WatchYou can now challenge any comment made on the Patrick.net "nice" forums (Real Estate, Investing, Health Insurance, Misc, Link Submissions). Just click the "Take It Outside" link above the comment you want to challenge.
The commenter will then get an email that you want to discuss that comment in the Outside forum, which is not at all a nice place. You can say whatever you want in the Outside forum. That's what it's for.
The "Take It Outside" link will change to "Challenged By (Username)" and be red and blinking until someone clicks on it. If and when that gets clicked by the comment author or anyone else, that comment will become a new thread in the Outside forum and the text will change to "Taken Outside By (Username)", which is a link to the new thread.
In the Outside forum, already being very nasty, instead of challenging a comment, the option is now to shit on it. See http://patrick.net/points.php for how to do that. Costs $1 per point, and one point per shit.
Everyone automatically gets one free shit.
I hope in this way that the "nice" forums can be kept nice and the Outside forum can be for the insults which users so dearly and persistently want to heap on each other. Could be a lot of fun too.
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Will the "flag" link still be there so we can flag things that are against policy?
Nice job using fecal matter on this one.
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I renamed "Flag" to "Spam" but I guess that leaves the nice forums without a way to mark something as very rude. Good point.
OK, I renamed it back to "Flag".
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Patrick says
Cool, I don't necessarily have an interest in taking that many things outside, but it's possible I'd want to flag something still. Sometimes people put obvious commercial posts here, for example, and sometimes posts are just egregiously against policy (e.g. Shrek/Mars outing iwog).
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You know... If you're going to come to a forum and you're going to interact with others, use some common courtesy. You might not know that person but what if you were talking to that person on the street? You'd probably exercise some sort of restraint. Its ok to disagree, debate, and argue. But keep it civil. Follow that rule and there's no need for a "Take it outside" forum.
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In face to face, it's easier to have political discourse with out it turning into Us against Them. The other person can hear and see you, and take your words in context. It's easier to say "Those damn Ass bags" with out the other person feeling like one of the bags.
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True. Something about being anonymous on the internet leads to loss of restraint and uncivil speech.
Facebook doesn't have these problems because people use their real identities for the most part. You don't insult your friends, or they're quickly not your friends. But then, you also don't raise some important issues that might offend someone. So I think there's a place for anonymous speech too.
The key, I hope, is to contain the inevitable insults in one specific part of the forum.
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I think its totally possible to have courteous yet heated debates. I have friends of every political stripe. One of them is staunchly Republican but is someone I have a lot of respect for because he can debate intelligently. We might disagree but not on everything and truthfully not on most. We're in agreement on 90% of the issues.
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edvard2 says
I had a good friend we would have all kinds of face to face discussions, with out incident or a second thought. It was email exchanges, about band related stuff, that ultimately did us in.
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One dollar per load. Not to bad.
I do use curse words as lighthearted adult humor and to grab attention to what I am writting. Cursing is an informal and casual way of communicating. If it's not used in an agressive manner towards people. It's more like friends may communicate amoung themselves. With me anyway. I have a religious backround.
They can't and won't curse in public writtings or on mainstream.
Why? I don't know. Wolf Blitzer can't pinch a loaf. Bill O'greeky said pithy once and all the old ladies tittered. Bill is a real strange looking mick to me anyway. So Bill dosen't count nor do I really pay much attention to him. Beloved amoung a certain class of women he is. Your no southy Bill believe me I know a few.
Look at CNN the lenders must be in distress. Although they can't exactly state it. Due to the confusion of why exactly they are occuping. "There is no leader". They exclaim. They are just demonstrating against a whole bunch of things. At it's core of course is being set free from "debt slavery" What the usuor's did to all of them and their families. It's all politic's. No it's not. Certainly isn't. It's just a lot of afraid people. Trying to get at what they are really mad at without saying it outright.
