioning everything, its just TOO MUCH WORK

When we are overwhelmed with false, or potentially false, statements, our brains pretty quickly become so overworked that we stop trying to sift through everything.
Our brains are particularly ill-equipped to deal with lies when they come not singly but in a constant stream, and Trump, we know, lies constantly, about matters as serious as the election results and as trivial as the tiles at Mar-a-Lago.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658

authoritarian regimes with sophisticated propaganda operations can warp the worldviews of entire populations. “You are annihilated, exhausted, you can’t control yourself or remember what you said two minutes before. You feel that all is lost,” as one man who had been subject to Mao Zedong’s “reeducation” campaign in China put it to the psychiatrist Robert Lifton. “You accept anything he says.”
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 5:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

His aim is to undermine peoples’ perceptions of the world, so they never know what is really happening.

Trump has baited the press with a flurry of potential cabinet picks, instigated a bizarre fight with the cast of a Broadway musical, and concealed his true policy priorities behind a thicket of conflicting reports.

It’s working. The media’s coverage of the Trump transition is blurry and confused. Stories that should be real scandals — such as Trump’s apparent efforts to manipulate international diplomacy for personal financial gain — get lost in the shuffle.

Non-linear warfare
Bannon is a skilled practitioner of the “darkness” strategy, but he is not its inventor. The real Master of the Dark Arts is another Karl Rove equivalent: Vladislav Surkov, a top adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Surkov, the documentary journalist Adam Curtis said in a 2014 film, is “a hero of our time.” He went on to describe the Surkovian method:

Surkov turned Russian politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theater. He sponsored all kinds of groups, from neo-Nazi skinheads to liberal human rights groups. He even backed parties that were opposed to President Putin.

But the key thing was, that Surkov then let it be known that this was what he was doing, which meant that no one was sure what was real or fake. As one journalist put it: “It is a strategy of power that keeps any opposition constantly confused.”

A ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable because it is undefinable. It is exactly what Surkov is alleged to have done in the Ukraine this year. In typical fashion, as the war began, Surkov published a short story about something he called non-linear war. A war where you never know what the enemy are really up to, or even who they are. The underlying aim, Surkov says, is not to win the war, but to use the conflict to create a constant state of destabilized perception, in order to manage and control.


Bannon and Trump deployed that strategy with aplomb throughout the primary. Because of the constant media focus on his campaign, Trump was able to bombard the airwaves with an unending stream of surreal falsehoods. At the same time, Bannon turned Breitbart News into a Trump Party organ and used it to disseminate further confusion. Independent of Trump and Bannon, a number of other fake news sites — an improbable number of which happened to be headquartered in Macedonia — inundated social media with inaccurate information. There is some evidence to suggest that Surkov’s employer contributed to the process as well, using the website Wikileaks as a conduit.


Bizarre circus so you have no idea what is real or who to trust.

This is what has been happening to you!

Koch has changed sides? --bizarre huh?
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 5:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

MisterLefty says
It is a bogus website.

well why not make your own post with that as the topic then?
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 5:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

People, these are 10 incident reports, plain and simple.

You can verify them on other web sites.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I just might do it
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 8:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Koch brothers support the left now?

This is a circus so you never know what the truth is.

The truth is now an exhausting search.

You just have to wait and see what Trump says otherwise you'll never get done trying to get to the bottom of what is true and what isn't.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 8:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The FBI has identified right wing groups as the number one threat in America for about 22 years now.

During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country.


https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

We do live in a post-truth country now.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 8:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

All these domestic extremist groups are a concern to the FBI and they are all right wing affiliated.

Domestic Extremist Ideologies
Violent extremists based in the United States have different beliefs that lead them to commit crimes and acts of violence. Some of the most common domestic ideologies are listed here. It is important to note that it is legal to have hateful or extremist beliefs as long as you don’t commit crimes or violence based on those beliefs. The right to assemble (or gather) in groups is also protected by the U.S. Constitution.

Sovereign Citizen Extremists

What They Believe: Sovereign citizens believe they are separate or “sovereign” from the United States even though they live here. They think they don’t have to answer to any government authority. Sovereign citizens use their beliefs to justify fraud and other non-violent crimes. But some sovereign citizen extremists turn to violence and commit murder, threaten public officials, and destroy property as part of their anti-government, anti-tax beliefs.

Who or What They Target: Sovereign citizen violent extremists usually target members of the government—including judges, police officers, and tax officials. In 2010, for example, a sovereign citizen extremist killed two Arkansas police officers during a routine traffic stop.

Anarchist Extremists

What They Believe: Anarchist extremists believe that society should have no government, laws, or police, and they are loosely organized, with no central leadership. Violent anarchist extremists believe that such a society can only be created through force.

Who or What They Target: Violent anarchist extremists usually target symbols of capitalism they believe to be the cause of all problems in society—such as large corporations, government organizations, and police agencies. They damage property, cause riots, and set off firebombs. In some cases, they have injured police officers.

