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Funny how the Obama haters can't say exactly why they hate him


By Patrick   Follow   Wed, 9 Nov 2011, 6:45am PST   28,276 views   292 comments
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Is it the 15 cent Christmas tree tax?

I don't think so.

Hate for Obama is something they can't explain by anything Obama has done or not done.

Just they hate him because... well, you know.

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iwog   Mon, 5 Mar 2012, 8:39am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 173

TPB says

It's up to you Comrade FortWayne, but at this rate, you might not have a choice or the right to vote the next time around.

Really? That's the crap you're going to shovel on this one?

Define "at this rate". Name a single action by the Democrats or Obama that has inched us down the road toward banishing the constitutional right to vote for our political leaders?

Republicans? Oh hell yes! Movements to defund elections and make voting centers more remote or difficult to get to, abolishing or strictly limiting absentee voting, overzealous attempts at documentation, and convictions for outright voting fraud are hallmarks of the Republican party.

But Democrats? Go ahead, lets hear your support your assertion.

Dan8267   Tue, 6 Mar 2012, 10:28am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 174

Patrick says

Funny how the Obama haters can't say exactly why they hate him

So true, except for us rare independents. I hate Obama for the exact same reasons I hate Bush. The exact same reasons.

Dan8267   Tue, 6 Mar 2012, 10:30am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 175

Honest Abe says

Because he's fundamentally changing America for the worst.

Correction: because he's fundamentally staying the course America for the worst.

Dan8267   Tue, 6 Mar 2012, 10:32am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 176

iwog says

Name a single action by the Democrats or Obama that has inched us down the road toward banishing the constitutional right to vote for our political leaders?

I'm more concerned about my Constitutional right not to be on a secret government hit list of American citizens. You know, the whole due process thing.

Dan8267   Tue, 6 Mar 2012, 10:33am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)     Comment 177

TPB says

It's up to you Comrade FortWayne, but at this rate, you might not have a choice or the right to vote the next time around.

William E Baughb

The USA Patriot Act could be used to suspend elections in an emergency, where emergency is defined at the sole discretion of the president. Pretty much, the president can do anything under the USA Patriot Act.

Of course, Republicans are mostly responsible for that act.

Honest Abe   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 10:15am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 178

Dan, you're right, the repub's are mostly responsible for the unpatriotic US Patriot Act...but what has Messiah Obama done to reduce or eliminate it? Anything at all?????

thomas.wong1986   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 12:11pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Comment 179

Dan8267 says

I'm more concerned about my Constitutional right not to be on a secret government hit list of American citizens. You know, the whole due process thing.

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

thomas.wong1986   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 12:36pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 180

Patrick says

Hate for Obama is something they can't explain by anything Obama has done or not done.
Just they hate him because... well, you know.

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama.. but certainly does hang with very abnormal questionable hateful people who would rather see me, a white man, dead.

And you ask, why does Patrick feel some hate Obama?
This is a rather strange question.

Father Flagler (Radical racist advocating black liberation theology)

William Ayers (anti-american terrorist who helped launch his career, leader of a group which bombed the pentagon)

Reverend Wright (race baiting spiritual mentor who espouses black liberation theology and was his paster for 20 years, baptizing his children and conducting his marraige ceremony)

Saul Alinsky (mentor, author of Rules for Radicals, an anti-american instruction book in which he dedicated to satan)

FortWayne   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 1:48pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 181

iwog says

It's not a close thing. Democrats are FAR more fiscally responsible than Republicans

Why did so fiscally responsible Obama reappoint all the same people back that caused the financial collapse in the first place? The only person that was let go was Greenspan, and that was before Obama even took the office.

Why are government unions, LAUSD for example, no matter how much money is thrown at them always spend more than they take in?.... someone isn't very responsible with money.

freak80   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 2:19pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 182

thomas.wong1986 says

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

Well put. But watch the spelling: "you are" = "you're", not "your" ;-)

Kevin   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 4:56pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 183

but certainly does hang with very abnormal questionable hateful people who would rather see me, a white man, dead.

