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The Most Marginalized Group in America

By Jeremy   Follow   Sun, 19 Feb 2012, 5:31pm   28,837 views   334 comments
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Straight white males between the ages of 18 and 54. As far as I can tell, this is the only group of Americans that can not form a group to promote themselves or their own advancement within American society. Am I wrong?

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1. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

   1   4:42pm Sun 26 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   Kevin says Affirmative action was not "intended to prevent discrimination." It was intended to try to close the achievement gap between men and women, between whites and minorities. Actually, better probably to describe it as being about providing equal opportunity, where preventing discrimination and closing the achievement gap would be indirect results of this. Often times, providing equal opportunity goes hand in hand with not discriminating, especially in lower skill jobs. In any case, the language used by the government has been that of anti-discrimination or "non-discriminatory practices." Kennedy and Johnson's executive orders on affirmative action: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_10925 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246

2. A Wobbly Follow Befriend 1 comments

   2   9:48pm Fri 9 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   This instructive cartoon, called a "silent agitator' when first distributed exactly a century ago, is part of a large collection of such educational documents created by the I.W.W. in it's campaign to organize workers into a single union. http://www.iww.org They were effective enough in their goals, which included open opposition to the first World War, that they provoked a violent suppression action, supported by both parties, called the Palmer Raids, which resulted in government incited arson and demolition of union halls, and executions of IWW leaders. This was Hoover's first big project. Clearly as a corporate stooge his future was very bright. Were he still alive, Palmer would surely be filled with envy at the powers available to the government for suppression of dissent in the U.S. today. He had no idea that if you propagandize a lie often enough, people throughout the country will happily parrot the lie, even if it means their own destruction.

3. Nomograph Follow Befriend (1) 104 threads 2,851 comments

   3   3:57pm Sat 17 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   Honest Abe says I was silent when both the repub's and demo crats were busy destroying America's freedoms. You destroyed your own freedom, Abe. You gave your freedom to AM talk radio and all you get in exchange is anger, bitterness, and unhappiness.

4. Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq Follow Befriend 53 threads 658 comments

   4   5:07pm Tue 21 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Gentlemen, we need a name for the marginalized 18 to 52 year old white male club. Might I propose: Vanilla Boyz Knightly Kings of Kinship The NHL Congressional Committee on Contraception Davos Cream and Sugar National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood (NO MA'AM)

5. thomas.wong1986 Follow Befriend 16 threads 4,426 comments

   5   11:28pm Wed 22 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Kevin says There is not a single black senator in the united states. Not so smart comments! There are lots of Black CEOs but your blind to them. Senator Obama with 2 years experience got a promotion. The "other guy" with 25 years in Congress didnt. "Obama previously served as a United States Senator from Illinois, from January 2005 until he resigned following his victory in the 2008 presidential election." If you want to talk about unfair racism...or even segregation today ... here you go! "Over the years, the question has arisen, "Does the caucus allow only black members?" Pete Stark, D-CA., who is white, tried and failed to join in 1975. In January 2007, Josephine Hearn reported in Politico that white members of Congress were not welcome to join the CBC.[8] Freshman Representative Steve Cohen, D-TN., who is white, pledged to apply for membership during his election campaign to represent his constituency, which is 60% African American. Hearn further reported that although the bylaws of the caucus do not make race a prerequisite for membership, former and current members of the caucus agreed that the group should remain "exclusively black." Rep. William Lacy Clay, Jr., D-MO., the son of Rep. William Lacy Clay Sr., D-MO., a co-founder of the caucus, is quoted as saying, "Mr. Cohen asked for admission, and he got his answer. He's white and the caucus is black. It's time to move on. We have racial policies to pursue and we are pursuing them, as Mr. Cohen has learned. It's an unwritten rule. It's understood." In response to the decision, Rep. Cohen stated, "It's their caucus and they do things their way. You don't force your way in." Clay issued an official statement from his office: "Quite simply, Rep. Cohen will have to accept what the rest of the country will have to accept—there has been an unofficial Congressional White Caucus for over 200 years, and now it's our turn to say who can join 'the club.' He does not, and cannot, meet the membership criteria, unless he can change his skin color. Primarily, we are concerned with the needs and concerns of the black population, and we will not allow white America to infringe on those objectives" On January 25, 2007, Representative Tom Tancredo, R-CO., spoke out against the continued existence of the CBC as well as the Democratic Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the Republican Congressional Hispanic Conference saying, "It is utterly hypocritical for Congress to extol the virtues of a color-blind society while officially sanctioning caucuses that are based solely on race. If we are serious about achieving the goal of a colorblind society, Congress should lead by example and end these divisive, race-based caucuses."

6. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

   6   8:12am Tue 6 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Protected   iwog says Honest Abe says Thomas what the lobs can't tolerate is the concept of freedom.Its that simple, It's trite childish simple-minded rhetoric like this that makes discussions with the radical right pointless. Whatever well constructed argument you present, whatever well supported logic you bring to the table, some dingbat will always revert to: "YALL HATE AYRE FREEDOMS!!!!!" And it's an all too familiar refrain from progressives that we're all mean and unfeeling and racist and sexist and homophobic. Even if it were true, you couldn't do anything about it. There are far more votes in the Electoral College for our way of thinking than for yours.

7. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

   7   8:21am Tue 6 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Protected   tatupu70 says rootvg says Even if it were true, you couldn't do anything about it. There are far more votes in the Electoral College for our way of thinking than for yours. Not according to Jeremy and Scags. Us white men have been marginalized. Didn't you get the memo? I don't give a shit about anyone's memo. I know the truth. I've been a lot of places and trust me, California is an economic and cultural bubble. Just wait until after the election in November. All this screwball politically correct California horseshit isn't going to get us much out here.

8. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,606 comments

   8   8:04am Sat 17 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Honest Abe says people who are mad as hell and are not going to remain silent any longer. When were you silent?

9. Nomograph Follow Befriend (1) 104 threads 2,851 comments

   9   8:52pm Mon 20 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Jeremy says I didn't say it was hard to be a white male. You said that white males are the most marginalized group in America. This post didn't work out the way you had hoped, did it Jeremy?

10. Scagnetti Follow Befriend (1) 15 threads 300 comments

    10   4:34am Tue 21 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Kevin says Oh, right, I forgot that once we have one half-black president, we suddenly have a completely representative power structure. According to the Congressional Research Service 8.1% of the 112th congress was African American. A new record by the way! 10% of just the House was African American! Every year the leadership seems to get more and more "diverse". 3 of the 9 supreme court justices are women. No to mention the leader of our country is African American! Kevin says Do we have a race problems today ? Yes. Do we need diversity programs to fix anything anywhere ? Yes. Please explain how forced "diversity" programs will be a benefit? If diversity were a STRENGTH it wouldn't need to be FORCED. It would be automatic.

11. FortWayne Follow Befriend (13) 102 threads 3,759 comments

    11   7:35am Tue 21 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Government out there trying to force equality, socialism everywhere lead to this. Every group out there is special, everyone needs government assistance, affirmative action, handout, bailout. Your skin is slightly darker than you need help, your accent is a bit off you need help, you have a few too many children you need help, you bought a house at a wrong time here is your check, you are a delinquent and an idiot here is your check, welfare, food stamps, government job opportunities, etc... Democratic party loves the idea, they get to turn people into dependents, taking away their freedom and individuality, while putting themselves in charge. That's Obama's entire campaign, victim mentality. I'm glad I don't belong to any of his special victim groups, and never will!

12. clambo Follow Befriend (5) 1,070 comments Santa Cruz, CA

    12   9:35am Tue 21 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   I have to give an example for these guys. I once was at a small business that was going to be contracted by San Francisco. There is something called the "human rights commission" there and it's a bunch of people to decide if the business contracted is "diverse" etc. We weren't well paid and the small business had no blacks working there. I doubt any self-respecting black college graduate would have ever worked there. Our manager went up to San Francisco to discuss the contract and the people looked at our staff and said to him: "This is bad. Your company is all white males!" The manager said "We have a lesbian and an Asian, do you see?" White males are envied, belittled, made fun of, and generally disrespected in the media. What exact meaning you want to attribute to "marginalized" is your own bias.

13. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    13   7:16pm Tue 21 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Kevin, you didn't name one group more marginalized - fail.

14. TPB Follow Befriend (1) 65 threads 1,209 comments

    14   6:40am Wed 22 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   marcus says These politicians call themselves "conservative." And Liberals! Don't forget the Cheese.

15. Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq Follow Befriend 53 threads 658 comments

    15   6:44am Wed 22 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   It's time we men of stature and merit, being only 0.001% of the nation, be granted "Minority" status.

16. Scagnetti Follow Befriend (1) 15 threads 300 comments

    16   4:51am Thu 23 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Kevin says I feel like having this comment put in jail: You're a dumb motherfucker. Ah, ah, ah....that wasn't very polite. I'm surprised your making personal attacks like that! You can't invalidate an argument through personal attacks. Won't your argument stand up to debate?

17. Scagnetti Follow Befriend (1) 15 threads 300 comments

    17   5:59am Thu 23 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Nomograph says Kevin says You're a dumb motherfucker. Scagnetti went on my Ignore list, so now he can feel even more marginalized. People like Scagnetti and Jeremy are self-marginalizing; the whole of society puts their kind on Ignore. When someone makes a post like this, it's interesting to see what kind of folks crawl out from under their rock. I realize Nomograph can't see this but I'll respond anyway.... You have the 4th highest "ignore" rate of anyone on this website and the 2nd highest "disliked" rate! Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black?!!? Also, the text from Kevin you quoted, was probably directed toward Wong! On the other hand, maybe Kevin was reading some of your previous posts and it was directed toward YOU! You tried to pigeon hole me early in the discussion. I turned the tables on you, and you backed off. You didn't try to challenge me again in this thread and instead went after Jeremy. That was smart of you! Your accusations toward me are a classic example of trying to silence debate. We should be ENCOURAGING debate on these type of topics, not stifling it. We can never move forward if we don't challenge some of the assumptions we have that may be wrong! Also, I wont be knocked off course for fear of you or anyone else "calling me names". P.S. ~ Not once in this debate did I ever say I "felt" marginalized.

18. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    18   6:54am Fri 24 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Kev - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Black_Caucus_of_State_Legislators

19. Honest Abe Follow Befriend (41) 91 threads 1,806 comments

    19   6:56am Fri 24 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   http://www.nlc.org/build-skills-networks/networks/constituency-groups/nbc-leo One more for the record...but don't you go hurling any bad language my way!!

20. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,606 comments

    20   11:43am Fri 24 Feb 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Sure--racial bias is decreasing. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.