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Exposing the Racist History Of Libertarianism And Murray Rothbard


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http://www.businessinsider.com/exposing-the-racist-history-of-libertarianism-and-murray-rothbard-2011-10

This is the second in a series of articles. Rothbard was a racist and he was one of the most influential people in the libertarian movement. Since Ron Paul is running for president people need to know the dark underside that will always be with libertarian thought.

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  1. CL


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    89   4:15pm Fri 29 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    AlexS says

    who believe that Jews fleeing nazis are anti-semites, doctors treating black patients for free are racists, capitalists who bring prosperity to the human kind are evil, war is peace, truth is lie, and so forth. Or that Depleted Uranium and bombs spread by the Government is good, but god forbid BP accidently spills some oil and cleans it up, and pays for it everyone and their mother, oh my god, how dare they!!!

    This is just silly. First, how do you define one's "Jewishness"? There are plenty of non-believing Jews. There are believing Jews who don't believe in Israel's sovereignty. The Nazis threat affected all Jews, so the fact that some fled when they could is a mark of means and opportunity, not beliefs. Soros survived the Nazis and fled the communists. yet, I bet you believe he is both an anti-Semite and a communist.

    You define Jewishness in the way that suits YOU best. I'm not saying that these men were anti-Semites, but the two are not mutually exclusive. You've made some logical errors.

    Prove to me that Paul treated black patients for free. And that he didn't selectively apply this generosity? I've known racists who believe that the blacks they know and work with are "different" than blacks as a whole. How do you know that Paul didn't help the ones he deemed the "good ones", if he did at all?

    (The rest of your post is pure nonsense. Liberals don't approve of DU)

    You believe it, because you want to believe in Paul. Put another way, if you can't convince me or others like me with facts, links or material NOT provided on Paul's own biography or a pro-Paul page, then why do you believe this stuff?

    What information did you have that compelled you to believe in Paul's holiness?

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    90   7:17pm Fri 29 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)  

    wtfkr80 - if we end in a state of starvation, toil, misery and death it won't be due to a lack of fossil fuel, it will be due to misguided government actions, as usual.

    Admit the fact that we have a political system run by people dumber than most of us, sticking their nose into every aspect of peoples personal and business lives, mismanaging the economy, and killing jobs in the process.

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    91   8:41am Sat 30 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Now to the reason why socialists like bgamall4/Gary Anderson hate Murray Rothbard:

    http://lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard295.html

    Notice: it's not racism or anti-semitism. Murray was a race-color-blind jew, and anyone who would spend 10 minutes reading any of his work would immediately recognize that.

    No, they hate him, because he is the Enemy of the State. Because Murray proves that Socialism doesn't work, can't work, never worked, and never will - and does it in the most awesome fashion.

    In the above article he clearly illustrates why medical insurance is an oxymoron, and that it will never work. Look at the date of the article - 1995. He (precisely!!!) predicts why the prices will continue shooting up, and why the quality will continue going down.

    He also gives historical context of government meddling into healthcare going back as far as 1910. Here, Murray also shows that government is Racist and Anti-Semitic - it basically forbade Jews and Blacks to practice medicine.

    So, let's get it straight. Gary Anderson is a racist anti-semite who writes smear, full of lies hit-pieces about jewish economist Murray Rothbard.

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    92   9:38am Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    How much money did Paul make off of the racist newsletters that he (later) disavowed?

    http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter

    "The most detailed description of the strategy came in an essay Rothbard wrote for the January 1992 Rothbard-Rockwell Report, titled "Right-Wing Populism: A Strategy for the Paleo Movement." Lamenting that mainstream intellectuals and opinion leaders were too invested in the status quo to be brought around to a libertarian view, Rothbard pointed to David Duke and Joseph McCarthy as models for an "Outreach to the Rednecks," which would fashion a broad libertarian/paleoconservative coalition by targeting the disaffected working and middle classes. (Duke, a former Klansman, was discussed in strikingly similar terms in a 1990 Ron Paul Political Report.) These groups could be mobilized to oppose an expansive state, Rothbard posited, by exposing an "unholy alliance of 'corporate liberal' Big Business and media elites, who, through big government, have privileged and caused to rise up a parasitic Underclass, who, among them all, are looting and oppressing the bulk of the middle and working classes in America."

