How will the candidate of your choice be an improvement over Obama? What policies will be implemented...? Please be specific. I have my criticisms of Obama , incidentally, but I want to know who is better and why.
For Republican supporters out there... Which candidate do you support?
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It looks likely that Romney will be the Republican candidate. For those who plan to vote Republican, what are your thoughts?
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Romney is a robot for the top 0.1% and Corporate America. Obama hasn't stood up to the big banks. Democrats are supposed to be the ones that stand up to Big Business, and Obama has not. And ObamaCare is a joke.
I'll probably sit this election out. Elections don't matter...it's all about the money.
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I have some inspiration for a new post thanks!
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kentm says
I've called for Bush to be hung as a war criminal. He and the Republican's aren't my team, as you would clearly get if you read any of my posts on them.
I still stand by my statement. It is better to pay a short-term cost of having a Republican, even Romney in office than to pay a far longer-term cost of letting the Democrats become exactly like the Republicans. It's called game theory. And I have yet to hear a good counter-argument to this statement.
But if you want to talk issues, I'm more than willing to do that. I reserve the right to criticize both Obama and Bush in great detail. It's not mutually exclusive.
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DIE, Bushtard, DIE!
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I was hoping to actually get some good arguments here. With Romney in the forefront, how many Republicans will come out and vote for him, how many will write in a candidate and how many will simply stay home ?...
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Romney will shift the TRILLIONS saved from closing down the Planned Parenthood AbortionPlex, right into constructing a Mormon Temple on the National Mall. It's the right thing to do, and makes him clearly superior to Santorum or any of the other failed challengers.
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Dan8267 says
I am in the same boat a you in-that I have been pretty disappointed in several things that Obama has done. However...
1. I don't think that the Democrats are going to learn the lesson that you hope. I doubt loosing the election to the Republicans is going to teach Democrats that they need to be less like the Republicans in order to win elections. More likely their thought process will be, "...Hmmm... a Republican won... that must be what people want, to win we need to be more like Republicans."
2. I don't know that a Romney presidency would be just a short-term cost. Today we are living with some large issues that started with Republican presidencies over 30 years ago. Things seem to go in a cycle where Republicans in power funnel money and power to the wealthy, and Democrats just maintain whatever system was left to them -- maybe roll it back a little bit. So much wealth and power has been concentrated in a few hands that I am not sure we can roll it back if we go through one more Republican presidency. However, with the way Obama has been handling things I don't know if it matters too much.
I don't know if these are so much "counter-arguments" as they are concerns with the stated logic of voting a Republican at this point.
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leoj707 says
My impression is that politicians are good at only one thing: figuring out how to stay in office. If the demographics are right, a message can be sent that in order to stay in office, you have to respect the rights of the citizens.
Ideally a third party would win the presidency, but that's not going to happen due to the screwed up elections we hold. Over 200 years, and our country still hasn't figured out how to run elections. Pathetic.
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Vicente says
Ah, The Onion. Always hilarious!
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There really isn't much difference between Romney and Obama on "social" issues and health care.
There's even an Onion story about Romney using a time-machine to go back and kill the liberal version of himself.
The only difference is that Romney still believes in protecting and enriching the aristocracy at the expense of everyone else.
I'll probably sit this election out. It's all about the money anyway. K-Street money is what matters, not votes.
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wthrfrk80 says
Well... votes are what matter, it is just that people are significantly more susceptible to propaganda than they like to think, and K-Street money buys a lot of propaganda these days, i.e. votes.
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leoj707 says
True that.
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Dan8267 says
For that message to get sent in the way suggested enough people would have to be organized on the topic so that when the polls on votes are run it is clear to the outgoing candidate that their loss was not because their opponent was "better".
Probably enough people would have to be organized that they could viably get a third party candidate elected...
Dan8267 says
Yeah, agreed.
However, the problem is that most -- I am sure there are a few exceptions, Elizabeth Warren comes to mind -- who want to get into office probably should not be allowed to hold office. I think that it would be interesting to see social media/internet used to "draft" people into office through write in campaigns. The problem of organizing enough people to get the message across and make it work remains.