Abortion Extremists

What They Believe: Some abortion extremists believe that violence and bloodshed are justified to support their different beliefs on abortion. These violent extremists have turned to murder, bombings, assault, vandalism, kidnapping, and arson. They have also made death threats and sent hate mail and suspicious packages.

Who or What They Target: Violent anti-abortion extremists have targeted women’s reproductive clinics and the health care professionals and staff who work in these facilities, including doctors, nurses, receptionists, and even security guards. In one case in 2009, for example, a Kansas doctor who performed abortion services was shot and killed in his local church by an anti-abortion extremist. Those who use violence to defend abortion rights have murdered, threatened, and attacked those who oppose abortion.

Militia Extremists

What They Believe: A militia is a group of citizens who come together to protect the country, usually during an emergency. Some militia extremists, however, seek to violently attack or overthrow the U.S. government. Often calling themselves “patriots,” they believe the government has become corrupt, has overstepped its constitutional limits, or has not been able to protect the country against global dangers.

Who or What They Target: Violent militia extremists mainly target those they believe could violate their constitutional rights, such as police officers and judges. In one 2010 case, a Michigan militia group planned to kill a police officer and later attack the parade of cars in the funeral, hoping to start a large battle. The FBI and its partners stopped them from carrying out their plan.

White Supremacy Extremists

What They Believe: White supremacy extremists are motivated by a hatred of other races and religions. Some try to achieve their political and social goals through violence. These violent extremists often wrongly believe that the U.S. government is hurting the country or secretly planning to destroy it.

Who or What They Target: White supremacy violent extremists target the federal government and racial, ethnic, and religious minorities. Their methods have included murder, threats, and bombings. As just one example, white supremacists attacked a pair of Middle Eastern men on New Year’s Eve in 2011, punching one victim in the face and head.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 8:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

His aim is to undermine peoples’ perceptions of the world, so they never know what is really happening.

Trump has baited the press with a flurry of potential cabinet picks, instigated a bizarre fight with the cast of a Broadway musical, and concealed his true policy priorities behind a thicket of conflicting reports.

It’s working. The media’s coverage of the Trump transition is blurry and confused. Stories that should be real scandals — such as Trump’s apparent efforts to manipulate international diplomacy for personal financial gain — get lost in the shuffle.

Non-linear warfare
Bannon is a skilled practitioner of the “darkness” strategy, but he is not its inventor. The real Master of the Dark Arts is another Karl Rove equivalent: Vladislav Surkov, a top adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Surkov, the documentary journalist Adam Curtis said in a 2014 film, is “a hero of our time.” He went on to describe the Surkovian method:

Surkov turned Russian politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theater. He sponsored all kinds of groups, from neo-Nazi skinheads to liberal human rights groups. He even backed parties that were opposed to President Putin.

But the key thing was, that Surkov then let it be known that this was what he was doing, which meant that no one was sure what was real or fake. As one journalist put it: “It is a strategy of power that keeps any opposition constantly confused.”

A ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable because it is undefinable. It is exactly what Surkov is alleged to have done in the Ukraine this year. In typical fashion, as the war began, Surkov published a short story about something he called non-linear war. A war where you never know what the enemy are really up to, or even who they are. The underlying aim, Surkov says, is not to win the war, but to use the conflict to create a constant state of destabilized perception, in order to manage and control.


Bannon and Trump deployed that strategy with aplomb throughout the primary. Because of the constant media focus on his campaign, Trump was able to bombard the airwaves with an unending stream of surreal falsehoods. At the same time, Bannon turned Breitbart News into a Trump Party organ and used it to disseminate further confusion. Independent of Trump and Bannon, a number of other fake news sites — an improbable number of which happened to be headquartered in Macedonia — inundated social media with inaccurate information. There is some evidence to suggest that Surkov’s employer contributed to the process as well, using the website Wikileaks as a conduit.


Bizarre circus so you have no idea what is real or who to trust.

This is what has been happening to you!

Koch has changed sides? --bizarre huh?
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 1, 8:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

THE WHOLE WORLD IS TALKING ABOUT TRUMP'S LIES, EH?

CANADIAN NEWSPAPER COMPILES LIST OF ALMOST 500 TRUMP LIES DURING CAMPAIGN

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/05/toronto_star_compiles_list_of_almost_500_trump_lies_during_campaign.html

DONALD TRUMP: THE UNAUTHORIZED DATABASE OF FALSE THINGS

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/uselection/2016/11/04/donald-trump-the-unauthorized-database-of-false-things.html#analysis
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 10:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Here are some representative of Trump's lies laid out in detail as of March 20 last year.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 10:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
The guy races his car into a crowd of people, murdering a young lady, and you see the danger as the people who hit his car with a bat after the murder

and they don't see even one of his 4230 lies either. They're looking to crucify anyone who mentions even one of them.

I'm not sure pathetic is the right word for it.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RC2006 says
Eventually people on the right are going to loose their shit to then things are going to escalate really fast between both sides.

Yes that s going to happen.

People outside the Trump bubble see a cult promoting corporate fascism. They want to make a stand against the propaganda.

