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joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 6:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Patrick says
Anyway, my principle is that nonviolent ideas do not deserve censorship.


I wish Trump agreed with you.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 7:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Patrick says
What do you mean? Trump has not tried to censor anything.


NFL players?

Trump is strongly advocating for a monopoly to siilence non-violent free speech.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 7:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
joeyjojojunior says
Second, who is this guy? "Nick Hanauer is a Seattle-based entrepreneur."


Google is your friend, CIC. Learn to use it.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 7:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
mell says
Enough with this bs comparison. You can't go work for Monsanto and run a blog against Round-Up


Sure.. But Patrick, McGee, et. al can't have it both ways either.

Either you want free speech that corporations can't stop or you don't. Trumpkins want free speech that agrees with them uncensored but free speech that counters their view is fine to censor.

Hypocrisy at its finest. A Trump hallmark.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 7:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
Do you really think people have total "free speech" when on the company timeclock. Can you go around at work spewing any type of political or personal beliefs, even if they go against the company wishes, and not get some sort of backlash?


Nope. I'm just pointing out the extreme hypocrisy in Patrick and McGee and almost all Trumpkins.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 8:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Fucking White Male says
Only a leftist could describe a tax CUT as a financial giveaway.

Def of Cut - reduce the amount or quantity of.


When you have to borrow to give it away, what would you call it?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".


But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Goran_K says
Wow. That was almost beautiful. I can see you and Iwog have a very deep relationship.


Almost as deep as you and CIC's. Although I don't imagine the goat will take kindly to being the jilted lover in this triangle so you may want to watch your back.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 10:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
So, this is a case where it's good to restrict free speech then McGee?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
KimJongUn says
Where? All I'm saying that apparently the reduction of corporate tax and number of brackets has some value to other than "trumpkins and eeeevil republicans" and not as useless and meaningless like that "multizillionaire guy" seems to suggest.


It MAY have value if it's done along with other coordinated moves as well.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Patrick says
What you do on your own time should not be used against you at work. But when you are at work, you should just work like you are being paid to.

But none of that has anything to do with the censorship of minority views which corporations are imposing lately.


So you're 100% behind Google for firing the engineer that wrote the internal memo then, right?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.


You didn't.. Free speech is the players being allowed to exercise their rights.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
CBOEtrader says
Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting


McGee. He's the special snowflake that has started thread after thread complaining because a few NFL players didn't properly respect a piece of cloth painted red and blue.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:18am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        
How dare the realtors threaten to reduce his windfall!!
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
KimJongUn says

Right. But for some reason it's just rejected outright. I wonder what that reason is...


Because the only proposals that Republicans will back are designed to reward the wealthy. It's never done correctly to help jobs.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
But yeah, I'm a brain damaged liar who denies the reality that Democrats don't want to ban guns.


Yes, God forbid that a hunter can't go out and kill a deer with an assault rifle. Just how the Founding Fathers intended.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 2:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
me123 says
What exactly is a "assault rifle"? Can you explain what it is for me?


There is no set definition per se. Congress defined it in the 1994 ban as this:



Others have other definitions such as this:

"The technical definition of an assault rifle consists of four requirements:
1 It is a shoulder mounted weapon
2. It is magazine fed.
3. It is intermediate power.
4. It is selective fire."

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-definition-of-assault-rifle
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 11, 2:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
KimJongUn says
I know. All I'm saying that when your side rejects some tax moves absolutely w/o condition it makes you look not serious.


Not if the proposals are all ridiculous like Trump's tax plan.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 5:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
FortWayne says
Because the difference is that Google employee was discussing with other employees company policies internally. While NFL ball chasing idiots were getting involved into national politics outside their organization.


I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.

It should be illegal to fire someone for discussing company policies internally? Really?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 5:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
His second tweet in a day on the subject; Doubling Down. Messaging Control Attempt confirmed.


He's playing 12D chess again!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iwog--don't you realize that getting his approval level down to never before seen levels is all part of his master plan?? It's all a trap for the LEFT!!
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 5:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Patrick says
He was writing about his own working conditions, not some irrelevant agenda from outside. Nor was he showing any disrespect to the country or abusing his employer's resources


OK, so now the criteria is you can't show disrespect to the country? Really? Isn't that one of the basic tenets of free speech? I know we're going down the path towards totalitarianism, but I didn't realize we were there. And that you were happily marching down the path.