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michaelsch says
Never responded to this. No, I'm not.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html
The Jewish vote is one of the most reliably Democratic there is. Generally 75% go for the Ds, making them the 2nd most reliable behind African-Americans.
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Like we really have a choice who is president. what you think you are actually voting for who is the next president?
the person is picked for you silly.
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RON PAUL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The rest of these people are turds. Or worse, Realtors.
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I think that guy with the sign is right about voting.
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Ron Paul wants to take us back to the robber baron days of the late 1800s.
Do you want your kids working in coal mines with no safety regulations?
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wthrfrk80 says
Oh, no, no, no.... don't be silly. They want your kids working in coal mines with no safety regulations.
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LOL - also very true.
I like you Rowe your an ok guy. When I find signs of intelligent life. I get estatic. I watched Rupert Murdock chase himself through the press the other day no one said anything about it.
I think we can agree Ron Paul is a great "concept". A rational intelligent thought and a guy you can turn into a squirrel.
Yes they can do all that and more right in front of your eyes.
"If those 80 million peasants ever get together and find that guillotine and start heading our way we are fucked". The 00000.1 %
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leoj707 says
They don't really dig mines anymore. They use strip mining now.
"While you were sleeping they were busy stealing".
See part of the deal is its all people you see everything about humanity in the debt merchant news. Really the crazy bastards are carving the earth up. Stealing things in many more place than say Iraq. Thats what you do know. Stuff like this here goes on all over the world.
See basicially the religon stuff and everything that concerns humans is the shallow end of the pool. Like in Afganistan its about strip mining. They hold that one close. Same thing in Libya. In Iraq it is fairly obvious its about oil. They want to stay in Afganistan till 2014 to make sure their strip mining operations are secure. The Russians went in for the mining the first time and got chased out with a big stinger show at the end. The Russians can't fight worth anything. So they are back again with the guys that get things done and the U.N. wolfpack. It really very easy to understand. They sell philosophy and steal like there is no tommorow. So anything of religions or philosophy or humanity they are thrilled to death. Show and tell what they are really up to they don't like it so much.
So getting upset at an Obama. That says "We don't want anything in Afganistan". Is pointless to me. The government is in debt to the likes which the world has never seen. The "government" is a wooden "monkey" on a string. Oh they say you'll go or we will put your countries balls in a vice and you'll squeal so hard they will be able to hear you from Japan. The whole point may be is they carve up the earth. Can never get enough or have stuff blown up because they are insane. Your sane you would not do those things. So you might want to consider the fact the MF's are off their "rockers". Especially in light of the obvious things like seismic disaster.
Fracking sells "well" in Texas then again so do UFO's. "Honey whys the ground shaking?" "They are fracking". Yea right. They have their own "fault line" going. They aren't really sure how it got there. It swallows up road sometimes. Then again Texas is oil country so its not good business to talk about such things. Hey debate it. As far as I'm concerned there is no debate. They are a bunch of fucking thieves thats where it starts and ends..
Then there is the Nevada desert and of course nothing goes on out there. At least in the movies and on television.
See this is what the common guys says. "Hey this is all great it comes to us". Of course it does in the form of debt. Hey thats your mess. The other thing is no one fucking consumes in the quantities they are taking. So they store it. Mountains of things they have taken all stored. Hey labor for food. Why have that much? No reason really. It's just that they are crazy as a roachs in a bowl full of Jello. You have to live on the earth. You might want to pay attention.
Deal is they have humanitarian cover stories and struggles in every fucking country they are stealing in. They don't like that known. Hey make the topic. I have one for you sticking around Afganistan with your Commonwealth buddies and the Russians. Strip mine that place and pay the fucking price. Strip mine or mine anywhere same thing.
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Well Romney had the most money of the Republican candidates...
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Why was this question even ever asked if people are just going to "Dislike" answers they don't like?