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    93   10:12am Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Notice the date on the article - January 16th, 2008. For those who attendend public sKool and mathematically challenged - that's 4.5 years ago.

    The reason CL can't find anything new, is because ever since the real author of those 2-3 "racist" newsletters was outed - James B. Fallon - the whole thing has disappeared down the Orwelian memory hole.

    Big Media stopped talking about it. It's like it never happened. Some poor CLs who were on the moon all this time can only find it in internet archives.

    Why? For one, Big-Government-Media Junta can care less about racism. If anything, they use racism, and or threat of racism to lie and enhance their agenda. As soon as it doesn't fit their agenda, the issue disappears away.

    They can care less about James B. Fallon, if anything, he is their boy. So, as soon as he was outed, the issue was swept under the rug.

    Useful idiots in the media switched the script.

    But not CL! CL didn't get the official memo! "Racist newsletters" are soooo out of date. Remember comrade CL, it never happened!

    All Ron was doing is the same thing Patrick is doing - provided the facility for various people to write stuff. Except back then there was no internet - there were newsletters.

    So, if Patrick ever gets busy with his family or work, or whatever, and Gary Anderson or CL says something silly on patrick.net, and it slips through, is Patrick a bad guy?

    Or if Ron Paul ever gets busy, say with medical practice, and congressional office, and while raising 5 kids, and someone like James B. Fallon, posts something silly 2-3 times, that's out of thousands of newsletters with gazillion various articles... oh my god - this is the end of the world! We have the proof!

    Nuh... the only proof is there are couple of democratic party stoogies (like CL) or lowly paid government spooks (like Gary Anderson - who seems to be very active on other blogs facilitating the same lies) spreading misinformation on blogosphere against people on government black list.

    How do you get blacklisted? You speak the truth to the power, you vote consistently, and you represent the American people for 40+ years. You speak ill about Fedster-Banksters robbing you, you criticize the insane foreign policy, you... you know, you do many things Ron Paul has been doing for many decades.

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    94   11:35am Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    How much money did Paul make off HIS eponymous newsletters? I've read millions. (At least, over a million dollars, by capitalizing on fear of blacks).

    Again, why not donate that money to a non-racist cause? Why does Paul keep his ill-gotten gains?

    You are living in a fantasy where a lifelong politician is somehow more noble than his actions. It is you who wants to believe the best in him, without any real proof.

    Pretend none of us had ever heard of Paul. Convince us that this simple, country doctor is not a racist, despite changing his positions on his newsletters. He is against funding for Katrina victims, but secures funding for Galveston.

    How would the uninitiated make the distinctions that you make about his integrity? Try not to quarrel. Pretend you are an evangelist for Paul.

    I'll be open-minded.

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    95   12:13pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    A true non-racist cause is to stop racist war on Drugs - that only Ron Paul is fighting to stop. Not the idiotic racist-bait nonsense spit out by professional racist-mongers, you, and Gary Anderson.

    So, CL, a better question is how much global warming have you created by spitting out hot air about the nonexistent issue of "racist newsletters" ?

    Now, let's google "African Americans for Ron Paul" - gazillions of facebook and youtube pages. Ditto for "veterans for Ron Paul".

    Suggestion: don't combine the two, or you'll crash Google!

    Let's compare that to "African Americans for CL", or "Blacks for Gary Anderson".

    0 relevant entries. Question: who should start contributing to non-racist causes, you or Gary Anderson? Show your work!

    Speaking of Ron's actions - there are reasons why he has such strong, authentic, honest, not-paid-for grass-root support from Blacks, Veterans, Students, common American people... Since you were on the moon just look at the crowds he attracts:


    5,000+ (actually 8,000+) UCLA students chanting: End the Fed, End the Fed!!!

    This, CL, is POWER. Btw, today Ron's "End the Fed" bill cleared the house.

    These, CL, are the facts. What do you have to say to these facts?

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    96   12:18pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    While on the subject, Romney also tried to use stadium for his speech - and came up empty:
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/24/10499355-romney-lays-out-economic-vision-in-mostly-empty-stadium?lite

    So, Ron Paul fills up stadiums, and people practically climb trees to see him, while regular establishment-snores like Obney are embarrassed.

    This is why the establishment is scared of Ron! This is why they hire low level spooks like Gary Anderson to spread the disinformation.

