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  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 5, 8:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
Baby Boomer death rates remained depressed or even stagnated, while they sat back, played bingo, and watched the younger generation implode on itself.


A little hyperbolic don't you think ?

108 to 129 is a big increase (in 2 years), but it is per 100,000. Still that's very roughly 1 in 1000.

I'm not disputing it's a huge problem. Just trying to have some perspective.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 5, 9:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Tenpoundbass says
NPR and NYT are almost panicking backpedaling away from it. For the first time in over 20 years those organizations are talking about journalism integrity.
They are both saying Wolfe has crossed the line in every way. But they admit they love reveling in the gossip, but they don't think it's true. They want to believe most of the quotes are true, but not the recounts of the crazy shit Trump is reported to have said or done.


You got some parts of this right. IT's an entertaining read, even for many hardcore TrumpCucks, who never really denied Trump's lack of fitness or competence for the job. That's seen by many angry Trumpcucks as a wonderful bonus.

I get it that you're trying super hard to find a way to frame this.

And yes, there are some questions about Wolffs methods and journalistic integrity. But then for the last two years you've been a "the end justifies the means" kind of a guy. After all that's what Trumpism is all about no ?
Wolff was going for a big profit, while also probably feeling that he might save America from itself.

The main parts of your take away that make no sense, are that, one, this is going to be a force in helping Trump clean up the swamp. Hell, we've never had a swamp that holds a candle to the Trump created swamp.

That and the idea, that NYT and NPR don't believe that most of it is true. Quotes and the stuff Trump does.

Although I have wondered whether Trump could be getting a big payday from McDonalds. So much talk about him eating McDonalds, and look at who the typical TrumpCuck is. Sad really, that McDonalds business is going to be way up, but I don't know about American health.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 5, 9:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote      

I like the way it's bringing the concept of credibility in to light.

What, you say ? Credibility is a thing ? Credibility matters ?
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 5, 9:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
Wait, so if we see a CO2 graph with the same slope, it's going "parabolic"


Again, I was talking perspective. If some country had OD deaths go from 1 to 4 per 100,000, that would be a 300% increase, and yet they would be in far better shape than we are. And again:

marcus says
I'm not disputing it's a huge problem. Just trying to have some perspective.


Everything doesn't have to be an argument. When I read the first few paragraphs I thought it was quite alarming. When I saw the per 100,000, I thought it was less alarming, but still in terms of change yes, very alarming indeed and a big problem.

Maybe the recent tax legislation will help there to be a more hopeful outlook for young adults. I believe economic prospects and a lack of hope is a key factor at the root of this problem, although I'm sure it's not that simple.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 5, 10:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

anon_713cd says
Seriously, you're carrying the weight of worry about morbidly obese junkfood eating americans on your shoulders?


No, that doesn't mean I can't observe how sad it is that some TrumpCucks who previously had the good sense to minimize their consumption of McDonalds may now change their minds and emulate their idol.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 5, 10:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
1 degree C rise in 137 years will "wet bulb" us to death...


Also one degree in 40 years, with an increasing slope, and a lot of uncertainty about what happens as the oceans continue to warm and methane under antarctic ice is released and so on. IT's about uncertainty and risk regarding where this goes, and the belief that being circumspect about this topic obviously means all earth inhabitants should make getting off fossil fuels sooner rather than later a priority.

Yes, humanity in the long term thriving without avoidable disruption is more important than short term corporate interests of a few corporations.

Yes. Common sense.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 5, 10:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

So does this mean you like Wolff almost as much as you like Trump ?

Don't you get the point of this thread ? You can't have it both ways.

You either admire and respect people that have little credibility or you don't. Or perhaps it's not a factor for you (allowing you to respect Trump) ?

If that's the case then you should just enjoy "Fire and Fury" for it's entertainment value, with the knowledge that it's somewhere between 60% and 99% true.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 6, 9:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Tenpoundbass says
about Obama and Hillary we don't have to make shit up.


I've spent years watching you make shit up. Just like Trump did with the story about Obama wiretapping him. You're the kind of guy that went on for months about "you didn't build that" (one of your least nonsensical claims) and to this day either are incapable of understanding Obama meant or too dishonest to admit you knew what he meant.

Either way you're a lot like Trump.

As for my edited video it showed two key things I wanted to sow

1) Instead of giving any proof or source for his repeated accusation that Obama wiretapped him, he said "I have my opinion you have yours." In other words like you facts and truth are just whatever he says they are. Whatever works for him.

