This is the second in a series of articles. Rothbard was a racist and he was one of the most influential people in the libertarian movement. Since Ron Paul is running for president people need to know the dark underside that will always be with libertarian thought.
Exposing the Racist History Of Libertarianism And Murray Rothbard
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As a recovering former card-carrying Libertarian, this does not ring true. I used to love quoting chapter and verse out of Libertopian dogma. Here, I've got a copy of Atlas Shrugged, highly recommend it.... learn how you are being misled by those other 2 parties...... blah blah blah. It's a groupthink it's just of a more LaRouchian/Randist flavor.
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All political and economic ideologies are bullshit. They exist solely for the benefit of their creators.
If you're working in horrible conditions for $0.05 per day, you're a socialist.
If you own lots of valuable land worked by tennant farmers, you're for private property rights.
If you're a rich business owner, you're a capitalist.
If you're a slave owner, you're probably not an abolitionist.
And so on.
It's all a cynical game, folks. It has been for all of human history.
If Jesus Christ came back today, he'd send all of us into the "lake of fire" to burn for eternity. And justly so.
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Trick question right? It was Dante that had a Condo at a resort on Styx.
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The civil rights act outlawed segregation. How does one eliminate laws against segregation without causing integration? I nominate this post for the profound thinker of the day award.
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bob2356 says
Lol, it is amazing how stupid the intellectually superior libertarians really are!
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They don't call them "Paultards" for nothing.
Still, I can't help but admire Ron Paul's penchant for calling bullshit on both major political parties.
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bob2356 says
I think you are confused and believe that everything must be done by a government dictat. You believe that because people are bad they need government (consisting of people) to make it right. Now that should be nominated as the profound thinker of the day award.
Government is a force of violence, and the only instrument it has is gun to your head. People who promote government should be excluded from the society as violent criminals.
On the contrary, people are generally good, and if you let them voluntarily exchange goods and services, that is you allow voluntary cooperation, good things happen.
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bgamall, it looks like you can't type 1 sentence without contradicting yourself. Are they intellectually superior or stupid? Which one is it?
Was Ludwig von Mises an Austrian jew who fled the Nazis, or was he an anti-semite?
Was Murray Rothbard, a jew and a student of Ludwig von Mises, Austrian jew who fled the nazis, or was Murray Rothbard an anti-semite?
Which one is it?
Is Libertarian Ron Paul a country doctor, who often times provided free services to poor people, many blacks, or is he a racist?
Which one is it bgamall4?
Or is Ron Paul, who in early 80s was the only congressman who sided with Israel for attacking Iraqi nuclear sites, or who just recently said that Israel, as a sovereign country, has the full right to defend herself, and to move its capital to Jerusalem, whose mentors are jews Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, and Burt Blumert - an anti-semite?
Which one is it, bgamall4?
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Vicente says
Here is how our dialog goes here Vicente:
AlexS: apple is fruit.
Vicente: Wrong, carrots are vegetables.
AlexS: Government created racist laws
Vicente: Wrong, dutch brought slaves.
Vicente, when you improve your reading and comprehension skills, perhaps we'll be able to have a discussion. Until then go back to telling your fairy tales, about the Santa Claus, nonexistent racist libertarians, and Tooth Fairies.
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A true capitalist does not care about race, religion, gender, sexual preference etc. It is about profit. $100 in someones pocket has the same value to a capitalist..the rest doesn't matter.
Certainly there can be target markets for products but to outright exclude a product or service from some people and not even test it is just bad and does not make logical sense.
Technically the government nationalized slavery under the 13th amendment because it clearly states that if someone is convicted of a crime it can be imposed or involuntary labor. It is only invoked in chain gangs which usually are voluntary since prisons rather do physical work then sit in the cell all day long.
On the concept of slavery it should also be noted that the Irish were also slaves ( http://www.sikharchives.com/?p=8937) Slavery also means that someone had to sell the slaves to begin with which means there was prior owner..so who made the wealth then?
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Is this article some sort of belated April Fool's joke? I must admit I did get something of a giggle from the very first sentence...
Murray Rothbard was the student of Ludwig Von Mises and a friend of Ayn Rand.
since it has no basis in fact. Indeed, Rothbard and Rand cordially loathed each other. viz:
The Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult by Murray N. Rothbard
Not that I'm any big fan of Rothbard or Rand, mind you. But to get such an elementary fact wrong does very little to advance the rest of your rather dubious thesis.