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    97   12:33pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Will Veteran Combat Hair Stylist Mittycakes embrace white power Republicanism?

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    98   2:13pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    See? That's not really very convincing stuff. If that's how you convert people to the "Paul is Messiah" mindset, you need more studies.

    Anyway, Wowee! Paul filled a stadium. I guess that translates into him winning the Primaries! Some primaries? A primary?

    Nobody who counted showed up. Nobody voted for Paul...even military did not vote for Paul in South Carolina. The only poll Paul wins is in Paultardia.

    (And those aren't FACTS, really. Granted, nobody likes Romney, but I'll put an Obama rally against a Paul rally any day for attendance)

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    99   3:28pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    Hey CL, please post the dates of your moon trip. I suspect 2009-2012.
    Many things happened since you left - good ol' boy Fallon was outed as newsletter author, and Obomba's hopey-changie thingie didn't quite work out... and the only change he got was CHANGE IN MY POCKETS!

    Still bailing out Fedster-Banksters... TARP... QE2... QE3... QE(n)... Still fighting wars and wasting resources in sandboxes 5,000+ miles away... Still BushoBama financial crisis...

    Zombies all around us, zombie banks, zombie government, zombie economy, and reptilian public unions...

    So, don't expect big Obomba rallies this time around. At least not on college campuses...

    Regarding Ron Paul - he certainly did better in 2012 than 2008. And in 2008 he did better than 1988. You know why? Because everything he warned came and still coming to fruition.


    From his speech on September 10th, 2003:
    "... The special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions... Like all Artifically created bubbles, the boom in housing prices CANNOT last forever, when housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as Their equity is Wiped out, Furthermore, the holders of the morgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing."

    Compare that with Obomba - everything B. Hussein said, I mean read from telepromter - turned out to be lies and economic falsehoods.

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    100   5:15pm Mon 2 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Toe jam says

    You're probably unaware that Rothbard and Schiff are Jews, therefore they get a pass on it.

    I am not unaware about that at all. I am adopted, and while I am not a Jew I am a descendent of Jews. I think those who believe in libertarianism regardless of background are corrupt in their thinking and they need to be exposed. Ayn Rand is of Jewish descent as well and is an atheist.

    I believe in separation of church and state, but I oppose a philosophy that worships self. It is doomed to destruction IMO.

    Schiff claims to be non racist. I accept him at his word, but wonder about it.

    He at the very least believes that racism is a civil right. He is just a weirdo and I totally believe that. He contributes to Business Insider like I do and I take every opportunity to expose him for his corrupt world view.

    IMO, Schiff gets a pass due to his wealth and because Jewish people control a lot of the media, and because technically, he is not a racist. But Rand Paul, who has views similar to Schiff, is not Jewish and also gets a pass.

    If I were black I wouldn't trust that his position is not racist no matter what he says.

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    101   6:56am Tue 3 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

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    The above comment, in its entirety should be submitted to the definition of DISGUISTING FILTHY SMEAR.
    The only racist and race-baiter here is YOU.

    Btw, when you google "Peter Schiff was right" you get:


    and

    When you google "Gary Anderson was right" you get blank page.

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    102   1:19pm Tue 3 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    I don't have a problem with Schiff finally getting around to exposing the housing bubble about a year and 1/2 late. Kudos where they are due.

    However, Schiff says a restaurant owner has the right to refuse service based upon race. That is giving racism the status of a civil right. It is not a smear at all. You smear me and I am offended.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 makes racism NOT a civil right.

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    103   2:16pm Tue 3 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    AlexS says

    Regarding Ron Paul - he certainly did better in 2012 than 2008. And in 2008 he did better than 1988. You know why? Because everything he warned came and still coming to fruition.

    Wow! Maybe he'll win a primary when he's 170 at this rate.

    Yawn. YOU are the problem with Ron Paul's candidacy. Libertarian blowhards who feel they know things on accounta they learned them on the interwebs. You, and most of the libertardians out in the blog-o-sphere, are the proselytizers for the movement. You are people who slept through school and, given a little knowledge, now feel like you have all of the answers in your little bucket.

    No wonder the movement is dead. You have killed it.

