WatchYeah the three stooges actually think they can get rid of porn from the Internet, and that they even have the right to do so. The anti-porn laws they are vowing to enforce will soon be declared Unconstitutional.
If these numb nuts want to start enforcing laws that aren't being enforced, they can start and end with anti-torture laws and anti-trust laws. There's nothing more perverted than a too-big-too-fail financial institution.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/13/santorum-romney-and-gingrich-vow-to-enforce-anti-porn-laws/
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I never said that. That was thomas.wong1986. Get your facts straight.
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The answer is--who cares? Nobody is advocating forcing children to watch porn for hours on end.
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Dan8267 says
Again, that's just your opinion. Not everyone agrees with you. Why are you forcing YOUR arbitrary political philosophy onto another?
Your constant assertions that everyone must agree with you seem just as "fundamentalistic" as the religious zealots you don't like. No one is a villain in his own eyes.
For what it's worth, I agree with you about your list of "rights." Most people probably do, at least in the USA.
Are you saying rights come from whatever the majority defines as rights? What if 51% decides it's their "right" to enslave the 49%? Or the 90% to the 10%? Attitudes and opinions are constantly changing.
And, by the way, I'm not advocating Christianity. I have a thread that says "Christianity is self-refuting" in the Religion forum.
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How the fuck am I forcing anything on anyone? Do I have some magical fiat power that I was unaware of?
It's Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum who are threatening to force their hypocritical moral bullshit on people. Get your story straight.
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I challenge you to find a single instance on all of Patrick.net where I asserted that everyone must agree with me. That's bullshit.
I argue for certain things. Just because I make a case for point x and justify it to the best of my ability does not mean I'm asserting that people must agree with my opinions. Now, it would be nice if they agreed with the facts, but that's another story.
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No, I said that rights come from what the government, good or evil, decides to enforce as rights. We, the people, should strive that our government adopts a socially just set of rights, but that isn't always the case in history.
Depending on the government, the set of rights can be decided by a tiny minority like a king or the richest 0.1%.
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Even if 0.1% of the people decide that slave owning is a right, they can make it so if that 0.1% holds most of the power. This is what happened in the United States before the Civil War. The vast majority of Americans did not own slaves, not even the majority of Southerners. Most were simply too poor.
The rich plantation owners owned many slaves and they made it into a right. See Dred Scott v Sanford. Like it or not, this is the way all government works. The government decides who has what rights. It's up to the people to force their government to establish a just set of rights that apply to all people. You don't get this for free, and America today is still sorely lacking.
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Spending hours a day on non-productive activities is a waste, but not necessarily harmful. There is no reason to believe that exposure to sexual activity in the form of porn or people having sex in any way, shape, or form harms a child's psyche. In tribal societies, children grow up around sexuality and their parents don't hide it. Yet the children are fine.
Now placing a child in a church for an hour a week or in a faith school for hours on end does cause severe psychological damage, including but not limited to, hallucinations (aka religious experiences), delusions, the failure to grasp reality, violent tendencies, and worse of all, a predisposition to vote Republican.
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Ew! I never thought about it, I always assumed those artifacts were made by bohemian artists that were comfortable with the necked body, they ate granola and rode bikes to work. It never occurred to me, cave men were whacking off to them.
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Dan8267 says
Really? That's quite a claim. Can you back that up? Or are you just putting your contempt for your fellow man (many of whom are religious) on display (again) for all to see?
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Wow, I can't see why religious people would be utterly terrified of people like you...and vote against their economic interests based on that fear?
Historically, people are willing to die to defend their culture. Is this crazy? Probably. But it's human nature. Attacking someone's culture often yields the all-too-predictable result: a fierce response, sometimes violent. Like death threats.
Is it crazy to send death threats to a 16 year-old girl because of a silly prayer banner? Yep. But it's a perceived attack on the culture of that community.
If I go to the big Motorcycle Rally in Sturgis, SD I won't get up on a stage with a microphone and say, "I can't believe these stupid bikers...riding around on these silly kids' toys around the country acting like spoiled teenagers. And by the way, Harley's are for pansies." That'd be just plain stupid on my part.
Culture is the second most powerful force in the universe, after compound interest.
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If you lived in a cave with no TV, no Internet, no nightclubs, no beaches, no entertainment of any sort, and there were only three hairy butch women in a 50 miles radius, what would you spend your time doing?
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wthrfrk80 says
hallucinations (aka religious experiences)
delusions
the failure to grasp reality
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1179260
violent tendencies
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1208969
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I have contempt for religion and those who use it to further evil ends. I don't have contempt for the religious. I've gone on the record saying that Christine O'Donnell is nice, bat-shit crazy, but a nice person. I like the guy who played Jesus in Religulious. I think it's delusional, but as a person, I like him. So, no, I don't have the contempt you speak of.
