How will the candidate of your choice be an improvement over Obama? What policies will be implemented...? Please be specific. I have my criticisms of Obama , incidentally, but I want to know who is better and why.
For Republican supporters out there... Which candidate do you support?
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Good luck. I'll be very interested to see if anyone responds.
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A serial flip-flopper who's also a corporation ripper.
A serial hypocrite.
A complete doofus.
An ideological demagogue.
It's a clown show really, and the Republican circus is trying to figure out who will give the best shot for an Obama re-election. May be that's their whole point, to get him re-elected.
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I'll most likely vote Obama, but if I had to chose a Republican I would take Mittens.
uomo_senza_nome says
That's exactly why I would choose Mittler. The term "flip-flopping" simply means changing your mind as circumstances change, which is exactly a quality I want in a president. The last thing we need is an ideologist who insists on staying the course when every shred of emerging evidence screams otherwise. The Mittster is also a successful venture capitalist and knows what is needed to run a successful business.
It's really a moot point though. Obama hasn't even begun to campaign yet and once he trots out his list of accomplishments, from an improving economy and shrinking unemployment to ending the war in Iraq and killing Osama bin Ladin, it will be virtually impossible to defeat him.
Obama's second term is essentially guaranteed.
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I agree on your point about ideology. One would want a flexible, adaptable and a practical approach to presidency. But Mitt's flip-flopping is HIS ideology itself lol ;)
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Mittler just needs to stir the base, screaming WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER UBER ALLES! at every campaign stop, while firing an automatic weapon in bursts between howls of genocidal ecstasy. Then he could scoop up GOP voters, teabaggers, neonazis and neoconfederates and take about 85% of the electorate.
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We just need another 4 year Bush endocrine placeholder.
Who is unimportant, Obama has already had a 4 year whack at it, and though he is quite the Bushie, it's time for a new Rovebot.
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I actually was hoping this would draw some serious replies. :-0
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American in Japan says
It's no use. They don't know why they want a Republican to win. They are bombarded on the television and radio and print day and night about how horrible Obama is, but when asked how a Republican might improve things they draw a blank. When they go vote for a Republican candidate they aren't even going to understand why.
I tried the same question you did several times but to no avail.
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You really don't think I have my own valid reason. There's only two damn choices, thanks for the most part of the Democrat political process meddling. You guys just can't accept that Independent votes don't necessarily convert over to Liberal Votes can you? In Spite of what you think, the Liberals aren't the Good guys, and the Republicans the Bad guys in the eyes of the Independent voters.
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You're right. I don't think you have any reason to vote the way you do.
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American in Japan says
I thought this was a serious reply.
APOCALYPSEFUCK is Tony Manero says
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Why are Republicans so afraid to answer the question?
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Romneybot is the only one that is electable. He also has the side-benefit of being competent. Unfortunately, he's a robot for Corporate America and the top 1%.
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iwog says
And I with 100% certainty, don't think you have any reason "0" to vote for Obama. Other than he's not that guy.
I'm voting for the same reasons you are. I'm just going for a horse with different colored leggings.(disclaimer: Horse race reference, not race)
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I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. I've given extensive lists why Obama is better than any Republican.
What's on your list other than "Obama sucks"?
We're not the same.
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I've voted mostly republican in my adult life, but I would vote for Obama over Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum.
The fact that Gingrich and Santorum are even being mentioned show how pathetic the republican field is. And on just about everything domestic, Romney and Obama would be very similar.
But Obama is less likely to get us into a war with Iran or anywhere else.
I'd vote for Paul if he had a chance, but I would rather see Obama again than Romney or any of the rest.
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iwog says
I don't know about afraid, they just simply don't have an answer at all.
It is funny, they don't want Obama. But they'll bring in potential candidates who'll do much worse than Obama in reality. They just don't want to accept the reality.
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iwog says
In your demented mind. For me, you recapped the laws of unintended consequences of Voting for Obama. Obama has done as much as Bush has in the regards of taking America so far removed from the Democracy I grew up in.
If you need a long spelled out list, then you'll have to Troll somewhere else. The fucker isn't worth the mental anguish for me to count the ways I loathe thee.
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Examples? No of course not.
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In the America I grew up in, people weren't afraid to explain their points of view. In the America I grew up in, asking questions was never considered trolling. It was considered intelligent conversation.
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Obama, for all of his faults, at least isn't crazy.
At first glance Romney isn't crazy, but he said that corporations are people.
I'll probably just vote for Obama.
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This thread is just so typical of politics in this country - virtually no critical thinking, laziness, name calling, etc.
I'm not a republican.
I did not vote for Obama.
There's really no credible candidate, IMO. I will be voting for "None of the above".
Just because someone says Obama it better, Romney is better, etc. It's up to you to use your brain and vet that information.
Having said that, it's quite acceptable to vote for Obama because he's of a particular skin pigmentation, at least that's what some Hollywood actor says. I guess that sums it up.
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I am voting for Jeb Bush in 2016.
This way we complete Nostradamus' anagram MABUS (obaMA BUSh) and bring upon a cataclysmic event.
Seriously, I will probably refuse to participate because I can't support anyone. I am not picking the better of two jackasses.
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wwwild says
This is a thread asking Republicans what a Republican president would do better than Obama.
The atrocity is that there's not a single Republican with the balls to actually answer the question. Had the exact same question been asked to Democrats during the 2004 election, I myself and many others would have filled pages with examples.