We can work with that. The owned as Bonded labor and debt, elected say. We can work with anything. It's easy. Cause' well we are owned and so are they. It really can't get to far. When most everyone and everything is owned. Because of that things like this really never get to far. It's easy we will all do what comes naturally to someone owned by another.
I can appreciate what they say. Cause really there is no direction. Just people really mad about being swindled daily by the usury people. The people that are at their beck and call doing all the slick talking for them. They don't understand the occupy people. However riots in Rome. March's in Paris. Belguim. Cities all over America. GOT THE DIRECTION NOW? See if you are looking for them to say it in the interest owned media, news and print forget it. Their mouths are owned. You would be suprised how fear and an owned jaw works.
Meanwhile, one guy sits at his computer. Somewhere in America. He dosen't prey. He thinks about driving. Seeing all his neighbors in new cars. Them looking like they have it made. Their things aren't paid for. He realized one day and never forgot it. They don't own anything and owe everyone. For the very largest part of them.
He can be caustic. Very unfriendly to people who won't and can't wake up. They have to live a sort of a subconcious life. That's what a debt slave lives in by the way. He or she operates out of that. For the most part. Parroting and agreeing with what comes in there. Never really having the conciousness of someone that has total control of their own mind - that isn't debt owned. It's a sleepy like exsistance. You can even see the fear and the glancing back over their shoulders. The oh I did this wrong. I am in trouble and the guilt that someone who is owned display's.
The one guy sits at his computer. Thinking about sometimes a God. Maybe the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Dosen't matter which one. Sitting there watching all of the angry people. Conciously thinking. While other people debt owned are subconciously thinking to themsleves or a place they can hide. The thing they always really hated. The people that got them into all of this. Thinking to themsleves. Watching. Maybe even imploring their God saying quietly as many have in the past: Tear it down. Tear it down. Please oh my dear God. Tear it all down.
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I think if you are going to take bits of a thread to challenge, at least take it outside in context. Like a link to the original thread, or the whole thread perhaps. Otherwise, that area is just Media abuse. Taking bits out of context, to make invalid point.
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Okay, so I clicked a "Take it Outside" link, but then realized I couldn't take it back. Once disgruntled, always disgruntled? lol
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I changed it so that if the same user clicks that link again, that withdraws the challenge.
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The GOP says
Yes, that is a good point. OK, any newly challenged comments will now have a link back to the original thread so you can see the context.
Please let me know how else I might improve this as well.
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SFace says
Whew! Thanks for straightening that out for me. For a minute there, I was starting to feel like an individual with the ability to make my own choices.
I guess I better find SOME consumeristic piece of shit to identify with, or my uncreative, empty, souless existence will be obvious to all the other dull, greedy, cliche'd asswipes I interact and compete with on a daily basis.
So maybe I should change my avatar to a dollar sign, or perhaps a credit card would work best?
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SFace says
I want Patrick.net to be a place where you can say true things that other people just can't or won't say.
It started about things your realtor wouldn't tell you, but I'm branching out.
I think the Outside forum might be useful for that. Instead of suppressing rude but possibly informative comments, it's a place to keep them separate but still available.
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SFace says
Patrick addressed this in the comment above, but I still find it weird that you equate branding and the manner in which you make a living to be the sole determinants in defining oneself. Perhaps I misunderstood your commentary, but this perspective seems pretty narrow-minded to me.
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MarsAttacks! says
You're well aware that some people believe that you are Shrek. This is based on:
1) You claim to be his friend - and that makes you suspect
2) You support him (perhaps as a friend) - which makes you suspect.
3) Shrek posted personal information about Iwog's wife, and if you're not shrek you're still his friend therefore in some way responsible
I'm not sure why it would matter - you don't act like him and I don't think he had the ability to comprehend how offensive he was, nor did he appear to have the ability to temper his comments.
I guess that I really don't give a shit as long as you don't attack me personally. He lacked the ability to separate personal attacks and conversations and therefore got hisself banned.