This is going to get confusing because those who are powerful AND well connected are going to make a bizarre circus to the extent that nobody can trust any source. Sinclair TV has synchronized must-air messages directly from the Trump administration to a nationwide group of local TV news in all the swing states. They heard that people tend to believe local news more than the MSM.

This is going to be a wild ride. And you people in the cult of Trump are going to keep encountering public denouncements.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
As soon as I saw WaPO, I knew this thread was going to be total shit.

there are several sources quoted here.

Why not make your own post denouncing what you want?

The thread is total shit because no discussion is offered on topic.

Comments give the impression that not one of 4230 lies are regarded as a lie and subject change tactics will be used exclusively.

This is a phenomenal display of loyalty to a man who has a life long PUBLIC history of lying and betraying trusts.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 11:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

NuttBoxer says
the three of you, despite all your comments, seem to have at the most one link that shows Trump supporters assaulting others.


This whole thread is in response to my thread yesterday of 10 violent incidents by Trump supporters.

Patrick deleted that thread, but the links are still on the internet.

You can use the internet too.

On the other hand you can side with whoever you want.

You can side with Patrick because I haven't provided the links to off set his.

Especially after my post got deleted last night.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
Leftist/Democrats created their own "brown shirt" wing called "ANTIFA

You are mistaken. You are attributing a phenomenon to discredit organizations.

ANTIFA is not connected to any party or organization.

ANTIFA itself is void of organization and structure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 11:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

is that your favorite subject to switch to?
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

False.

People use their cars as weapons all the time.

There are many many arrests and convictions for people doing this WHEN THEY ARE PISSED OFF

That doesn't diagnose them with mental illness.

And none of them get off on an insanity plea.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 11:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BlueSardine says
Anybody hurting g people with cars should be dealt with as road rage aggressors, not trumpeters or libbietards

No.

It is possible to use a weapon, such as a car, to commit a hate crime.

Especially at a political rally.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 12:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
teacher's salaries and pensions.

teachers are worth it.

Cheaper wages are what conservative values are really all about. They always have been.

The unions won a level of decency for 1950's and 1960's America not seen since.

In the workplace you are negotiating with thousands of people in a corporation that enjoy protections and more rights than people. That is why unions are needed to fight the drive to slavery which will be used no matter where in the world it can be found UNLESS WE CAN AGAIN REGULATE OUR CORPORATE MONSTERS.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 2:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
How about we focus on the "level of decency" for the millions and millions of people living in cities that are going into bankruptcy due to the Public Sector's lavish compensation and benefits?

This cause and effect relationship is highly debatable and the real issue is that the public employees unions are still remaining even after all the combined efforts of government, corporations and politicians to destroy them.

For anyone to get a dignified retirement, work benefits, job stability, etc., etc., etc. SOMEONE has to be getting them somewhere.

This remaining union is something to build on. It remains standing.

Cheaper labor is the never ending cry of the conservative movement and they will continue to blame everything bad on anything that stands in the way of getting workers over a barrel to work cheaper.

They always have and they always will too.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 2, 3:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Most people are excluded from this alleged economy anyways
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

komputodo says
You've been watching too much TV.

Like what? What have I been watching?
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 10:05am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Alex Jones is "a pill hocking performance artist."

In his own words.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 10:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Here is a presentation about the lead contamination. Seriously, this could render Alex Jones viewers unable to reproduce.

He sells a lot of pills and powders, and it could be dumbing down his audience!
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 10:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Alex Jones' next video - How the deep state is contaminating my super vitality pills with lead!
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

dr6B says
Deficits are bad during Republican administrations, while they are perfectly fine during Democratic ones.

So fine they shut the government down over it using sequestration?
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sure, any molesters and clergy involved in cover up need to be prosecuted to the fullest ASAP.

Actually the pope at the time the scandals hit the news did resign presumably over this issue. For which Pope are you calling for the disgrace?

There will be molesters in all churches and especially all positions of power and trust.

Statistically speaking, the Catholic Church has done a superior job to the other churches and superior to the public at large for that matter. Look it up, no lie.

The Catholic Church did evade and lie about it, but all organizations will circle the wagons to protect themselves. Then they apologized and and some changes and amends too.

The Church is a big juicy target for media to expose, which is fine, but don't fool yourself into thinking everybody else is A-OK, because the opposite happens to be true, and it is very important that we all not forget that is a fact.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 10:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

komputodo says
As if the lazy fat slobs don't know that they are lazy fat slobs

People get manipulated by fear of financial insecurity.

Manipulated into going along with anything the powerful desire whereas if there is resistance, agendas don't progress smoothly for the mighty and if the resistance is firm enough, they give up completely.

Are you ready to go along with a new constitution of the US written by ALEC with the movement funded by Koch brothers? Now that they got their budget crushing tax relief that is the next big item on their list. This is all to shut down all the government basically besides enforcement, surveillance and military.

I hope not.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 16, 10:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

You should feel a little guilty if you are not politically active to resist the slide to corporate feudalism (fascism, yeah ok)

Do something.

Feel better.
  jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Aug 17, 9:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

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