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Latest CNN 2012 poll published: It's not even close

By iwog   Follow   Thu, 22 Dec 2011, 2:04pm   2,620 views   28 comments
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Obama beats everyone in his strongest showing since April. Newt would lose by double-digits while Romney and Ron Paul are both 7 points behind.

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1. Kevin Follow Befriend 40 threads 2,652 comments

   1   3:55pm Thu 22 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   I would love to see a Ron Paul / Obama debate. RP: Sound money, military intervention, "freedom" Obama: Dude, I killed bin Laden and people like medicare.

2. clambo Follow Befriend (5) 1,070 comments Santa Cruz, CA

   2   5:01pm Thu 22 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Well, when they elect presidents using a CNN poll, it would be significant news. Since they don't yet, you'll all have to wait until November 2012.

3. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   3   5:21pm Thu 22 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   clambo says Well, when they elect presidents using a CNN poll, it would be significant news. Since they don't yet, you'll all have to wait until November 2012. Do you think Newt and Romney care about CNN polls? Like it or not, national polls almost always correctly predict the outcome of an election. The only exceptions are extremely close races, and Rasmussen. (the worst performing poll agency by far and the most biased) http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/ Interestingly, all polls seemed to reflect a Republican bias according to this study. I first noticed this in 2008 when Obama was predicted to win, but lose states like Virgina and Indiana. In 2010 the polls were even more biased towards Republicans. People don't remember it now, but in 2009 the Pubes were crowing about taking both the House and the Senate in a landslide.

4. Anonymousone Follow Befriend (2) 511 threads 521 comments Anonymousone's website

   4   5:26pm Thu 22 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   Kevin says I would love to see a Ron Paul / Obama debate. RP: Sound money, military intervention, "freedom" Obama: Dude, I killed bin Laden and people like medicare. Lol...but that will be a really good debate to watch.

5. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   5   5:28pm Thu 22 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   More on how pathetic Rasmussen can be: (from Wiki) "He (Nate Silver of the NYT) singled out as an example the Hawaii Senate Race, in which Rasmussen showed the incumbent 13 points ahead, although in actuality Inouye won by 53 – a difference of 40 points, or "the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998". The deeper you dig into the neoconservative propaganda machine, the more rot you find.

6. msilenus Follow Befriend (3) 8 threads 335 comments

   6   7:20pm Thu 22 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Obama's been trending up for a while now. Rasmussen recently released an LV poll at the higher end of the recent range with a net approval rating of -1%. Very tight. Perhaps they updated their models. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html Silver thinks it's because the economy has been doing much better lately. The last few jobs reports reports have been beating expectations, and we got another good unemployment applications report today. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/explaining-obamas-approval-rating-bounce/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/economy-grew-at-18-percent-annual-rate-in-summer-slower-than-previous-estimates/2011/12/22/gIQArk5NBP_story.html

7. Nomograph Follow Befriend (1) 104 threads 2,851 comments

   7   6:25am Fri 23 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Cloud says Repubs love Iwog, Dems do too.... . . . and pedophile Catholic priests love Cloud. Go team pedophile. Rah rah rah.

8. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 171 threads 4,211 comments Premium

   8   6:30am Fri 23 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   The only hope for Freedom is for the GOP to nominate Orly Taitz and for her to run with Herman Cain as veep.

9. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 52 threads 2,639 comments Premium

   9   7:58am Fri 23 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Kevin says I would love to see a Ron Paul / Obama debate. RP: Sound money, military intervention, "freedom" Obama: Dude, I killed bin Laden and people like medicare. I would too. RP: I'd get rid of the Patriot Act, I've always voted against it. Obama: The Patriot Act was expanded and I've adopted Yoo's positions on indefinite detention of US citizens. And on military trials. And on Gitmo. I've not just caved or conceded, I've turned into "W" on these issues. Suck it, libs. Whatcha gonna do? Punish me by voting for Ron Paul?

10. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 416 threads 4,137 comments Baltimore, MD

    10   10:56am Fri 23 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   I think if you look at an electoral college map you might get a different result than your CNN (Communist News Network) poll.

11. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    11   7:26pm Fri 23 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   zzyzzx says I think if you look at an electoral college map you might get a different result than your CNN (Communist News Network) poll. If the homeowner isn't insulted by your offer...you didn't bid low enough!!! Yeah I actually did that to make sure Obama's popular lead was also an electoral lead. http://thepage.time.com/2011/12/11/bam-tops-gopers-in-floridasouth-carolina/ Obama wins in South Carolina and basically murders both Newt and Romney in Florida. Again.......it's not even close. I think all the rational people here realize that Republicans cannot win the White House without Florida. Whatever happens in Florida, both Ohio and Pennsylvania are going to swing a bit more to the blue side giving Obama an easy win. For all practical purposes, no other states are in play. I will also mention that other polls show a statistical tie between Romney and Obama in Florida, but Gingrich doesn't have a chance in any poll from anyone. This pretty much confirms what most people are saying, which is that Mitt Romney has a chance to beat Obama but Newt Gingrich has no chance whatsoever and will basically guarantee Obama a 2012 win. So I guess it's GO NEWT!!!

12. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    12   7:26pm Fri 23 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   shrekgrinch says More Iwoggian Bullshit. Be careful not to say why, I wouldn't want you to have a stroke.

13. uomo_senza_nome Follow Befriend (13) 787 threads 1,542 comments

    13   12:40pm Wed 28 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Reich predicts it will be Obama-Clinton for 2012. http://robertreich.org/post/14932718385

14. ¥ Follow Befriend 35 threads 5,700 comments Bellingham, WA

    14   1:12pm Wed 28 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)   uomo_senza_nome says Reich predicts it will be Obama-Clinton for 2012. Cool. Sets her up for 2016, obviously. She'll be 70. zzyzzx says Communist News Network really, now. Right wingers are simply the stupidest people on the planet. You guys reinforce that with every stupid post you make.