All is not equal.
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As a Libertarian there is only one choice which might not even make it to the finals.
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It is very unfortunate that is looking less and less likely that Ron Paul has any chance. I had a glimmer of hope for a couple of weeks, but that was about it. There is no point in voting. None at all. Obama won't lose. It's probably better that he doesn't. This way I can at least hold out hope that a viable alternative emerges in 4 years. Obama, Newt, Rmoney (sic).... all the same. Santorum, you've got to be kidding me!
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Even more unfortunately, I have this sinking feeling that Sarah Palin, knowing Obama won't lose, has calculated her position in 2016. I think I'll vomit now.
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Jeremy,
I don't think Sarah Palin has a chance. Her only support would be in the South, and that's not enough to win a national election.
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iwog says
Any answer will have the person drawn and quartered in this forum. You and a slew of others are just waiting to pounce.
I will not vote for Obama based on the single issue of the current healthcare mandate fiasco.
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EightBall says
What's wrong with that? If you want to see someone getting pounced on, go look at my posts in the real estate forum.
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If you don't believe in universal health care, that's a reason to vote for a Republican. I disagree with that position and I think public health care works well in almost every country it's used, but at least it's a legitimate point to debate.
Therefore I guess my pounce is this: Even if I agreed with you, I find the abhorrent decisions by the Republicans on the Supreme court (and presumably any future Republicans should Obama lose) to be far more ruinous than health care reform. Citizens United being exhibit A.
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I'm not completely opposed to universal healthcare. I'm opposed to the contraception mandate. First off, pregnancy is not a disease and if someone wants to go out and buy the pill they can do so - it is very cheap. Why force people to cover it? I don't have a problem with these...
Get hit by a bus - covered.
Get sick - covered.
Got a disease and need to change jobs - no preexisting conditions so you can be covered (they the hell insurance is tied to your employer is beyond me...but that is another topic)
But this...
Don't what to get pregnant? Stop having sex, buy some condoms, or go buy the pill. I don't see where a simple religious conscience clause is that controversial. Pregnancy is not a disease. Once Obama is a lame duck, I fear (based on this alone) of what else is coming. It's not just in health care where I see major issues in the future. Perhaps we disagree on this but these actions should be a major alarm bell for EVERYONE in my opinion.
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I fear a court packed with Kagans and Ginsburgs. I don't always agree with the right wing justices but I'll take Citizens United if we never have another Terri Schiavo.
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Really mandated inflated insurance premiums are "universal healthcare"?
Iwog you and all Liberals have lost all hope and sight of what is real.
You can shit in a can and call it dinner, it doesn't mean we have to eat it.
Was that clear enough for you, or do you need a paragraph to break down each syllable?
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Hey now, don't be suprised. This is America, where we take the WORST ideas of the Left and Right and combine them into the WORST possible legislation.
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Can you pass me the can of Chocolate Corn?
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That's why I don't waste my time rehashing old stories I posted.
The old forum format, was a real time update of the corruption in America. Then when the old forum was abandoned and this forum was the official forum. All of my predictions about this administration, all of the Economic stories, I posted under Tenpoundbass, all of the Political discussions, were deleted, when I pissed Iwog and Co. off.
I'm not wasting my time for their edification, I'm not new here. Iwog has read every truth I've ever typed. To play Coy now, and say "Can you explain I have no idea what you mean?" Is just being cheeky.
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EightBall says
Couldn't you look at this as a matter of choice? Having an option to cover contraception doesn't require employees who to use it, doesn't require policy holders to use it. It would only require that employees who disagree have the choice to use it, n'est-ce pas? Even at Catholic institutions, there are countless non-Catholic employees, for example.
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They have a choice - I listed them above. Pregnancy is not a disease and not having contraception covered (and paid for) by a Catholic institution isn't going prevent anyone from going out and buying the pill. It's a ridiculous argument driven by ideology and a precursor to ugliness yet to be delivered. If you can't give a conscience out for Catholics on something this trivial, what's next? You've gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Can Jehovah's witness businesses deny blood transfusion coverage for their employees? Or can Christian Scientists deny surgery or drug coverage?
Believers can still refuse treatment, right? But employees aren't forced to believe what their employers believe.
I'd say THAT infringes upon the employee's rights, and would result in a scarier outcome than offering, but not requiring, condoms for Catholic employees.
Remember that this affects employees only, not religious institutions.
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uomo_senza_nome says
I don't think it is so funny that they don't want Obama. I don't want Obama, for numerous reasons he has been a disappointment as a president.
But, yes, they don't realize that every -- yes, I am including Ron Paul -- GOP option would drive this country further and faster into the ground than Obama. My hope is that in 4 years we are not yet past the tipping point in our problems, and that the 2016 pres. will affect positive change.
I would love to vote against Obama, but a write in for Spongebob is a more useful vote than voting for any of the GOP options.
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You don't think it's not insulting to be told that an inflated health insurance by more than 40% since the health care bill was passed, to have it be called "Universal Health Care"?
Or to be asked who are you voting for, then to be told you're in favor of a litany of crap that has nothing to do with the outcome of who I vote for. Nor does it establish that those accomplishments were indeed merit of any accolades or anything to attribute to Obama?
Or the selective lucidity, they are good at deducing what you said when you didn't, but can't seem to grasp your other points?