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That was sarcasm.AlexS says
Was Freud a Jew? Was Moses and Monotheism pro-Jewish?AlexS says
A racist. Despite a clip from a Paultard biography.
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mdovell says
Very true. But they will use race, religion, gender, and sexual preference to divide the toiling masses against each other. Divide and conquer!
That's what they're doing now. Why do you think so many poor people vote Republican? Because the Republicans promise to protect them from the scary blacks, jews, gays, hispanics, etc.
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CL says
Who do you believe, your lying eyes or CL...
Hey CL, do you know how many clips from Ron Paul's medical and congressional practices there are?
Here is twist: hundreds and thousands of testimonies from all sorts and walks of people about his charity, integrity, honestly. And exactly ZERO, ZILCH, NILCH, NONE, NULL, VOID ZIPPO racist remarks from his mouth. We are talking 40+ years of public life!
These are the facts CL. What do you have to say to these facts?
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AlexS says
I think you are confusing the parties. In the US there is only one racist party, the party of Robert KKK Byrd, the party of George Wallace, the party of Senator Hollings, the party of Southern Slave Owners, the party of FDR who placed asians into concentration camps, the party where minorities are not appointed to any serious cabinet positions. Of course we are talking about the only still racist party in the US - the DEMOCRATIC party.
Not to mention all the modern racists bigots this party attracts today - the professional racists like the Jesse Jacksons and the Sharptons, or Hillary Clintons who claimed that Gandhi was working the gas station, etc.
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Suppose there is a Jewish religious service happening at a synagogue. Ten Muslims walk in, they roll out their prayer rugs, and start praying out loud. Should the Jews be allowed to ask them to leave? If the uninvited Muslims refuse, should the police be allowed to arrest them for tresspassing?
I am a Libertarian. I believe drugs should be legal, but that doesn't mean I take them. I think prostitution should be legal, but I have never paid for sex. I also think people should have the right to choose who they associate with. Who they allow within the confines of their private business. While Racism is ignorant, it is a choice. One can choose not to like another based on skin color, and as long as they are not physically harming that other person, or infringing upon their rights, it remains just ignorance. The individual who was discriminated against has the choice to refuse to stop being my friend or patronizing my business. If I take my racism too far and start going on his property and burning a cross while beating his kids then I should be arrested. The government which trials me for violating his rights should not use race to judge me, nor to defend him. It should be based on the crimes I did. Not my racial opinions.
We are all bigots. Discrimination is the core of Liberty. You chose your mate over all other options. You chose your car, home, job, entertainment. Millions of choices you rejected(discrimination). Liberty is when the individual gets to make a choice among all options for any reason and then takes personal responsibility if the choice was wrong. If I want to buy a black car because I think white cars are ugly, it should be my choice. That choice might mean I have to run the air conditioner more. Tyranny is when the Government forces me to only buy a white car.
I am against the Civil Rights Act. The Act was never needed if the government would have treated all citizens as individuals with inherent rights(a Libertarian concept of government). The answer was to revert back to inherent rights, while giving reparations to citizens who had their rights violated by government.
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AlexS says
They brought a lot of baggage with them, including the belief that their position was superior as well as their intellect. Read my book, get the whole story http://www.amazon.com/Libertarianism-Bang-Ruined-America-ebook/dp/B006NZWWC0/
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Elwood P Dowd says
That was later.
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AlexS says
What facts did you provide? I get that you're a Paul sycophant. You're entitled. Enjoy.
But, simply calling him a "country doctor" doesn't make it so. He's a congressional institution. He's a millionaire. That's a lot of free OBGYN service!
He is the beneficiary of a racist newsletter with his name all over it. Endorsed by him. He has changed his position over the years. He willingly takes donations from the Neonazi group, Stormfront. When confronted, he refuses to return the donation.
He is a hypocrite. He lies. He's a politician.
I can say these things because I don't belong to his church. These are the facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grzr2upa4E8
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AlexS says
Yeah I heard those talking points on Rush Limbaugh's show too. How original.
Yes, the Democrats are just as corrupt and full of shit as the Republicans. Both parties are selling out the country to the highest bidder. The highest bidder being scumbags like Romney and large predatory banks.
