Is it the 15 cent Christmas tree tax?
I don't think so.
Hate for Obama is something they can't explain by anything Obama has done or not done.
Just they hate him because... well, you know.
Funny how the Obama haters can't say exactly why they hate him
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Patrick, I don't think people hate oB ama, I think people hate the way he's dismanteling America. He's run up the debt to unimaginable levels which is akin to financial terrorism against American citizens. That is a violation of his oath of office to "protect and defend the constitution".
In reality, he's been trampleing and shredding the constitution. That's what people hate.
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Honest Abe says
This has been discussed but it bears repeating. Most of the debt is the result of Conservative policies and actions, Obama policies have added very little:
Of course, Dishonest Abe will refuse to address this and will vote Republican just like he has voted Republican in every other election.
He will continue to believe whatever he hears on AM talk radio.
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The PEOPLE elect leaders to protect the PEOPLE from corporate fraud etc. Today, leaders are protecting fraudulent corporations from honest PEOPLE. The settlements being paid for fraud, amount to vending machine change for most large banks. This news is intended to stroke the PEOPLE. Leaders are just EASILY influenced by those with the largest assets.
Obama is a much better actor than Bush. Hating is like tailgating. Doesn't really accomplish anything.
Impeachment may make an impression !
http://www.orphansongs.com/save-the-banks/
Obama's choice, Save the PEOPLE or the Banks.
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TMAC54 says
TARP was a Bush program, didn't you get the memo?
Why do you prefer lies to truth, TMAC? Are you afraid of the truth?
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Lies are more appealing than truth when they fit what you want to believe.
Or maybe its some kind of mind control.
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marcus says
is that why libs still think man caused global climate change?
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Bap33 says
Yes, all the scientists who are far more intelligent than you, and who work very hard at being unbiased and relying on logic, analysis and data, made an exception this time, and decided to be biased and reach their conclusions based on emotion,....why ?
Obviously it's because they were liberals, and they ascertained the huge benefits that would accrue to the science world if it were in fact true that global warming is caused by man's activity.
(they also conveniently ignore all of the average to below average intelligence types who have the common sense and gut feelings to know that the massively significant impact humans have on our atmosphere coinciding with climate change is just a coincidence.)
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Bap33 says
It's neither a lie nor the truth. It's a scientific theory. Those who believe it are not liars and those who disbelieve it aren't either.
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marcus says
Science has a well known liberal bias. The conservative viewpoint knows that God Did It and doesn't need any of this fancy research and experimentin'
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and those responses show that the truth must hurt ... interesting.
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Yes, the truth ( i.e. how stupid humans can be ) does hurt. It hurts a lot.
What is so bad about intelligence logic and facts anyway ?
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The "science" behind the LIE of human caused climate change has been called bullshit by the same guys that Al Gore built his empire upon. Silly guys like me knew it was bullshit, and we also know that the focus of reduced fuel useage is ONLY to hurt America, since China will use all they can and ruin ecosystems without concern, and for some reason the greeny freaks ignore those facts.
So, in relation to the post you made, that people grasp unto whatever fits their personal point of view, even when it has been found to be false,,,, I agree. I agree with your point. I just gave an example that bothers you and others, but is factual. You chose to believe the absurd man-made climate change crap, because it fits your personal template. Right?
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The only thing that bothers me is that you have no regard for facts, and you present yourself to be more stupid than I can possibly fathom. You're a good ol boy Bap and I'd love to have beer with you or go fishing with you, but man I can not believe the lies that you are willing to believe.
As Nomo said, it's a theory, but there is enough evidence to support it that a huge majority of scientist beleve it to be true (or likely true - which is enough to deserve attention and policy changes). Now, I understand that you feel your gut feeling or what you heard from right wing propaganda deserves equal consideration with what the majority of best sceintists believe, but dude don't you see how insane that is ?
I mean WHAT THE FUCK ?? really ?
Please share some sources. Let me guess, there's always that email scandal where a couple researchers were shown to want their research to support a conclusion. Omg !! Then it has to be false !!
Please, if you think
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Can you show me some evidence that isn't some right wing yahoo talking out of their ass ?
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no, that is the only evidence that there is.
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php
there are a dozen or so easy reads listed here. None are Fox news or Rush's, so maybe they might get half-credit.
Dr. Nomo is correct. It is all theroy.
Know this my friend, I am a HUGE conservationist on the micro and local level. HUGE. And the big money greed of development groups joins forces with pro-growth groups found in education and medicine, and a conservationist like me gets slammed every time. Do you realize that my anti-invasion point of view is 50% grounded in conservation and resourse protection for my area?? It is. We feed the entire world from this valley, and greed and stupidity keeps building houses and schools and prisons where food should be growing. We need to build a few more dams and we need the homes and other town items to be built in the more "rocky" ground of the foothills, where only cattle, rabbit, and snakes hang out. But, the Golden Rule says that those who make the rules (growth pattern) hold the gold (the land they own (or buddy's own) is where groth is aimed). It is frustrating.