However, I am getting a very strong contempt vibe from you. Is that intentional?
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I guess you didn't figure out that part was facetious. One would think the joke would be obvious to someone with a sense of humor.
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Dan8267 says
I got that it was somewhat "tongue in cheek." But my point still stands.
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I don't see how. Political jokes don't cause "religious people [to] be utterly terrified", at least not if they have any common sense.
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I must second Mr. Cloud's motion to force all children into watching porn 24/7 as is occurring in his community.
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Dan8267 says
Of course it's not the joke that would cause religous people to be fearful of you. It's your attitude toward them, and you're belief that religion must be "eliminated" for the good of humanity.
If your problem is politicians twisting religion for their own greedy ends, then say so specifically. Many (probably most?) religious people would agree with you on that point.
Plenty of devout Muslims protested against the corrupt Mubarak in Egypt. Plenty of Iranians don't care for their government either.
Saying all religion is bad won't accomplish anything, it will just make religious people angry and fearful. That's just human nature. Sure, it sucks, but that's how people are.
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Good. Fear is the only thing keeping them in line. When the religious don't fear other religions and the non-religious, they have a tendency to burn people at the stack or honor kill them.
Given that Islam is the fastest growing religion, the Christians should fear that if they tear down the wall between church and state, they will be subjugated to Islamic law in 20 years.
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Yep...
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Right. All religious people are burning others at the stake and doing "honor killings." Please.
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That's a Straw Man argument. I didn't say all religious people are doing this. But it doesn't take all religious people. It only takes a fraction of 1 percent. The other 99% simply let it happen.
In countries where religion controls the state, there are the greatest numbers and severity of human rights violations, with few exceptions like China and North Korea that are bad for other reasons. There is a strong correlation between religious influence on the state and human rights violations. In fact, it's not just a correlation, it's causality. Human history has consistently proved that religion makes bad government. It's not the only thing that makes bad government, but it is one of the worst, if not the very worst, basis for government. This is indisputable.
You can also take a look at religion's influence on American history, and it's not very positive. Slavery, genocide, ecological destruction, unjust wars, suppression of liberty, suppression of political discussions, lack of freedom of speech on airwaves, etc.
If you think that tearing down the wall between church and state is a good thing, remember that in your lifetime it's likely that the most popular religion in America will be someone else's religion, not yours. Whites have not remained a majority. Christians will not either. Don't base your political beliefs on the assumption that America will always be dominated by Christians. And if you do, don't bitch and moan when you have to obey the laws of someone else's religion.
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Dan8267 says
Oh? You said "the religious", not "the few religious fanatics."
If you were trying to communicate that only a fraction of 1% are the problem, you didin't do a very good job of it.
Where did I advocate religion should control the government? I didn't. I agree...it's usually a disaster...for both the religion(s) and the government...if the two are mixed.
What I don't care for is your attitude toward the vast majority of religious people who are NOT violent and extremist.
This should be obvious from my posts.
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Religion in America caused Slavery? You discredit yourself.
Religion in America caused ecological distruction? Right, it had nothing to do with the industrial revolution.
Nobody doubts that religion is capablie of doing "bad" things. But to claim that religion is the "root of all evil" is to employ selective use of the available evidence.
You think I'm a Christian? You didn't see where I created a thread called "Christianity is Self-Refuting"?
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It's impossible to communicate to someone who is intent on misinterpreting everything you say.
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I didn't say that. Again with your Straw Man arguments. As I have documented with references in other threads, the southern white Christians used passages from the Bible, in perfect context, to justify the practice of slavery. Like it or not, the Bible was written by slave owners who were pro-slavery and that pro-slavery text was used in America to justify slavery. You can't whitewash that turd.
Perhaps if you were less hell bent on arguing against everything I say, you would learn something about history.
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Problems can have multiple contributors. The Christian attitude that all the creatures in the world exist solely for the convenience of man is a bad attitude that fosters ecological carelessness. It's not a coincidence that the religious red state voters tend to vote against environmental protection and tend to be climate change deniers.
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When did I claim that? Why must every argument you make against me be a Straw Man argument?
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I agree with Dan's point but I think that we're all dancing around some of the obvious here.
Religions tell INDIVIDUALS how to live. They do NOT tell us how to govern.
The Ten Commandments states "Thou" which means "You". It does NOT say "We".
If someone is a bad Christian/Jew/Moslem/Hindu/ etc that is of no business to the government or anyone else for that matter.