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    104   2:58pm Tue 3 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Aren't racists those who look at a persons skin color and make a decision based on that alone? Well then, the racists are the liberals who actively promote and practice "affirmative action" - whether it be colleges, universities, businesses or government employers.

    Chocolate cookies - for whites - 50 cents each.
    Chocolate cookies - for people of color - 25 cents each.

    Admit that is the type of policies liberal government promotes.

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    105   4:11pm Tue 3 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    No. Racism is the belief that there is something inherent and hereditary about various ethnicities that makes them {undesirable characteristic).

    In America, it is used to perpetuate the white power structure and perpetuate the belief that white people bear the burden of being the productive members of society and that non-whites are lazy and mooching off of them.

    Efforts to correct this unfair advantage are not racist. Efforts to perpetuate white privilege are.

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    106   8:26am Wed 4 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Honest Abe says

    Aren't racists those who look at a persons skin color and make a decision based on that alone? Well then, the racists are the liberals who actively promote and practice "affirmative action" - whether it be colleges, universities, businesses or government employers.

    Affirmative action was done to undo past injustice. Racism is refusing to serve someone in your restaurant due to the color of their skin. Schiff says he is not a racist but advocates the "freedom" of restaurant owners to make the decision based upon race. In other words, he believes that racism should be a civil and protected right when it comes to serving people in your restaurant.

    I think his position is both wacko and evil.

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    107   9:36am Thu 5 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    Schiff says he is not a racist but advocates the "freedom" of restaurant owners to make the decision based upon race. In other words, he believes that racism should be a civil and protected right when it comes to serving people in your restaurant.

    I think his position is both wacko and evil.

    So do the Pauls.

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    "Affirmative Action" is a slogan which has a subjective meaning...kinda like the slogan of "gun control" or "assault rifle". This is of great value to the liberal mind because it can be used (and changed) to fit the current situation.

    In other words, it means what they say it means, at that moment, subject to change at any time.

    "It depends on what the meaning of is - is", quote from the disgraced, liberal, former US president William B.J. Clinton.

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    109   1:18pm Thu 5 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    bgamall4 says

    Affirmative action was done to undo past injustice. Racism is refusing to serve someone in your restaurant due to the color of their skin.

    But you can throw a black out of your eating establishment if they are Fat.

    SO according to the Liberal lardass studies, that's 2 in out of 5 black persons can be chucked off a plane, refused Memphis finest BBQ Ribs, denied a job, publicly ridiculed and charged double for a theater ticket. If they are obese.
    And that's 3 out of 5 Jews, that ought to warm Mel Gibson's heart.
    No Lox for you Yohsi!

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    110   1:54pm Thu 5 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    So you are saying that being fat is not a civil right? :)

    Please clarify.

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    In the eighties we determined that being fat is less about choice for the majority of fat people and there are a whole host of other factors involved. Thyroid conditions, metabolism, involuntary sedentary life styles, hereditary genes.
    That is why you see a guy that 400lbs with rolls that just drape off the guy. He doesn't eat no less or no more than a guy with out an ounce of fat on him. In South American countries where people are lucky if they eat just one inadequate meal a day, there are still fat people in those communities.

    In the eighties it was a medical condition, and you could be sued for heckling, denying or passing an obese person over for a job.

    I think the amount of fat people are being blown out of proportion, to suit political motives mainly health care. My gripe is the money angle, you'd be surprised how many people that are worried that Government involvement in healthcare will be a way to dictate what you can and can't do with your body. Just last week the ghouls were mulling over fat consultation and weight management in the Healthcare legislation.

    To date there has not been one single weight loss drug that did not end up disastrous ill effects for the users. Can you imagine when people will be mandated to take the advice of their Doctor(or the guy assigned to be their federal care giver, your number so and so in a file somewhere).
    If he says your over weight and recommends you take some new untested weight loss drug that in 2 years will give you heart, liver and kidney problems, if it doesn't kill you first.

    Or what happens when Bloomberg starts telling restaurant owners they can't serve obese people, or they can be sued if a fat person dies of a heart attack after eating their food.

    No being Fat is not a Civil right and the Left is growing quite uncivil about it in making that distinction. It has been so openly hostile in the media, that those kids on the Bus last month, really did not think they were doing any thing wrong. That could have been almost any kid in America with a Liberal parent listening to them rant and bitch about all of the ailments in America the fat people are causing. Or the hours of new coverage of fat people being thrown off a plane, with out as much as a callous apology.