Still claiming to not be a racist?

3 of the 4 people you mention here are white men.

2 of the 4 Obama has never even spoken to (one died when he was 10 years old!)

Only one of those people on your list is even someone that you could say had any influence on the man, and the only things you know about him are a few controversial out-of-context video clips that were used to attempt to harm Obama in the 2008 election.

And the funny thing about that one person is that the "controversial" stuff that he said would be completely agreed upon by most of the Obama haters if it came out of the mouth of a white conservative. It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

thomas.wong1986   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 5:15pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 184

wthrfrk80 says

Well put. But watch the spelling: "you are" = "you're", not "your" ;-)

using email at work answering 100+ messages a day for 25+ years and than at home and now on my cell phone does that to you.. your spelling/grammer takes a hit but its ok...

thomas.wong1986   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 5:42pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 185

Kevin says

2 of the 4 Obama has never even spoken to (one died when he was 10 years old!)

nazis today hail hitler everday, none ever met or spoke to hitler ever in their life. Obama was heavily influences by Saul Alinsky.
The other 3 are nut cases and have connections with then community organizer Obama.

Kevin says

3 of the 4 people you mention here are white men.

white, black, asian.. they can all be blind racist drones..

Whats racist... Derrick Bell
“I Live to Harass White Folks"
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thomas.wong1986   Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 6:17pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 186

Kevin says

It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

This isnt the former Warsaw Block Eastern Europe! so talk of anti-government talk is crap. Our system works fine ! You need to drive into the heartland of this great nation one day and meet its people, the heart and soul.

Nomograph   Sat, 17 Mar 2012, 12:16am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 187

thomas.wong1986 says

Father Flagler (Radical racist advocating black liberation theology)

William Ayers (anti-american terrorist who helped launch his career, leader of a group which bombed the pentagon)

Reverend Wright (race baiting spiritual mentor who espouses black liberation theology and was his paster for 20 years, baptizing his children and conducting his marraige ceremony)

Saul Alinsky (mentor, author of Rules for Radicals, an anti-american instruction book in which he dedicated to satan)

All these specious arguments were already used in the last election and failed miserably. A losing strategy is a losing strategy.

The whole "Obama is a Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Kenyan, American-hating, freedom-hating, corrupt, anti-Christian, swimming pool hating, Christmas tree taxing devil incarnate" argument will get you EXACTLY where it got you in 2008.

Kevin   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 5:55am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 188

thomas.wong1986 says

Kevin says

It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

This isnt the former Warsaw Block Eastern Europe! so talk of anti-government talk is crap. Our system works fine ! You need to drive into the heartland of this great nation one day and meet its people, the heart and soul.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Dan8267   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 7:33am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 189

Honest Abe says

Dan, you're right, the repub's are mostly responsible for the unpatriotic US Patriot Act...but what has Messiah Obama done to reduce or eliminate it? Anything at all?????

Absolutely nothing. Which is one of many reasons why Obama is a terrible president.

The Republicans could take advantage of this if it weren't for the fact that they are for all the same bad policies as Obama.

Dan8267   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 7:42am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 190

thomas.wong1986 says

Dan8267 says

I'm more concerned about my Constitutional right not to be on a secret government hit list of American citizens. You know, the whole due process thing.

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

You don't have to be important to have your rights trampled on, to be tortured, falsely imprisoned, or executed. Just ask the Uighurs. Just ask Rodney King.

Just ask Abner Louima, the innocent nobody who was tortured and raped by police including having a plunger put up his ass literally. And for what? The police mistakenly identified him for some guy who got in a street fight outside of a nightclub.

If you think you are safe because you are a nobody, you're dumber than you sound. You are not safe because you are a nobody. People who are connected to power and wealth are safe. Nobodies like you and me are not.

Furthermore, more people have died from Stalin and Hitler each than have died from all the criminals and all the terrorists in all of history combined. The power of the state to do evil is far greater than the power of terrorists. You are far more likely to be killed by your own government than by some terrorist.