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One of us is a sycophant and liar, but it is certainly not me. Him being a country doctor is a factual statement - his medical practice was in a country. Yes, besides that he is in congress, he is also a bestselling authors for multiple books, he was also an athlete, and air force surgeon, and a very shrewd investor (in gold and mining stocks). He should be millionare many many times over, although he is not (well, not many).
The only benefitiary of the racist newsletter that he didn't write - the guy who wrote them was publically outed, he is a director on forbes and is often on Fox & Friends - no it wasn't Lew Rockwell as your ridiculous link suggested - is hot air you are creating. Ron was a publisher, not editor, and not writer. It's like blaming Patrick for racist lying crap you write on this boards - pointless and unfair to Patrick.
James B. Powell - is the name of the racist newsletter author. Google him.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
CL, next time you come back from your 10 year trip to the moon, at least bother to google to bring yourself up to date...
About them donations... Ron can't monitor every donor (he has millions), besides, what's the point? Why bother monitoring for racist donors if most of their donations go to Democrats? If some racist neonazi loon mixes up and sends donation to Ron, instead of the usual destination - like Clinton or John "MadBomber" McNut - what is Ron suppose to do? Obviously the only honorable thing to do here is not return the money to neonazi loon, which is precisely what Ron is doing. The less money loon has, the better. Good for Ron!
But you go ahead and return your Stormfront donations.
Ron never lied, and he is a statesman, not a politician.
And although he is a faithful christian, you wouldn't know, since Ron never flaunts his religion. But you do - your religion is Godless Liberalism, your Creation myth is Darwinism (a story how Walkman Evolved into the iPod by Random Mutation), your passion is not to punish a Perp, your martyr is Willie Horton, your Holliest Sacrament is Abortion, your Doctrine of infallibility is Sobbing Hysterical Women, your Priesthood is Public School Teachers, aka disinformation facilitators. See, you are a religious lunatic, CL, and your religion is Liberalism, and your virtue is recycling.
I dare everyone to watch the link you posted to see how ridiculous you and your posts are. Link claims that Lew Rockwell was the author of newsletter, even though it was James Powell, and Lew had nothing to do with it.
hahahahahaha CL is a liar, pants on fire!!!
Now go with Gary Anderson and claim that Jews fleeing nazis are anti-semites or something. Oh, and check yourself into mental institution - both of you.
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AlexS says
This is hilarious. Now it's a mark of honesty and integrity to keep donations from racists? Yet, you defame the Dems and GOP for receiving the same?
I bet you think it was GOOD then, for Obama to receive such donations from EMPLOYEES of GS? I'm sure you've said so. Would you say so now?
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A guy who has served 12 terms in Congress is a politician. A guy who brings home tons of pork while denouncing it is a hypocrite.
A guy who receives Social Security while denouncing it is a hypocrite.
A guy who denounces earmarks but brought home a half a billion dollars to his district is a hypocrite.
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-pauls-hypocrisy-earmarks-pork-barrel-spending-012000440.html
"Paul lards up spending bills with pork via earmarks for his Texas district, knowing that the spending bill will pass, then votes against it. He then piously claims he is against pork barrel spending, a practice he has mastered. When called out on it, he claims he's lassoing tax dollars his Texans have sent to Washington, corralling them to be driven back to his district like so many cattle rustled by black-hatted government badmen.
Paul was one of only four Republicans to ask for earmarks in the 2011 budget, according to the American Independent. The House Republican Conference voted on extending its voluntary ban on earmarks in November 2010, but Paul ignores it. "
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CL, in case every day you are born this morning - let me remind you that you brought up the donation - not me.
Now, the reality is, 99.9999% of Ron's donations come from active duty military (who know better what a disaster the US foreign policy is, and how right Ron Paul is - hence Ron Paul gets more active military donations than Obama and all Repukes COMBINED), small donations from private individuals, the engineers, doctors, truck drivers, construction workers, etc. - you know - the common americans.
Top donors: US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, Google, Dept of Defense, Microsoft, Boeing, IBM... http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00005906
Compare that to top donors for ObNey and Rombama: Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citibank...
Also notice how Ron doesn't have any billionare looters backing him, the only billionare who supports Ron Paul is Peter Thiel (guy behind Paypal and Facebook).
As you can see, Ron is supported by normal Americans, while the supporters for ObNey are Banksters, Hollywood, Unions, Big Pharma, Big Agra, and CL.