    Gain weight at your own social risk.

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    112   5:34pm Thu 5 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Honest Abe says

    "It depends on what the meaning of is - is", quote from the disgraced, liberal, former US president William B.J. Clinton.

    (Clinton wasn't a liberal. HTH!)

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    bgamall4 says

    I don't have a problem with Schiff finally getting around to exposing the housing bubble about a year and 1/2 late. Kudos where they are due.

    However, Schiff says a restaurant owner has the right to refuse...

    Gary Anderson, one of you was late to prediction, but it was certainly not Peter Schiff. The latter was the economic advisor to Ron Paul. Both are Austrians - the only school of economics that predicted the housing bubble.

    Here is Ron Paul as early as September 6, 2001 - predicting that this housing bubble is not going to end well:

    Ron talking about how Fedster-Banskter money printing that caused the internet/technology bubble is now turning into Real Estate and Financial bubble:
    "...a lot of it ended up in the expanding real estate bubble, churn by $3.2 Trillion of debt maintained by the GSE (govn sponsored enterprises - Fanne/Freddie)"...

    Gary Anderson, do you know why Ron Paul, and Peter Schiff are always right at predicting and you are always wrong?
    Because they know Austrian economics, they know the bubbles and they know what Fedster-Banksters blowing up bubbles are up to.

    Hence people buy their books, and not yours.

    Regarding your worthless "Civil Rights Act" comment - sure thing you read all hundreds (or is it thousands?) of pages and agree with every title, every page, ever paragraph, and sentence, and every single word...

    HAHAHA, I seriously doubt it. You seem like a person who likes to write, but hates to read. Same goes for CL.

    The right to associate with who you like is the fundamental human right.

    If I don't want to associate with you, because you are a confused liberal demagogue - that is my right. You can't come to my house, you can't use my property, and if I open a restraunt with my money, I sure should have a right to decide whom to serve, after all this is my private property.

    So, If I don't want to serve KKK members, or neo-Nazis, I should have this right.

    Imagine if a black person opens a restraunt, and some neo-Nazi goon decides to visit, thus making customers uncomfortable. Shouldn't the owner of the restraunt be allowed to exercise his right of the private property and kick the neo-Nazi out? But that would be against the Civil Rights Act!

    But sure, government should completely obide by the Civil Rights Act.

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    114   11:56am Tue 10 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike  

    AlexS says

    Because they [Libertarians] know Austrian economics, they know the bubbles and they know what Fedster-Banksters blowing up bubbles are up to.

    Horsehockey.

    Exhibit A:

    This particular Libertarian disciple of Ayn Rand, seemed to consider it his personal mission to inflate the bubble, and sideline Brooksley Born and anyone else who opposed him.

    The idea that Libertarians are the "grownups" who know how to run an economy, is demonstrably false. They are simply another group of ignorant loudmouths, prepared to go in and pull levers at random and if everything blows up well it's "creative destruction".

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    115   12:20pm Tue 10 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    AlexS says

    Gary Anderson, one of you was late to prediction, but it was certainly not Peter Schiff.

    I knew that there was a housing bubble in Reno, NV in mid 2005. Schiff didn't start warning until 2006.

    As for Ron Paul, he was not part of the UK libertarians who actually supported the deregulation of the banks, leading to our housing bubble!

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    116   1:34pm Tue 10 Jul 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    bgamall4 says

    AlexS says

    Gary Anderson, one of you was late to prediction, but it was certainly not Peter Schiff.

    I knew that there was a housing bubble in Reno, NV in mid 2005. Schiff didn't start warning until 2006.

    As for Ron Paul, he was not part of the UK libertarians who actually supported the deregulation of the banks, leading to our housing bubble!

    Gary Anderson strategicdefaultbooks.com

    Gary, there comes a time when you should stop making up facts and history.

    Peter Schiff June 2005 explaining housing bubble, recession:

    For those with publiK sKool education - June 2005 is BEFORE 2006.
    That's youtube. I am sure if I waste another few minutes, I'll find earlier PUBLIC record of the same. Bubble in Reno, NV in mid 2005??? There, it already started collapsing by then! Gary, you knew you car was already stolen when you didn't see it in your garage in the morning?