Dan8267   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 7:44am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 191

thomas.wong1986 says

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama

He's not a decent person. Decent people don't torture and murder. And having a list of U.S. citizens to assassinate without trial is murder, plain and simple. The only reason to deny a person a trial is that the state has no case against him.

Dan8267   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 7:48am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 192

FortWayne says

Why did so fiscally responsible Obama reappoint all the same people back that caused the financial collapse in the first place? The only person that was let go was Greenspan, and that was before Obama even took the office.

Simple: Obama is not fiscally responsible. Even when Greenspan left, of his own accord, he was replaced with Bernake, who is even worse.

TPB   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 8:02am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 193

One hundred days before the election, I promise to come here and post one valid reason to dislike Obama every day until election day.

No Name calling, and no low blow by talking unsubstantiated GOP talking points. I will list a fact a day in this very thread. Or I will start a new one if this one is gone.

Dan8267   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 8:06am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (2)     Comment 194

TPB says

One hundred days before the election, I promise to come here and post one valid reason to dislike Obama every day until election day.

Why wait? I've listed plenty of reasons to dislike, even hate, Obama.

I wonder, however, are your reasons going to be important ones, and if so, won't they also apply to the vast majority of Republicans? After all, Obama is more of a Republican than a Democrat in policy. He's more like Bush than he's like Ted Kennedy by far. Hell, he's more like Bush than he's like Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Hell, he's more like Bush than that guy on SNL who impersonates him.

Kevin   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 9:03am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 195

Dan8267 says

thomas.wong1986 says

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama

He's not a decent person. Decent people don't torture and murder. And having a list of U.S. citizens to assassinate without trial is murder, plain and simple. The only reason to deny a person a trial is that the state has no case against him.

I'm quite certain that a "decent person" by that standard would never be president.

Even a well intentioned president (or, really, the leader of any country) is going to have to do some pretty vile things. People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

Dan8267   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 9:14am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 196

Kevin says

People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

There's a big difference between "always doing the morally right thing even when it's dangerous" versus "fuck all human rights, I'll kill anyone who looks funny to me". It's a false dichotomy to say either you have to abandon human rights, habeas corpus, and rule of law or you have to let the terrorists will win.

Today is the safest time in all of human existence. You are less likely to be murdered than at any other time in the past 200,000 years. But if you are murdered, it's far more likely to be your government doing the evil deed than a terrorist.

Kevin says

I'm quite certain that a "decent person" by that standard would never be president.

As far as I know, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower all were presidents without suspending habeas corpus, without torturing, without having lists of U.S. citizens to assassinate. And the cold war was every bit as trying as the war on terror.

We cannot win the war on terror by making our government the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

freak80   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 9:22am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 197

Kevin says

Even a well intentioned president (or, really, the leader of any country) is going to have to do some pretty vile things. People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

Sad. But true.

Kevin   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 1:29pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 198

Dan8267 says

As far as I know, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower all were presidents without suspending habeas corpus, without torturing, without having lists of U.S. citizens to assassinate. And the cold war was every bit as trying as the war on terror.

So your definition of "decent person" seems to be "only kills people and does other horrible things to people who aren't american citizens*"

I wouldn't doubt for even a second that any one of those men (well, maybe not carter, he's kind of a pussy) would have ordered the killing or detention of american citizens had they been viewed as a threat the way that the government currently views organized terrorism.

* And even that also happened. Kent State anyone?

Dan8267 says

We cannot win the war on terror by making our government the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

We can not "win" the war on terror, period.

We should also not be bringing hyperbole here. What government actions are being done for the sole purpose of frightening people into meeting some demand or changing their way of life?

Governments do appalling things all the time, which is why they must be held accountable, but to act like anything that has happened over the last decade is really new is laughable. From the treatment of native americans, to the civil war, to blacks, to unions, to student protestors, to war protestors, there's plenty of history of our own government doing shitty things.