These are the facts, CL, what do you have to say to these facts?
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Isn't it funny how everything CL brings - backfires? I'll give a quick summary later to show how all of CL's arguments are junk, have long been disproven and dismissed and ridiculed, and only if CL wasn't on the Moon, he would've known.
Regarding 12 terms in Congress - Ron practically uses the office for education.
Here: http://www.runtogold.com/2010/02/hr-4248-free-competition-in-currency-act-of-2009/
In his office he has "Don't Steal, government hates the competition" sign, and he hands out the constitution to his visitors.
He has 0, ZERO, ZILCH, NONE, NULL, NO Lobbyists ever come to his office - it's pointless. He never joines the swamp of crooks, hence all the 400some vs 1 votes - Ron is often the lone "No" vote. Hence the title Dr. No (or Dr. Know).
So, back from Moon to Reality - Ron Paul is a statesman.
Social Security - he paid into the program his whole life - who should get his benefits, CL? Hillary Clinton? Michael Moore? No, Ron paid in, still paying in probably more then he gets back, and he is 77. The program he wasn't forced to pay in - the congressional pension, Ron refused (the only person to ever refuse the congressional pension).
Ron statement is clear - he would allow for young people to opt out of Social Security and wishes he was given the same chance. There is nothing hypocritical about it.
Then you go on to talk about earmarks, that is appropriations. Now, if you knew anything the constitution, which you don't, you would've known that it is the duty of Congress to appropriate the funds. But you don't know, because you read airheads like Jon C. Hopwood - the "journalist". When not writing hit pieces on Ron, Jon is writing about Kim Kardashian - just google jon c hopwood kardashian.
So you are quoting this imbecile. For those who don't know what "journalist" is nowadays - basically it's a useless worthless Government stenographer - that's what "journalism" in the US has become.
Back to earmarks. Ron is between the rock and a hard place. It is a duty of Congress to appropriate, or Executive branch will unconstitutionally grab and spend the funds. At the same time Ron doesn't agree with all the waste and pork.
Ron's solution is brilliant. He appropriates the funds to his district (you know, the taxpayers who paid the money in the first place) in case the bill passes, but votes No.
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I wouldn't take CL's emotional reasoning too seriously.
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Oh, please. Following your logic, Obama et al, are doing us all favors by keeping money out of the hands of the crooks at Goldman!
I get it. When Paul brings home the larded pork for his district, it's different when others do the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING.
Yeah. I'm the confused one because I don't believe that Ron Paul shits gold.
I like Paul, I do. But I can't stand the confusion that his acolytes live under.wthrfrk80 says
How is pointing out that Paul is a human politician emotional? I'd say that's a product of people who want to believe in something or someone, despite all evidence to the contrary.
But, shucks, he's just a simple country doctor, saving all the babies for free from wild-eyed abortionists who despise the beauty of the Gold Standard.
It's crack-pottery.
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It is relevant, because I've heard Ron Paul is a "secret racist".
Well why not? Even CNBC has articles to this day about Obama being a "secret Socialist".
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47678760
It's a fair point, I mean Obama's first term seems center right, but what if he's just fooling us all with his ACTIONS, and has secret dreams of making you stand in line to get your meat ration? There are probably LOTS of people who have secret leanings inside their heads, and we should get to work on the right brain-scan equipment so we can KNOW everyone's inner thoughts. Ron Paul could be secretly dreaming of running kids through "Constitution camps" where they can wear uniforms and get properly indoctrinated..... oh wait it was Glenn Beck that did that one, sorry about that I sometimes mix up insane whiteys.
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Agree - this is a stupid thread. To say it with the late Pete Steele:
Right wing commies
Leftist Nazis
Point their fingers
Rumors linger
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"The left they say I'm a facist
The right calling me communist
Hate hate hate hatred for all - one and all
No matter what you believe
Don't believe in you - and that's true
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wthrfrk80 says
Ha. I just realized that I have a guy who refuses to accept the idea that Jesus never walked the earth, defending a guy who believes that Ron Paul is a deity!
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Speaking of "acolytes" CL, how can Obama keep money out of Goldman, if Goldman is his biggest campaign contributor?
You gotta learn who butters his bread, before making ridiculous statements.