    Above I posted the record of another austrian - Ron Paul - Sept 2001 record.
    Do you want to see another Austrian - Ludwig von Mises - on record in 1928 saying that sh1t is about to hit the fan?

    No you don't! Instead you want to make up facts, invent history, write crap and lies about austrian jews being racists, and how Peter Schiff, because he is a jew, is rich and famous... That's good stuff Gary, the only thing though - you should post it on theonion.com, not patrick.net ...

    Let's compare that with the record for Keynesians (all is fine!) or Chicagoans (all is fine!). Hahahaha! Not a single correct predictions, yet government Grants keep flowing to both worthless schools of economics! Why? Because they spread disinformation that Government likes.

    Your "deregulation of the banks" comments is ridiculous. What else are you going to say - "it was deregulation of the internet, leading to internet bubble"? or, "it was deregulation of Fedster Banksters, leading to Financial bubble"?

    Gary, the only constant in 1928, and 2000, and 2001, and 2005 is Fedster-Banksters printing money. This money is handed to their connected buddies, who invest it in whatever the latest Fad, be it stock market in 1920s, or technology stocks in late 1990s, or housing in 2000s, etc. This is how bubbles are created - by Government and Fedster-Bankster Fiat. Fedsters bring alcohol (cheap money and low interest rate) to the paaarty!

    What follows then is regular americans can't compete for resources with Fedster cronies. Remember, cronies get a hold of unlimited freshly printed money and BUY UP Resources and drive up prices, while regular americans and small business DON'T. Hence, resources get misallocated to cronies, and consistently squandered. This is how we get bubbles, malinvestment, and depression that follows.

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    Vicente says

    This particular Libertarian disciple of Ayn Rand,

    Gosh, CL, it's like you are born this morning. Every morning. Just because Greenspan, during his youthful indiscretion, attended Ayn's meetings, doesn't make him "Libertarian". He is the exact opposite. Learn history.

    Here is what Murray Rothbard said about him: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard192.html

    google "Ron Paul vs Alan Greenspan", or "Tom Woods on Alan Greenspan", or "Lew Rockwell on Alan Greenspan".

    CL, it certainly appears to me, you never read or investigate anything. You whole worldview is based on idiotic sniplets you heard somewhere, taken out of context, that have no resemblance to reality.

    You heard "Civil Rights Act is anti-racist", yet you didn't take 1 second to understand that it forces black restraunt owner to serve Klansmen and neo-nazis.

    You heard libertarians are racists and anti-semites, yet didn't realize that many of them are jews and blacks, and have all the support from jews, blacks, whites, hispanic, etc. starting with Mises, Block, Rothbard, Williams, Sowell, and Rothbard.

    You and Gary Anderson spread idiotic, ridiculous disinformation, and I simply have no choice but to put you on ignore.

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    Alexis,

    Libertarianism assumes people are "basically good."

    They aren't.

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    wthrfrk80 says

    Alexis,

    Libertarianism assumes people are "basically good."

    They aren't.

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    wthrfk80, majority of people are "basically good.". Historically about 20% of people are psychopaths, and the problems start happening when the latter come to power (see Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, France in late 1890s, China 1940s-1980s, or the US 1940s-?). Particularly the US 2000+ - psychopaths came to power in the country with humongous mass-murder resources! They will keep bombing, they will keep destroying, externally and internally, until the US collapses economically from within.

    Generally that's where psychopaths want to get - in the position of power (government). And once they do, watch the FCUK OUT!

    The only chance to keep psychopaths out of power is what founding fathers have tried - by limiting the power of the government to the minimum. Unfortunately that only lasted for hundred-some years.

    Anti-libertarian premise that people are bad, but supposedly the government consisting of the same is good? That's a ridiculous statement. It's even more ridiculous, considering who strives to assume the position of power - the psychopaths.

    With rare exception (Ron Paul) - most of the US government officials are psychopaths, and nothing good will come out of them having so much power over us.

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    The worst Rise to the Top:

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    AlexS says

    This is how bubbles are created - by Government and Fedster-Bankster Fiat. Fedsters bring alcohol (cheap money and low interest rate) to the paaarty!

    Then quit supporting their right to create bubbles!