2) The fact that congressional committees concluded there is no evidence that Obama wiretapped Trump.

If by chance there was some FBI investigation into treasonous behavior of Trump's campaign - i.e telling Russia locations (states) to focus it's facebook stories such as pizzagate, this was the result of Trumps stupidity. And now even Bannon says so, and he's setting up Trump junior and Kushner to take the fall.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 6, 9:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Tenpoundbass says


Acutaually the book says this.


As the campaign came to an end, Trump himself was sanguine. His ultimate goal, after all, had never been to win. “I can be the most famous man in the world,” he had told his aide Sam Nunberg at the outset of the race. His longtime friend Roger Ailes, the former head of Fox News, liked to say that if you want a career in television, first run for president. Now Trump, encouraged by Ailes, was floating rumors about a Trump network. It was a great future. He would come out of this campaign, Trump assured Ailes, with a far more powerful brand and untold opportunities.

“This is bigger than I ever dreamed of,” he told Ailes a week before the election. “I don’t think about losing, because it isn’t losing. We’ve totally won.”


He wanted it to be close. Maybe he was even willing to try the President thing, because that's making him even more famous and gives him even more attention. But he saw it as a win/win and secretly would have been relieved if he lost, but with it close.

We all know he was talking a lot about it being rigged even before the vote.

More:


Most presidential candidates spend their entire careers, if not their lives from adolescence, preparing for the role. They rise up the ladder of elected offices, perfect a public face, and prepare themselves to win and to govern. The Trump calculation, quite a conscious one, was different. The candidate and his top lieutenants believed they could get all the benefits of almost becoming president without having to change their behavior or their worldview one whit. Almost everybody on the Trump team, in fact, came with the kind of messy conflicts bound to bite a president once he was in office. Michael Flynn, the retired general who served as Trump’s opening act at campaign rallies, had been told by his friends that it had not been a good idea to take $45,000 from the Russians for a speech. “Well, it would only be a problem if we won,” ­Flynn assured them.

Not only did Trump disregard the potential conflicts of his own business deals and real-estate holdings, he audaciously refused to release his tax returns. Why should he? Once he lost, Trump would be both insanely famous and a martyr to Crooked Hillary. His daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared would be international celebrities. Steve Bannon would become the de facto head of the tea-party movement. Kellyanne Conway would be a cable-news star. Melania Trump, who had been assured by her husband that he wouldn’t become president, could return to inconspicuously lunching. Losing would work out for everybody. Losing was winning.

Shortly after 8 p.m. on Election Night, when the unexpected trend — Trump might actually win — seemed confirmed, Don Jr. told a friend that his father, or DJT, as he calls him, looked as if he had seen a ghost. Melania was in tears — and not of joy.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 6, 9:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

anotheraccount says
It was really good and showed that Bannon was only nationalist in Trump's admin. Basically the only MAGA guy. Everyone that's left is swamp.


You would think TPB knows this, having been the biggest Bannon fanboy I've encountered.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 6, 10:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Tenpoundbass says

Liberal integrity..."Who cares if the book is a salacious lie, it's too good to factcheck"


You're accusing liberals of virtually the only behavior I've ever seen from you.

It's a book, based largely on interviews that the author stands behind. Of course we like it, because it might expedite getting a very very dangerous and unfit guy out of the Presidency.

Yes, everyone knows that it might only be mostly true.

Look I'm not thrilled about having Pence as President, he will probably lead to only a little less of a swamp than the one Trump created. And there's zero chance (rather than some small chance with Trump) of Pence moving us toward medicare for all.

But with Pence a lot of serious risks are reduced while we gain back at least some dignity in the international community. Possibly it would also turn around the scary trend of increased domestic terrorism from white nationalists although that would probably spike up first if Trump was to step down.

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 6, 10:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tenpoundbass says
That this Wolff guy was in a Trump White house during a time when his staff was leaking like a sieve


WE now know why that is.

It turns out that not only does Trump not read, he also doesn't listen. Unless it's to a billionaire friend on the phone or the media.

Leaks were intentionally done to get Trump to learn things hearing them on TV, that couldn't otherwise be communicated to him,
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 7, 5:16pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (4)     quote      

Over 40% did't vote, which says something about how cynical people are about the system.

Trump barely beat Hillary, which probably would not have happened of not for COmey, and well placed Russian propaganda (pizzagate etc) on facebook.

Yes, Trump won over enough idiots, racists, and yes by default got a lot of republicans including even some of the smart republicans. to get about 28% (less than half of the 58% that voted) of the population to vote for him.