As to abusing company resources, he clearly was. Google employees are one of their biggest resources and that memo clearly harmed a decent percentage of them.

Patrick--either you think businesses can fire employees for conduct that they deem harms their image or they can't. You're trying to have it both ways based on your own value system which doesn't work. All you do is become a special snowflake.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 7:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
A democrat strategy that never worked. Borrow, and give it away to the able bodied welfare queens.


No, Dems are the ones that raise taxes when needed to pay for their programs. It's the Reagans and W. Bush's that borrow to give huge breaks to rich people.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 7:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
rktbrkr says
NFL = National Felons League


Clever! I see what you did there.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
No Joey, if that was the case we would not have deficits when democrat Presidents are in power.
By the way, are you OK with our money being given away to able bodied bums who refuse to work?


Actually, if you look the budget deficit over time, it's clear that Dems do a MUCH better job and balancing the budget than do Republicans. It's not even close.

The US Budget is like the titanic--you can't turn it around in 1 year. But you can start a trend towards balance like Clinton did. Like Obama did.

Or you can start a trend towards unbalancing it--like W. Bush did. Like Reagan did.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
me123 says
joeyjojojunior says
I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.


Not everyone here gets paid to troll like you do.


You mean you spend this much time and effort here for free? Wow--you are a real loser.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Patrick says
but you're ignoring the fact that his memo was about his own working conditions, not an attempt to abuse his position to publicly promote a certain unrelated agenda.


I think you need to read the memo again. Implying it is about working conditions is misleading at best. It is absolutely an attempt to promote an agenda.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Patrick says
Is Kaepernick forced to sit in the back of the bus?


So as long as he can sit in the front of the bus, he should just shut up and do his job?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Patrick says
At work, yes, unless he has some compliant about his job.


Was the Google guy complaining about his job?

He was really complaining about corporate culture and how the execs manage the business. That has always been and always will be a very touchy subject that can get you fired.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
mell says
Although those two situations are quite different as explained by Patrick I would be ok with it if the protection would apply to both. It would be huge if we would have a law to protect against political correctness and SJWs at the workplace (or ideally no HR/discrimination laws in the first place).


Every situation is different. But it's clear by how much twisting Patrick has had to do that he doesn't really have a valid reason for his views. He doesn't like Kaepernick or has been brainwashed by the Trump cult.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 8:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
me123 says

Someone needs to try and educate you, but it's really a lost cause.


I'm the one getting paid. I think someone needs to educate you!
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Goran_K says
Whatever credit he gets for a budget surplus, is erased and puts him deep in the negative for signing and championing Gramm–Leach–Bliley. He basically setup the country for 2008.


So he was too much like a Republican for you then.

Begs the question--why do you continue to vote for politicians that are all the bad of Clinton and none of the good?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 9:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
me123 says
I'm glad you've finally admitted why you TROLL all the time.


So why do you do it?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 10:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
This is great--the longer Trump keeps healthcare in the spotlight, the better it is for Dems.

I can't wait until people who sign up for the new policies try to put in a claim... Wait until those horror stories start circulating.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 11:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
I thought innocent people didn't take the fifth?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 4:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Anyone who can't tell the difference between a news story and an opinion column isn't qualified to comment on pat.net
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 5:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
anonymous says
Didn't it ever occur to you that maybe we need to have a fascist dictatorship until Trump solves all of our problems, and only after that can we go back to being a republic.


Yep--that always works out well.
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 7:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        
Wait--so now anonymous sources from CNN are believable again?

Can you give me the code for how you know when they're fake news and when it's truth?
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 12, 7:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
Strategist says
Economy, inflation, interest rates, unemployment, etc


Perhaps you ought to read up on the Federal Reserve and how it's controlled. (hint--the Fed probably played a big role in Reagan's win)
joeyjojojunior   2017 Oct 13, 5:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        
TwoScoopsMcGee says
The coverage of Trump was unbelievably negative, even more negative than Obama's first 60 days was one big Media panegyric.


You don't think his actions played a role in that?

In related news, coverage of Dylan Bundy and Ted Kaczinksi was unbelievably negative as well.

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