    Alex, libertarians believe in the invisible hand of self interest as being the guide to all prosperity.

    While that may be true, in some cases when making widgets, it is not true when dealing with bankers. The housing bubble proves that the invisible hand of self interest resulted in a planned attack of easy money upon the average Joe, resulting in massive economic loss for the middle class.

    And even in the making of widgets, the Chinese companies were so greedy that they produced killer dog food.

    The worship of self as god is corrupt to the core.

    Your philosophy and the philosophy of Ron Paul and Peter Schiff uses platitudes like "liberty" and "freedom", but they are false platitudes as we see when we delve into the details of the invisible hand.

    Libertarians are total frauds, Alex.

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    Of course the worst rise to the top. Evil people, by definition, will do *anything* to get power. It's a sort of darwinian "natural selection."

    In a libertarian environment, evil people will use means other than government to gain power. The best way is via money. How do you think the robber barons got so powerful?

    Evil people will always find a way to rule in their own interest at the expense of everyone else.

    That's why the only solution is to constantly take power away from the already powerful. That means high taxes on the very rich, including high estate taxes to prevent the formation of permanent hereditary aristocracies.

    If you don't tax that money away, that money will be used to purchase politicians to further cement their power over everyone else.

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    "Freedom" is a code word that means "the freedom for the already powerful to rule in their own interest at the expense of everyone else."

    That was discussed in another forum.

    Freedom for the cat means death for the mouse. Unless you're a member of the top 0.1%, you're the mouse.

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    AlexS says

    You heard libertarians are racists and anti-semites, yet didn't realize that many of them are jews and blacks, and have all the support from jews, blacks, whites, hispanic, etc. starting with Mises, Block, Rothbard, Williams, Sowell, and Rothbard

    Many of them? There aren't many libertarians in the first place, and the percentage of them that are non-white is approaching theoretical zero.

    Your world is unhinged, like most libertarians. The fact that nobody votes for your candidates just means that nobody understands things the way you do?

    It's the height of hubris, and of inflated ego. And, as I have said, if you are doing the proselytizing for the movement, you've failed your messiah, Dr. Paul.

    "On accounta I believe it" does not pass anyone's test for legitimacy.

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    CL says

    Many of them? There aren't many libertarians in the first place, and the percentage of them that are non-white is approaching theoretical zero.

    Schiff says he is not a racist but believes racism should be a civil right. Rothbard wanted a separation of the races but didn't want to pay for the shipping and support of black Americans in Africa.

    He was a racist, period!

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    CL says

    A guy who receives Social Security while denouncing it is a hypocrite.

    Do I need to explain how faulty this logic is, or are you a lost cause?
    Because he PAID into the system, involuntarily. If he refuses SS, would state refund what it took, with interest? didn't think so.

    What's next? Will you also claim that slaves - victims of your labor for your life proposition - were hypocrites because they didn't end their lives, too?

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    lenar says

    CL says

    A guy who receives Social Security while denouncing it is a hypocrite.

    Do I need to explain how faulty this logic is, or are you a lost cause?

    Because he PAID into the system, involuntarily. If he refuses SS, would state refund what it took, with interest? didn't think so.

    What's next? Will you also claim that slaves - victims of your labor for your life proposition - were hypocrites because they didn't end their lives, too?

    Huh? Slaves didn't make a claim of ideological purity that they base their Presidential campaigns on!

    Paul says one thing, does another. I don't begrudge him receiving Social Security. I begrudge him his hypocrisy.

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    Continued multi trillion dollar social policies put in place by liberal whites for the purpose of propping up the black American population prove that perhaps Jim Crow laws were beneficial to society.

    Before LBJ doomed white America, these were true statements.

    1. The black family was intact.
    2. The inferior black genetic intelligence was recognized by all(both blacks and whites) and people were taught based on their merit and ability.
    3. White people were safe.

    Now you have these facts.

    1. The black family is now non existant. Black fathers do not care for their children because the nanny state does it. Black mothers are given incentives to have more children, who will be of low intelligence.
    2. We are all told we are equal when it is painfully obvious that we are not. The achievement gap in intelligence is still as large as ever even after 50 years and trillions of dollars spent trying to close it.
    3. Black on white crime is rampant in all areas of the country while white on black crime is very low and consistent.

    "It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal." Aristotle

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