I firmly believe that any president in office would be doing the same, or worse, than anything that Obama has done. Everyone who has run for the office in the last 10 years has promised to do exactly that.

The only thing that's going to get the government to stop doing these horrible things is for the citizens to stand up and say that it's wrong. When a strong majority of people believe that it's OK to shoot anyone that is identified as a possible terrorist threat, you should be happy that we're at least still respecting the constitution when on american soil.

Dan8267   Sun, 18 Mar 2012, 1:58pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 199

Kevin says

So your definition of "decent person" seems to be "only kills people and does other horrible things to people who aren't american citizens*"

You pulled that out of your ass, not out of my philosophy. Try again.

My only point is that none of the prior administrations had gone to the extreme level of evil that the current and past one did. Therefore, you are incorrect in concluding that this level of evil is necessary to combat terrorism or ensure national security. Your statement is empirically false.

Any conclusion beyond that is your assertion, not mine.

Kevin says

I wouldn't doubt for even a second that any one of those men (well, maybe not carter, he's kind of a pussy) would have ordered the killing or detention of american citizens had they been viewed as a threat the way that the government currently views organized terrorism.

Kennedy and Eisenhower certainly would not. And as for Carter, not killing innocents hardly makes one a pussy.

Kevin says

We can not "win" the war on terror, period.

Then the Constitution shouldn't be suspended during this period of indefinite war.

Kevin says

Governments do appalling things all the time, which is why they must be held accountable, but to act like anything that has happened over the last decade is really new is laughable.

Gitmo, the suspension of Habeas Corpus, government stating that assassination of U.S. citizens is legal are all new in American history. So yes, our government has become materially worse in the past 12 years.

Kevin says

I firmly believe that any president in office would be doing the same, or worse, than anything that Obama has done.

And there you are wrong. There are no fewer than 1 million Americans who would have done a better and more ethical job than Obama, and that's an extremely conservative estimate.

Kevin says

Everyone who has run for the office in the last 10 years has promised to do exactly that.

Except Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Ralph Nadar. And if people voted for these two instead of all the assholes, there would be more people like them in office. Electing people like Elizabeth Warren and William Black would help a lot too.

Kevin says

The only thing that's going to get the government to stop doing these horrible things is for the citizens to stand up and say that it's wrong. When a strong majority of people believe that it's OK to shoot anyone that is identified as a possible terrorist threat, you should be happy that we're at least still respecting the constitution when on american soil.

And on that, we agree. Well, except that I don't believe "we're" respecting the Constitution on American soil.

Honest Abe   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 12:39am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 200

The Joker's real persona:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/17/elle-macpherson-loves-obama-i-m-socialist-what-do-you-expect

He wants to fundamentaly destroy American values and substitute the failed policies of redistribution, when it was free enterprise that made America great in the first place.

Free enterprise = America, USA
Redistribution = Amerika, USSA

freak80   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 1:11am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 201

Honest Abe says

He wants to fundamentaly destroy American values and substitute the failed policies of redistribution, when it was free enterprise that made America great in the first place.
Free enterprise = America, USA
Redistribution = Amerika, USSA

ITPRWPORT?

Bap33   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 3:42am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)     Comment 202

I do not hate Lord Barry. Lord Barry is simply the man .... the figure head of the movement/ideals/principality that is against traditional American culture, values and beliefs as found on Leave it to Beaver, Fozie, George Lopez, Karate Kid, Full House, Family Matters and Cosby Show.

I hate evil. The oposite of good. Lord Barry's group, and their supporters, do not agree with me and other conservos on what is evil and what is good.

I am pretty sure we have went over this stuff a few times already. Good and Evil ... right and wrong ... it is from here that the split begins.

thunderlips11   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 4:10am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 203

Bap33 says

I do not hate Lord Barry. Lord Barry is simply the man .... the figure head of the movement/ideals/principality that is against traditional American culture, values and beliefs as found on Leave it to Beaver, Fozie, George Lopez, Karate Kid, Full House, Family Matters and Cosby Show.