When we begin to impose religious doctrine on the public in general the concept of identity becomes heavy.
The bible was used in some senses for slavery although as property it would not make sense to destroy it. Slavery existed I'd argue for more economic purposes for accomplishing labor. Used mostly by the rich I would add as it would be simplier to buy a slave then it would to have children (which requires fertility and a much longer period of time.) On the same note child labor wasn't largely restricted until the 1930's.
Prior to the modern governmental state religions were largely the area to receive social services. They promoted marriage and having children not because of general welfare but because it would expand the clientel.
Huxley talked about this about 50 years ago
It is interesting because to single people without children what specific good or service is offered from religious organizations?
More population means you need a higher amount of control. I'd also argue that religions in a sense did give the world a way to create hierarchy within government. Weber talked about bureaucracy but it was already in place in religions.
You can be religious without having an organized religion. It could be argued that for religions to gain membership they have to perform more preemptive policies. That is why wait for things to have to open a soup kitchen. Why not host a job fair? Why not host an economy event? Why not host a community kitchen? It is too easy and simple to open up a shelter or to feed people.
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True. Unfortunately, religion is often taken by people like Satnorum, Romney, and Gingrich as a way to govern, but not a way to live.
A bit off topic, but I'd say another flaw with religions is that they tell individuals how to live, but not why to live that way. The question why is important, and in order to answer it, you have to look to the evolutionary problems of social living and the mathematics of conflict. That gives you a deeper understanding of what kinds of morality work and what kinds don't.
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You might say, I am a "backup" of said material. So if it were to be erased, I'd be able to restore some of it.
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Slavery still exists today... can be found very common in world.
You still want to continue to bash christians of white european ancestry as the cause and continue to ignore who are slave owners of today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
"Slavery predates written records and has existed in many cultures.
The number of slaves today is higher than at any point in history, remaining as high as 12 million to 27 million though this is probably the smallest proportion of the world's population in history.
Most are debt slaves, largely in South Asia, who are under debt bondage incurred by lenders, sometimes even for generations. Human trafficking is primarily used for forcing women and children into sex industries."
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Cloud! Watch your dirty language please.
Would you suck your priest's cock with that mouth?
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Cloud says
Cloud, you ignorant troll ass.
This story isn't about porn. It's about the First Amendment of the Constitution. Politicians should have no right to use the violence of the state to force an arbitrary religious code onto the American population in violation of both freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
If the politicians want to do something moral, they should:
1. Stop torturing people in secret prisons.
2. Stop violating the right of habeas corpus.
3. Stop Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from committing genocide.
4. Stop the richest 0.1% rent-seekers from destroying the middle class and impoverishing a hundred million Americans.
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I don't even want to know what thing is where your mouth is.
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Cloud says
I don't have any porn links myself, but I found a few I think you'll like...
http://www.dairygoatjournal.com/
http://goatrancher.com/
http://www.theboergoatmagazine.com/
http://www.smallfarmgoat.com/
http://www.thedirtygoat.com/
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Why am I not surprise that Cloud has a feces obsession?
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Jesus Christ. I unignore cloud for a second so that I can dislike all the trolling he's doing and he posts like 100 times about children and porn. Why is cloud so obsessed with child porn. He sounds exactly like the kind of person that the cops I worked with would raid looking for kiddie porn. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the code I've written flags him as a kiddie porn distributor.
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They probably think the Internet is a series of tubes and that porn clogs up the tubes.
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wthrfrk80 says
Regarding laws being about rights versus morality, I don't understand how someone can think it must be one or the other.
Jefferson seemed to intentionally connect the two in the declaration of independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Forgetting the part about God, it's quite obvious that our most primitive legal rights are connected to protecting us from the immorality of others and or of the government. In other words, taking the rights away would be immoral.
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marcus says
Depends on the right. Taking away the right to own slaves was not immoral.
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Not all people believe that the earth is flat. Does that mean we should weigh their opinions equally with those smug "sphere-earthers"?
I do agree that morality and rights are hard to peg down, but here is an article discussing a scientific approach. Perhaps with more study someday experiments can be run to "prove" certain rights.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/a-science-of-morality_b_567185.html
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Comment with insult deleted.
Dan8267, please chill.
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It's happening!!!! Brace your selves, there's a political Polar shift happening. Kevin is now a Conservative racist, but he only hates rich white guys, and Dan8267 is now foul mouthed goober, with colorful dialect for lack of a smug smarter sounding word. What's next Normo's going to start posting NASCAR threads?
Bunch of crazy crackers!
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Patrick says
Please delete all of cloud's comments as they are all insulting.