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1. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

   1   9:34pm Sat 14 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Dan8267 says Bap33 says All of the actions Dan shared have been committed by humans that did not know or believe in any God or any type. Really, the Spanish Inquisitors were atheists? Way to rewrite history. What I was trying to say is those things have been done by Godless people ALSO, not ONLY ... I see how my writing messed that up. Sorry.

2. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

   2   10:02pm Mon 16 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   oh contre', I was not suggesting anything, I used the issue to support my point that was given in light of your wink/nod about Catholic Church behavior (the OWS sleaze) and the Christian Church of God (the OWS movement). That is where the mention came from. It's up there a little ways.

3. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,078 comments

   3   6:51pm Tue 17 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Dan8267 says You can't get more systematic than 20 centuries of murder, rape, theft, and torture. What a mindless ingrate.

4. TPB Follow Befriend (1) 65 threads 1,209 comments

   4   7:14pm Wed 11 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   ... and Convicts!

5. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 763 threads 7,706 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   5   11:50am Thu 12 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   If that's the worst you can say about atheists, they should rule the world. If I were to criticize theists it would be for 1. Genocide 2. Torture 3. Murder 4. Rape 5. War 6. Theft 7. Oppression of human and civil rights 8. Suppression of scientific discovery 9. The resulting delay in finding cures for heart disease, cancer, and AIDS 10. The resulting delays in technologies like cold fusion and other clean energy. 11. The destruction of many historical items and texts. 12. Censorship of art, political views, social views, and other ideas. 13. Pedophilia and child marriages. 14. Keeping the masses in servitude. And that's just off the top of my head. Fap, fap, fap. Atheism enlightens and empowers the common man. Theism enslaves him.

6. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

   6   1:32pm Thu 12 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   So maybe the whole atheism/theism fight is really just a fight over power? Is it just two camps fighting over who gets to "rule the world"? What is it about us that we lust for power?

7. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

   7   2:38pm Thu 12 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   if those actions listed have been done by non-believers, then the assumptions tied to the claim are not supported. We all agree that man has done those things absent any God system in their life. WHat I wonder is, where does the basis for non-beliefe in God come from? The earliest known communications, from the most advanced social groups in the history of man on earth, mention all things coming from one source/being/power/presence. That "thing", the "what" was named God ... and in some cases God was given other names, such as Jehovah, the "who". Here's my wonder .... which came first, anthiestic man, or theistic man? I ask this because I kinda wonder why the historic non-God groups of man did so poorly in the game of life while on earth. They don't show up very much in any great number, and none of their pure/best ways of living, as suggested on here at times, resulted in much good or advancement for man. All of the advanced living groups that created/provided the environment where advanced inventions and advancement in math, medicine, and other techno advancements (non-war based), also had a belief system in place - I think. Even a super-smart scientist needs a functioning social system to survive and apply his art, not to mention learn it in the first place. It is hard to believe that the same condition of man that resulted in man's grasp for God, did not also play a role in the advancement of man. Right? (I made some grammer and spelling fixes just now, to help clear up my expressions - sorry for any frustration)

8. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 763 threads 7,706 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   8   9:20pm Thu 12 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Bap33 says if those actions listed have been done by non-believers, then the assumptions tied to the claim are not supported. Correction: If those actions were done by theists, but were not at all related to their religious beliefs, then yes indeed it would be wrong to blame faith for those actions. However, those actions were exactly caused by faith. The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the slaughter of Native Americans by the Conquistadors after the natives refused to worship Jesus, the murder of Hypatia, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, the Holocaust of the Jews, GW Bush invading Iraq because god told him to do so. I could go one endlessly, and have in previous threads. To deny that these actions were committed not because of theism is a bold face lie. So it is fair to hold the 3500 years of evil done in the name of faith against faith.

9. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 763 threads 7,706 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   9   9:31pm Thu 12 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Bap33 says which came first, anthiestic man, or theistic man? Before theism, none of are ancestors believed in any god. First came mysticism, then polytheism, then atheism, and then monotheism. Bap33 says I ask this because I kinda wonder why the historic non-God groups of man did so poorly in the game of life while on earth. They don't show up very much in any great number, and none of their pure/best ways of living, as suggested on here at times, resulted in much good or advancement for man. As little as a few hundred years ago, claiming to be an atheist would have gotten you killed. Is it any wonder that records of atheism only came after that. Do the math. And if your counting by years of popularity, polytheism has been practiced by far more generations than monotheism. Are you prepared to accept the notion of many bickering gods? Only a bit more than half of the world's population are monotheist. The rest are polytheist, agnostic, or atheist. Source And if you take away the people who really 1. Don't believe, but fake it for sake of family, neighbors, etc. 2. Don't give a shit and never think about god. 3. Go to church just because it's expected of them. Then I suspect that a good percentage of the Christians aren't believers.

10. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    10   12:00pm Fri 13 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Dan8267 says Except that atheists don't form hierarchical power structures like theists do. Really? The Russian communists didn't form hierarchical power structures? I don't think theists are the only ones that try to wield power.

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    11   1:06pm Fri 13 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   thunderlips11 says Do you think that was caused by the Atheism or the belief in the dictatorship of the proletariat and the fact that the Bolsheviks believed they needed organization to implement it? I don't know the details about the Bolsheviks, so I cannot comment. My point was simply this: the lust for power exists in both the religious and non-religious.

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    12   9:23pm Fri 13 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   wthrfrk80 says Dan8267 says Except that atheists don't form hierarchical power structures like theists do. Really? The Russian communists didn't form hierarchical power structures? I don't think theists are the only ones that try to wield power. See this posting. In fact, read the whole thread.

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    13   9:32pm Fri 13 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   So, how many people here have kiss Hank's ass? The theists in this thread certainly act like the two suits in that video.

14. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

    14   9:36pm Sat 14 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Dan8267 says Bap33 says And, one more time, the CATHOLIC CHURCH ACTIVITY is not the measure of CHRISTIANITY. Of course Catholicism is just one branch of Christianity, but it is hardly the only branch that has committed atrocities as I have shown many, many times. For example, it wasn't the Catholics justifying slavery in America by quoting the bible. Those were protestants in the Bible Belt. Lets use the OccupyWallStreet movement for example. There have been lots of rapes and drugs and filth done by people why say they are part of the movement, or done at functions held by the movement. Right. Does that mean that all OWS people are rapists or druggies?

15. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

    15   9:47pm Sun 15 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Dan8267 says And this is all coming from someone who has never smoked pot or tobacco in his life. I too have never done those, plus I have never been drunk. Not even once. My vice came from Adam's rib! lol

16. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

    16   9:48pm Sun 15 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Dan8267 says For example, it wasn't the Catholics justifying slavery in America by quoting the bible. a link of something for this, please.

17. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    17   6:35am Mon 16 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Dan8267 says Then I suspect that a good percentage of the Christians aren't believers. Dan, you and I finally agree on something! We should have a beer together to celebrate.

18. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 763 threads 7,706 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    18   9:23am Mon 16 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Bap33 says Dan8267 says There have been a lot of rapes at Occupy Wall Street? Um, I haven't heard about that. If there were, please post article links in the Politics forum. I did as you asked. I'd recommend renaming that thread to "Sexual Assaults Reported in 'Occupy' Camps" so that more people will read it and discuss the issue. I've always wondered how many young men attend protests simply to try to get sex.

19. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    19   2:01pm Mon 16 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   P N Dr Lo R says Well then I don't fall into the category of "most Christians" because those are indeed the things I believe! And I'd also say that the majority of other Christians I know believe them as well. I hope you're right! I just haven't had much luck finding Christians that still believe in anything that resembles historic Christianity. Maybe I just spend too much time on the internet...

20. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,097 comments

    20   9:11pm Mon 16 Jan 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Dan8267 says Bap33 says Dan8267 says For example, it wasn't the Catholics justifying slavery in America by quoting the bible. a link of something for this, please. You want a link that the Southern states were full of protestants not Catholics? Read this reply again and then do a Google search on - Jefferson Davis - Rev. Alexander Campbell - Rev. R. Furman I mis-read your post to say " it WAS Catholics that quoted the Bible ....". My badness on that one. Your post is correct.