15. ¥ Follow Befriend 35 threads 5,700 comments Bellingham, WA

    15   1:12pm Wed 28 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   thunderlips11 says Whatcha gonna do? Punish me by voting for Ron Paul? Knock yourself out with that.

16. uomo_senza_nome Follow Befriend (13) 787 threads 1,542 comments

    16   8:41am Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Bellingham Bill says Cool. Sets her up for 2016, obviously. Billy - I know you love Reich, but you do realize that he was the one who was pushing NAFTA through in the 90's and devastating the middle class in the process with all the globalization crap?

17. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    17   10:46am Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Cloud says Iwog, do you leave your pom poms in the car or do you bring them up to your desk with you? rah rah rah.... How come I think 5 or 6 years ago Iwog loved european socialism? Republicans love Iwog....divide and conquer... so do Dems....divide and conquer....16 trillion...nothing to see here folks...move along. Repub...Dem...doesn't matter the bigger the beast gets the richer you have to be to influence the show. Stop your fucking dross. LOL........thanks for that! It's going to make me happy all day.

18. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 416 threads 4,137 comments Baltimore, MD

    18   11:04am Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups 2012 Presidential Matchups Election 2012: Romney 45%, Obama 39%> Thursday, December 29, 2011 Mitt Romney has now jumped to his biggest lead ever over President Obama in a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup. It’s also the biggest lead a named Republican candidate has held over the incumbent in Rasmussen Reports surveying to date. The latest national telephone survey finds that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the former Massachusetts governor, while 39% prefer the president.

19. Payoff2011 Follow Befriend 5 threads 122 comments

    19   11:21am Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   I think we're going to find that the polls are waaaay off when votes come in for all caucuses, primaries and general election. Here's why... "One important potential shortcoming for both surveys: Neither samples mobile phones. As the Washington Post reports, the most recent estimates find that 29 percent of Iowa adults had a cell phone but no landline in their household." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/iowa-caucus-mitt-romney-polls_n_1174235.html I don't know if Iowa cell phone use is consistent with the rest of the country. If anything, it may be lower. I have not had a landline for years. More and more people I know have dropped their landline.

20. michaelsch Follow Befriend 21 threads 581 comments South Pasadena, CA

    20   12:27pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Obama beats everyone in his strongest showing since April. Newt would lose by double-digits while Romney and Ron Paul are both 7 points behind. If today Ron Paul is only 7 points behind Obama (in CNN poll), it means that if Paul gets the nomination he will certainly beat Obama.

21. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    21   1:55pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   zzyzzx says Mitt Romney has now jumped to his biggest lead ever over President Obama in a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup. It’s also the biggest lead a named Republican candidate has held over the incumbent in Rasmussen Reports surveying to date. The latest national telephone survey finds that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the former Massachusetts governor, while 39% prefer the president. Nothing Rasmussen publishes is valid. Like every other aspect of the right wing propaganda machine, it's corrupt and dies in the sunlight. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/ "The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points,including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998." Lets be real clear. Any polling agency that misses a Senate race by 40 points regardless of circumstances is utterly worthless and should be held with total contempt forever. End.

22. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    22   1:59pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   michaelsch says If today Ron Paul is only 7 points behind Obama (in CNN poll), it means that if Paul gets the nomination he will certainly beat Obama. I don't follow the logic. The problem with Ron Paul is Ron Paul, not some conspiracy to keep him out of the White House. Support doesn't grow if he becomes the nominee, it shrinks because people find out what he's really about.

23. Payoff2011 Follow Befriend 5 threads 122 comments

    23   4:33pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   The general election is 10 months away. None of us has a crystal ball to predict what events will happen in those 10 months to change minds of people being polled today. But, here is another problem with polling. I reached voting age a loooong time ago. I have been called for a political poll exactly once in all those decades. Statistically, shouldn't I have been contacted more than that? The polling does not catch a representative sample of voters. Also, on that one and only time I was asked to participate, my poll answers were thrown out. The questions are worded in such a way that I could not choose a legitimate answer to one of the compound questions. I told the polster that I did not agree with any of the available answers that question, so I was choosing not to answer it. She said that she could not submit an incomplete set of answers and hung up on me. The polls are going to be wrong. Count on it.

24. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 416 threads 4,137 comments Baltimore, MD

    24   4:45pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   iwog says Nothing Rasmussen publishes is valid. Like every other aspect of the right wing propaganda machine, it's corrupt and dies in the sunlight. I'm sure I could find a poll saying Ron Paul, Newt, or Hillary Clinton beating Obama if I searched enough. But Rasmussen isn't biased like CNN (Clinton News Network) is.

25. clambo Follow Befriend (5) 1,070 comments Santa Cruz, CA

    25   4:45pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Today Rasmussen shows Obama losing to Romney. It's not even close ;)

26. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,559 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    26   5:28pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   zzyzzx says I'm sure I could find a poll saying Ron Paul, Newt, or Hillary Clinton beating Obama if I searched enough. But Rasmussen isn't biased like CNN (Clinton News Network) is. Why did you ignore my support? Are you aware of how utterly pathetic Rasmussen has been in actual elections?

27. Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq Follow Befriend 53 threads 658 comments

    27   6:06pm Thu 29 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Someone told Matt Drudge and Rasmussen to get behind the Cultist and stop fucking around. Damn shame, I really want Fat Bastard to win and repeal all child labor laws.

28. Nomograph Follow Befriend (1) 104 threads 2,851 comments

    28   7:04am Sat 31 Dec 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Ron Paul