Not only you can't read and comprehend the simplest explanation of legislative process, and sound like a broken record, you can't even connect two dots:
Goldman gives Obamba and Romney money.
Goldman doesn't give Ron Paul money.
Gee... what does that imply?
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AlexS says
You, like all Paulistas, have no problem assigning a quid pro quo for donations from EMPLOYEES at a firm you dislike, yet are an apologist for Paul when he gets and keeps money from Neonazi hate groups.
What does THAT imply?
I just means that when your guy does it, it's not wrong. That's text book hypocrisy.
Me? I'd rather get a donation and keep it from a janitor at Goldman than an accountant for Stormfront.
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Them janitors at Goldman gave Obama $30 million just this year. On the other hand all the neo-nazis, stormfronters, and evil doers assembled and sent Dr. Ron Paul, what was it, $100?
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AlexS says
Very true. And don't forget billionaires like George Soros.
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Enron and Lehmann Brothers had ties to Climate Change Alarmism. They wanted to trade "carbon credits." It's yet another way for the parasitic financial sector to extract wealth from the productive sector. And they had the useful-idiot environmentalists as allies.
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In the bizarro world of bgamall4 aka Gary Anderson, vicente, and CL, jews fleeing nazis are anti-semites (Ludwig von Mises, and his -also jewish- favorite student Murray Rothbard), humble country doctors (Ron Paul) who treat poor black patients for free are racists, and people who cut prices of oil (Rockefeller), steel (Carnegie), cars (Ford), transportation (Vanderbilt) by a factor of 10 or even 50, are evil "rubber barons".
But Obomba, paid and bought by money-changers and plutocrats at Goldman and Citibank, is good...
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All politicians are bought and paid for buy the plutocracy, not just Obama. Ok, maybe Ron Paul is not, but his ideas would only make the plutocracy even richer.
Yeah the robber barons did good things. But they were also ruthless of course. Ever hear of the Battle of Homestead? Did you know that children worked in the mines? Do you know what the death rate was in the mines and the mills?
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Ford was a bit different than the other industrialists. His strategy was to pay his employees enough that they could buy the cars they were making. Maybe he could do this since he had no competition to worry about. He didn't have to "conquer" an existing car market, he created one out of his own work force essentially.
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Hey wthrfrk, if Ron Paul is so good for the plutocrats, why don't they ever invest into any of his (12+) congressional campaigns? What about his 3 presidential campaigns?
Why is it that only regular american people send him money, all small donations, but none of the plutocrats do?
Because plutocrats are afraid of honest, free market capitalism Ron is advocating. System, where if you fcuk up, you don't get bailouts, you don't get TARPS, you don't get quantitive easings...
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Ford is no different. He paid more because he could, and because he wanted to attract the best and hardest working employees. And all this was done to better serve his customers.
Remember, the only thing that capitalist minds is his customer. Whatever it takes to serve customer better, adding jobs, improving work force, paying better to attract talent, whatever is needed and feasible, smart capitalist will do. Dumb capitalist will sooner or later go out of business. Unless Capitalism is Crony. Unless you have bailouts. Unless you have Obamba-Romney Fascism.
Capitalism always results in greater prosperity and growing middle class.
Socialism, Fascism, and Crony Capitalism (CRAPitalism) always result in shrinking middle class, poverty, food stamps, and wars. It always results in horrible socialist healthcare, horrible housing, and evil education system which brainwashes people to believe government propaganda.
Hence you have Vicentes, CLs, Bgamall4s (aka Gary Anderson or something) who believe that Jews fleeing nazis are anti-semites, doctors treating black patients for free are racists, capitalists who bring prosperity to the human kind are evil, war is peace, truth is lie, and so forth. Or that Depleted Uranium and bombs spread by the Government is good, but god forbid BP accidently spills some oil and cleans it up, and pays for it everyone and their mother, oh my god, how dare they!!!
They are brainwashed beyond comprehension.
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Eh, CRAPitalism is as American as apple pie. No one ever accused Americans of being civilized. We were founded by slave-owning hypocrites like Jefferson and expanded by killing off brown people and taking their land. We prospered by importing poor immigrants and expoiting their cheap labor.
What liberated everyone was electricity and oil. We're running out of the latter.
When the fossil fuels are depleted, it's back to starvation, misery, toil, and death. That's if we don't blow ourselves up first.