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There's no question that scumbag politicians (like Al Gore) will do anything for money. And there's plenty idiotic propaganda out there (a la "The Day After Tomorrow")
But the science is solid:
1) global temperatures really are rising, regardless of the cause
2) when you burn carbon-based stuff, you get co2
3) atmospheric co2 has been rising steadily with fossil fuel use
3) co2 is one of the greenhouse gasses
Now there's a lot of debate over:
1) how much of the observed warming is directly from the extra co2
2) how much warming will occur in the future
3) the effects of warmer temperatures on extreme weather, agriculture, etc
4) what can be done to reduce co2
But the basic science is well understood and not really in doubt. It's not a big conspiracy by environmental wackos.
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Marcus,
It's much more serious than your cartoon would imply. We are very dependent on fossil fuels for the lifestyle you and I take for granted.
Hopefully this will change. Maybe someone will get fusion power to work. Or maybe solar energy collection and storage technology will get much better. Smart people are working on stuff like this.
But in the short term we are very dependent on fossil fuels. Sad, but true.
If you want to see what it would take to get a country like Britain off fossil fuels with current technology, see:
http://www.withouthotair.com/
And that doesn't even take into account the economic/financial/social/political aspects involved.
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Bap, I know you would probably have about as much respect for the commie pinko fags at greenpeace as I have for globalwarminghoax.com, but I ran accross this looking to see who funds that site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory
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You do know that anyone can make a website, right ? I have one.
It would seem that the individuals behind globalwarminghoax.com want to keep their identities secret.
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marcus says
It's probably Astroturf.
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@marcus +5 points for the (really close) reference to "Uneasy Rider" by Charlie Daniels Band "..... he's a friend of those long haird hippie type pinko fags...."
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Nomograph says
In case you forgot ONE of the many of your leaders attempts to correct real estate prices. I am sure it is more denial than selective memory.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/02/17/us-obama-idUSTRE51G5X720090217
ps. Yes I am afraid Obama is selling us out.
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TMAC54 says
You are getting off-topic again. You claimed that Obama "bailed out the banks" when TARP was a Bush program.
Why do you prefer lies to the truth, TMAC? The truth will set you free. Are you afraid of freedom?
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Nomograph says
tarp harp hamp hemp wtf. We choose new captains to steer our ship AWAY from icebergs. Our latest will contest them for personal ego.
The topic "why we hate B.O." ?
My answer... He knew real property prices could NOT be saved.
Still, he wastes trillions kickin the can down the road.
Did you ever believe gubmint could curtail the correction of real estate value ?
Or was you just hoping really hard ?
http://www.whatamimissinghere.com/archives/13522
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Why do you prefer lies to the truth? Are you afraid of freedom, TMAC?
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Nomograph says
Yes, the bank bailout AND the GM bailout originated with Bush.
Chrysler had been going downhill for a number of years before that. They were essentially handed over to Fiat. Chrysler as an American entity is disappearing. We've already seen a number of Chrysler dealerships here change their names to Fiat.
What you say is true.
That's precisely why I say all of what we've seen was preordained. McCain was an awful candidate in 2008 just as Dole was as bad or worse in 1996. Mondale and Dukakis were essentially straw dogs.
We've lost our sovereignty. Obama was put there to shepherd the bailouts through Congress. In return, we gave him Bob Dole's healthcare bill from the nineties. Whether or not it passes muster at the Supreme Court is anyone's guess but from the way he treated Roberts and Alito, I would say they'll find any excuse they can to throw out the mandate. That was a rookie move and he should have known better.
Obama is no longer needed. The danger is past and now we need a President and Congress (and Fed chief) capable of cleaning all this up.
My father made A LOT of money working in the insurance business between 1976-1980. I'm wondering if this is a similar period coming upon us now.
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Every president has an irreducible % on each side, but some of this president's supporters try to blame pre-existing hatred for opposition to any of Obama's policies (even when he does the opposite of what he campaigned on). That makes it seem like more people hate him, when in fact there are some % who hate him and a larger % who simply disagree with his policies (including people who believed in what he campaigned on).
The biggest example is ObamaCare, which he had campaigned against when it was called Hillary's Plan and Democrats voted against it. Whatever your theory, it has to be consistent with the facts, including (1) Obama won the presidency by the widest margin of any Democrat in more than 40 years; (2) he started out with >+50% net approval; (3) his net approval plunged more than 40 points during the ObamaCare debate:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-favorable-rating
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
The president may not have changed during that time, but some of his policies did, especially that one, in a way that reaches out and touches everyone intimately whether they want it or not. The visceral reaction was entirely predictable.