I can see why you're so proud.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 8, 4:19pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

CBOEtrader says
Act like an adult or GTFO. @patrick how long are you gonna let this guy drag down your forum? This specific behavior is the problem. Iwog is your worst offender


CBOE's issue with IWOG is that he presents real arguments that inihilate his emotion based content free arguments.

CBOE would much rather argue with some center right or moderate (what he calls hard core left winger) that he can associate with Antifa and call a Nazi, until they just leave the site in disgust.

IWOG has always been one of the best at calling the most clueless alt right wingers (such as CBOE) out on their BS. Without Iwog this site is more of a right wing echo chamber and troll fest than it ever was before.

What you have to realize is that hey, maybe that's a profitable route for the site to go. Besides, being the right wing Trump supporter that Patrick obviously is, the truth that Iwog puts out there has to get a hard to listen to.

"Let's just be a right wing circle jerk instead."

I started making myself scarce quite a while ago. Not enough real discussion. And also it's just depressing (although I've been around a bit in recent weeks).

Everyone with half a brain knows that the recent tax cuts are going to cause the deficit to explode. Which will eventually lead to more cuts in "entitlements." We are now well in to the treacherous 4th decade of this "starve the beast" undoing of Johnson's great society. The republicans have won, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize we all lose.

I digress, but Iwog is one of the best people for detailing this and making the argument for how fucked up things are.

So of course the TrumpCucks don't want him here. How can you run a profitable right wing echo chamber with intelligent people like Iwog around ?
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 8, 4:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
LBJ was a known racist who devastated the black community with dependency on entitlements.


That might have been an effect, but I don't believe it was his intent, and it was obviously necessary. The bad thing is the connection politically to the left.

It turns out prison is more way more expensive than public aid (for the govt) but if you play it right the owner class can get in on it (hey - more back door welfare for the 1%) and also bonus, they're not reproducing when they're in prison.

You tell me, which side are the worse racists ?
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 8, 4:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Btw @CBOE I was perhaps a little over the top above. I do attempt to reason with you and you had little to do with my leaving for awhile (not that you would care). Curious2 and a couple other assholes were more my reason, combined with the alt right wingers getting overly full of themselves and dominating the site more.

The alt right BS gets tiring. In my book T-lips has always been a tool, but ever since he became a paid troll for the alt right he's become so much worse than just tiresome.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 10:55am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      





Meanwhile, keep a lookout for stories about money laundering.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 5:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The criticism of sjw behavior on college campuses has been building for years, not because of, bt rather in spite of any association it may have with alt right.

Check this out. https://heterodoxacademy.org/ This came about very independent of Trump.

See Jonathon Haidt and many others building consensus and online discussion. If anything this is hampered by the alt right, becasue SJWs can claim that they are fighting the alt right on,, which sounds legit on its face.

No, no,no, consider Iwog, myself, c internet personalities like Jordan Peterson, and countless others that understand the problem with identity politics. Part of it is just wrong. But even when identity politics makes sense, it's hard in this climate to go forward without triggering self righteous alt righters.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 5:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

rocketjoe79 says


If such a failure can have a net worth of $3.5 Billion, I'l like to be exactly that kind of failure.


He would have done better simply investing the 400 million he inherited in the stock market. We have no idea what he's actually worth.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 5:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Is it a contrarian sell signal ?
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 11:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_08dee says
Check out this time lapse video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=PdantUf5tXg


So the media compared the turnout to Trump's inauguration to Obama's 2009 inauguration. Obama was the first black President !! Why wouldn't t be perfectly acceptable and understandable that his inauguration drew substantially bigger numbers than Trump's ?

Why are TrumpCucks so triggered by the fact that Trump's crowds were smaller, than Obama's ? It's not that big a deal, and should be expected even if Trump is every bit as awesome as you guys fantasize.

  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 11:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

If it's that hard for you to comprehend the way wide angle telephoto lenses work, maybe you could find a legit photo from the back, making your point ?

If Trump weren't lying about his crowd, you don't don't think he could have found a good aerial photo proving his point ? Really ?

Wtf ? It was a big crowd. Nobody denied that. Nothing to be ashamed of if Trump weren't so insecure and emotionally challenged. Trump himself was the one to stimulate all the discussion and comparison - when he lied about it.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 11:46am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

I like Jordan Peterson A LOT. I'm a huge fan and I'm what you guys call left wing. Truth is I'm very moderate,
but liberal compared to our skewed politics today.