Do you have specific examples?

freak80   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 4:10am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 204

Bap,

What has Obama actually done to negate any of those values and beliefs? He's only a president, you know.

I can understand being against Obama: Obamacare seems like another givaway to Big Health Insurance.

As for the economy, I'm not sure what Obama (or any other president) can do to revive an economy suffering from the necessary debt-deleveraging "hangover" that comes after a period of irrational exuberance.

What I think we need is sound money. Ultra low interest rates encourage "yield chasing," excessive risk-taking, and serial bubbles.

Bap33   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 6:51am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 205

@80,
I said Lord Barry is only a man. Where did I place blame for today's situation on him? He is only a representative figure of the "problem" in my estimation.

@thunderlips,
I'm pretty sure Lord Barry's group has taken a position on immigration, God in public, guns, gays, welfare, and issues such as those, that does not match the position of -- lets say, Tea Party people -- for example. And, as in my example, members of Lord Barry's group do not seem to like/agree/embrace the America depicted in those shows I put up. While I think we can all agree that the Tea Party members are depicted in such shows, or at least associate with them in a positive way. I just used some shows that most folks would know, and to save a bunch of time with details and explanations to only have them be thrown out. That may have been a bad medium to choose.

But, to be honest, I am not sure what you are looking for in the way of examples. My original premis may lack the detail to satisfy your question.

freak80   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 7:06am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 206

If he's only a man, why "Lord Barry" as if he were a King or God? That's what I meant.

Bap33   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 7:56am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 207

he came to power with zero background, as if chosen by some devine power.

his followers allow him free run, giving blind obedience.

those who oppose him or his system are demonized with great effort.

he shows no reverence for the laws of man

his words and actions bring warmth to his followers, while his words and actions bring fear and anger to his opposers.

he operates above any oversight.

I guess I just went with Lord Barry to get used to doing by choice something that will be demanded of us all starting Dec. 21, 2012 - if he wins - and he really might.

If he does win, we might not see another election in America without first having a civil war to reset the nation. Just a hunch.

Honest Abe   Mon, 19 Mar 2012, 8:26am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 208

Bap - You're right on. In fact there is a book called "Surviving Civil War II. Preparing for Economic, Social, and Political Collapse".

It postulates only two possible outcomes: (1) the productive class, for generations to come, resigns themselves to involuntary servitude. Political and economic bondage. Slavery if you will. OR (2) There is a civil war and revolt of the productive class. In other words, an economic default on the requirement and obligation to support the non-productive class.

Whats surprising to me is how a small, bitter, jealous, envious, manipulative, pathologically dependent, highly vocal crowd can sway public opinion and get laws passed that are slowly but surely destroying America. Creeping tyranny.

God bless America, God save America. [Thank God I'm an athiest].

thunderlips11   Tue, 20 Mar 2012, 1:28am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike     Comment 209

Latest Birther freakout: Ayers put Obama through school, claims route postman.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/postman-ayers-family-put-foreigner-obama-through-school/

Funny how the Postman remembers shit from 40 years ago.

freak80   Tue, 20 Mar 2012, 1:31am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 210

World Nut Daily. Always a reliable source.

Honest Abe   Tue, 20 Mar 2012, 3:01am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)     Comment 211

Thunder and wtfker, always throwing stones, criticising and casting dispersions - without ever stating potential solutions. Your problem is that you see big government as the solution to every problem in America.

But wait, if we can only get those evil people who provide jobs and pay their taxes according to the current tax laws to pay "their fair share" then all the problems in America would disappear.

You worship the sociopaths in power, collectively known as Government.

leo707   Tue, 20 Mar 2012, 3:17am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 212

Honest Abe says

You worship the sociopaths in power, collectively known as Government.

Ah... a point of view that is adorably naive.

You say that like you actually believe that the government has not been bought and payed for by the richest 0.1%.

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