Also some of Obama's well intentioned supporters, e.g. former President Carter, made a poisonous mistake by blaming racism for opposition to ObamaCare. Was it racist when Democratic voters chose then Senator Obama's original plan over then Senator Clinton's plan? Having opposed Hillary's Plan when it was named for a white woman, why would people support it when it gets re-named for a black man who had previously opposed it? People hoped for change they could believe in, and got a politician like any other, maybe a bit more disappointing than most because as a candidate he argued so well on behalf of good plans that he then abandoned in favor of what he had previously opposed.
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Nomograph says
That's just it. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks. On economic issues, there isn't much difference between the two. The only difference is on Gays, Guns, n' God.
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Bush was a lib spender like crazy on too many social programs, but a he was conservative defender of all Americans, including Code Pink. Lord Barry only defends the folks he feels best fit his needs. Black Panthers get defended, but the soldiers that were shot by Hassain in Texas get no defense ..... the border agents shot by the weapons handed out by Holder get no defense .... it's a pick and choose system. Where has Code Pink went?
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Or the white guy called Kennedy who has been pushing it for how many decades ? Its all the same plan...
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Game Over, maybe Patrick has LOTS of red shirts. I don't see anything wrong with red - although I seldom agree with Patrick on matters of politics.
You know what they say about the Irish: Strong backs, Weak minds. Haha [I get to say that because I'm part Irish]
BTW, BO supports the wealth takers, not the wealth makers.
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thomas.wong1986 says
The Clintons also tried to sell the same plan in 1994, when it was called ClintonCare, but the public revolted and Bill dropped it like a hot potato. Democrats still lost the midterm, but Bill got a second term.
The only person who ever succeeded in selling this plan was Mitt Romney, in Massachusetts, where it led (predictably) to more spending and more hospitalizations. Romney says now that he opposes it at the federal level, but RomneyCare is clearly his biggest liability among Republican voters.
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Nomo,
Where'd you get that graphic that shows the spending under Bush vs. Obama?
I'm not saying I don't believe it. But I don't see a "source" on there anywhere.
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I'll answer for him. That graphic has been around for a while
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24editorial_graph2.html
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Thanks.
It just goes to show that Fiscal Conservatism really is DEAD.
Democrats = Tax and Spend
Republicans = Borrow and Spend More Than Democrats
That makes the Democrats more fiscally responsible than the Republicans.
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wthrfrk80 says
By far.
Obviously if we paid for what we spent we would have to make the tough decisions.
But it's not that hard to understand the strategy behind republicans borrow and spend. Run up deficits so high that democrats can't afford their programs in the future (aka "starve the beast"). I guess the possible financial ruin of our country is just a risk they are willing to take, if it helps avoid spending on social programs in the future.
(oh and besides - side benefit: for now the rich get richer)
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marcus says
A totally insane strategy. But then again, politicians aren't known for thinking past the next election cycle. So you're probably correct.
Of course, Bush gave us Medicare D. So even the Republicans will do social spending if they can buy votes with it (in that case the senior citizen vote).
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What a joke. Obama is not any better than Bush. They have the same policies across the board. I notice they are putting both wars on Bush's side and the bank bailouts even though Obama has pushed for and continued all the same policies. Both parties are the same. The sooner people realize this, the better.
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Nomograph says
This chart has somehow left out just a tiny bit of math i.e.
Obama Care which the CBO is now stating a minimum of
2.1 trillion.
TALF
HALP
PIPP
TWIST
Bail out of Fanne #2
Opening the discount windo to any instituion
Giving the banks 0% so they can buy treasuries @ 3%
Extended unemployment
Increased food stamp program
Other acronyms that are just boring to go into
Corporate Bail outs
During nine month periord in 2009 Mr. Obama let the Government hand out...................................Wait for it..............................Wait for it...................................7 Trillion,
Thats right 7 Trillion, confirmed by Bloomberg and the WSJ
through a Freedom of Information Act request.
Look over there at the discrimination, see the shinney ball. Look at the evil conservatives, wow listen to that loud noise.
It's all misdrection Patrick, both parties are pros at getting there followers to believe and look at what they want them to.
Obama lost the following of cross over republicans and independents when the health care bill got shoved thru in the middle of the night on a weekend, that gave literal birth to the Tea Party, and the sweeping change in the midterm election. It had nothing to do with black.
He had tons of crossover voters supper excited in '08 about "Hope and Change" "Transperency" but instead they got bullying, Presidential Executive orders and regulations up the whahzooo, as well as 15 Trillion in dept as it stands right now.
Follow the money Patrick it's always about the money, nothing else.
I'm a huge fan and have been for years, thank you for all your efforts.
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The problem with the graphic is it says new programs...
It is highly misleading given that Obama allowed the bush tax cuts to continue and frankly has done little to actually change bush policies.
And the other factor is that congress controls spending. In all due respect it generally is a bad thing to have congress controlled by the same party as the president..six of eight years of bush were like this and two of clintons and pretty much one of obamas.
Gridlock isn't that bad as it blocks spending..that's what the 90's taught us.