I think that sentiment is the Liberals GREATEST failing. For a group that sure touts freedom of speech a lot. You guys sure don't like to hear what the other half of the country has to say. AND I seriously DOUBT, I'm the only one that notices.
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CaptainShuddup says
I can translate this for you:
"Don't disagree with us or we'll accuse you of being against freedom of speech!!!!"
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I wouldn't dare to translate anything you say Iwog, the general consensus is you're doing fine on your own.
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CaptainShuddup says
Why do you think Republicans assume that people who disagree with them are trying to squash free speech? Savage and Limbaugh do it all the time as do most right wing sociopaths, yet they go on spewing their idiot speech for decades.
Very odd.
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Iwog writes: "Why do you think Republicans assume that people who disagree with them are trying to squash free speech? Savage and Limbaugh do it all the time as do most right wing sociopaths, yet they go on spewing their idiot speech for decades."
The left has tried several times over the years to shut down Rush including various boycotts, "hush Rush" "fairness doctrine" proposals, etc. They didn't work but that doesn't mean the left didn't try. Also, the left wants to squash free speech by labeling anti-leftist speech as "hate" whereby if someone flushes a Bible down a toilet that's "art" and should be federally funded while quoting a Koran and using it as evidence that the latest Democrat special interest group is probably not the best ally with Bay Area gay rights groups is labeled as "hate speech."
Or that's just just plain hypocrisy but that can be said of the whole leftist agenda: Feminists want to get men fired for making a rude joke in front of women while Bill Clinton gets a pass. Christians can't pray in school but they should set up Muslim feet washing stations. etc. Hilarious.
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Actually isn't that (free markets) a republican virtue? I have the freedom to not buy a product that funds his hate.
A free market economy would dictate that if an advertiser chooses to sell their wares on a program that preaches hate and intolerance, that there might be business ramifications to that? In fact there were and many advertisers pulled out. Rush can say whatever he wants, those on the left like free speech even more than those on the right since our voices are typically in the minority.
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Christians can absolutely pray in school. What they can not do however, is mandate that I pray in school.
PolishKnight, for what its worth, before you post, you might consider writing something that's less easily torn to shreds. I could dis-em-bowel your entire post point by point without even breaking a sweat.
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Yet another thread on Patrick.net where poor fucks defend the rich.
The system is working.
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>Why was this question even ever asked if people are just going to "Dislike" answers they don't like?
Um, Iwog is actually conservative on most issues, just not in agreement with the US moving to an extreme inequality of income (an issue that really counts).
As for me, I don't think i've "Disliked" any posts on this thread...
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Has no one heard of gary johnson?
Well people deserve the government they get.
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Barlowe says
Disingenuous as hell. I argue endlessly on the stupidest points. Generally it's trying to convince a Republican what reality is as opposed to a fantasy world generated by Newscorp, however for you to say folks like me don't disagree and censor instead is idiocy.
This conversation is proof of that although it will be lost on you.
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PolishKnight says
Wow.....you think the freedom to be a paid shill for the Republican party trumps the freedom to not buy products and tell other people to join you? Fricken amazing!!!!!
PolishKnight says
The Fairness Doctrine is a very American and very necessary policy to keep a nation from being dominated by propaganda. Abandoning it when Reagan came to office was deadly to this nation and may yet bring it down.
Again you interpret "freedom of speech" with "freedom to make other people listen to your bullshit over public airwaves". They aren't the same.
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You really are paranoid aren't you. A fascist movement needs a scapegoat so I guess the evil liberals haunt your dreams.
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The sad thing is the big Pac money even hurts the Republican Party (at the pre-primary level), since the big money won't allow an "Eisenhower", a "Ford" or even a "Reagan-style" Republican to be elected anymore.
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No one to the left of Julius Streicher stands a chance in the GOP these days.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-14/house-republicans-find-corzine-guilty-mf-global-collapse-missing-funds-democrats-ref
Shame on the democrats and Obummer for letting their fraudster buddy stay free after defrauding clients of millions, bringing some to face bankruptcy. Restore the rule of law in this banana republic already ;)