The lady is digging at Peterson and things he's on the record saying in a way that allows him to make his points very well. For all we know, she or her producer are fans of Peterson's, helping showcase some of his arguments. You have to have someone taking the other side. If you make them look stupid, all the better (if you actually agree with him). You really think the intent of this broadcast was to make the left point of view look good ?

Think about it. It's television. Not a demonstration of left versus right. Maybe a demonstration of silly/stupid versus smart.

You wish it was right versus left because that fits a fantasy description of "the left" which is to associate it with the most far left SJW imbecile gender studies majors on college campuses. That would be like me saying that everyone on the right is like the worst right wing trolls on this forum. Obviously not true. I know of many sane and relatively moderate republicans. Although even many of them live in a bubble to a great enough extent that they might buy into the nonsense of your assertions here - at least to some degree.

Goran_K says
This is why Leftism is going to eventually die out: Ideology vs Truth.


I see this video as evidence of the opposite. Which view do you think the typical center liberal identifies with when they watch this ? Everyone is learning about the silliness of the far left sjws, and many moderate liberals even blame them for Trumps being President.

Nice try though.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 12:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
saw Don Lemon (CNN's favorite black parrot) attack Martin Luther King Jr's nephew of being a fame seeker, using MLK's name to get attention simply because he didn't think Trump was racist (an opinion shared by MLK's niece, Alveda King, as well). Can you believe that? Trying to tear down the MLK's family members simply because they don't agree with CNN's fantasy narrative that Trump hates people of color.


I saw that interview, but my objective take away very different than yours. Yes, Lemon defines racism differently than the MLK nephew. But one of the points that the MLK nephew made was that some might argue that what Trump did in his campaign was WORSE THAN BEING RACIST, BECAUSE HE INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATED RACISTS. I don't think you give Don Lemon enough credit.

The MLK nephew was basically trying to show understanding by defining or focusing on what is racism to some as ignorance instead. That being his strategy as someone involved in the push for social evolution and helping us move forward and get along - rather than name calling which is obviously counter productive.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 1:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
e never calls white people racist and Trump manipulating racists. That's ridiculous.


It might not have been word for word correct, but it was my take away. Go to 6:20 or so.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 1:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

Goran_K says
never calls white people racist and Trump manipulating racists. That's ridiculous.


You're right, he never calls anyone racist. But it doesn't change my take away from what he says at 6:20 or so.

Yes, Don Lemon vigorously challenges him on whether Trump is a racist. Giving him the chance to make his point about avoiding name calling.
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 1:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

someone else says
fighting back against pc intolerance of diversity of thought


I don't see Trump doing that. It might be going on in part because of people blaming that for Trumps election. If Jonathon's Haidt heterodox acedemy was in any way influenced by Trump it was only in the realization of the urgency of reversing wackiness on the left at some colleges because as small a fraction of the population as it is, it is used as fodder by right wingers who enjoy painting the entire left as sympathetic with those views.

Not that Haidt isn't opposed to the growing lack of diversity of thought and decreasing freedom of speech etc, seen at colleges for many reasons independent of Trump. Anyone who denies the universal outrage out there about silly scenes at colleges, going on for years before Trumps election, is denying the truth. Yes, it might have helped Trump get elected. And sure, the shock and awe of having such a dangerous and incompetant President, might be a force for change on the SJW left. But that's hardly something to brag about.

The truth is that Trump actually causes a frightening kind of right wing political correctness. We see it here with the lies every day about Trumps supposed successes. He's the most divisive President ever. Many of the Obama policies he's undone, were for no other reason than spite. A little of that happens in every Presidency but this is different. The hate he exhibits is palpable. I get it, that turns some right wingers on, but it's a minority of the country. The hate is the single biggest reason it will be very hard for Trump to be reelected. Unless the dems can't come up with a good candidate - which is certainly possible. I think it's pretty likely Trump won't even run in 2020 (that is if he makes it that far).
  marcus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 21, 2:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Goran_K says
Leftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt


Total semantics bullshit. If you said the same about identity politics I might agree with you.

We only need a more sensible "leftism." But the right wing policies that drive inequality, that is the real economic policies, including the "starve the beast" right wing deficit spending policies which are going on again with current tax cuts. These are examples of the degree to which the country continues to slide to the right.

A "left" that figures out how to challenge these, will simply be a more effective leftism, addressing the problems that affect the majority of us. It will still be the left. You can't swing as hard to the right as we have (not talking socially) without eventually causing the existence of a strong left.

RIght wingers only wish that the future left wing would be about identity politics.