Straight white males between the ages of 18 and 54. As far as I can tell, this is the only group of Americans that can not form a group to promote themselves or their own advancement within American society. Am I wrong?
The Most Marginalized Group in America
By Jeremy Follow Sun, 19 Feb 2012, 5:31pm 28,962 views 334 comments
Watch (0) Share
Quote
Permalink Like Dislike « First « Previous Viewing Comments 255-294 of 334 Next » Last » See most liked comments
« First « Previous comments Next comments » Last »
|
Jeremy is moderator of this thread. |
Follow
Befriend (1)
117 threads
971 comments
At this point I also have to question if you really even understand what 'racism' means.
Follow
Befriend
16 threads
4,426 comments
kentm says
Racism today is hypocrisy.
Follow
Befriend (1)
15 threads
300 comments
kentm says
Let me clarify....
I am all for "access" but our current system goes beyond "access" and into "discrimination".
I will use your own study as an example.
To prevent discrimination, some orchestra's started choosing their musicians by only listening to them, without seeing them. I think that's an excellent idea! For me, the problem is solved right there! The most competent people get the job. Race and gender aren't a factor, only competence.
Unfortunately that's not the system we have is it? Even in a system where the best candidates have BLINDLY been chosen, then we give a leg up to groups that are "underrepresented". That's bullshit and discrimination. The best person should get the job period!
P.S. ~ I changed my .gif for you. I agree, it was annoying when scrolling through all the comments.
Follow
Befriend (1)
15 threads
300 comments
marcus says
Shouldn't or couldn't? If you can't prove it or at least show evidence, why would any rational person believe you? You want people to just "Take your word for it"?
Follow
Befriend
40 threads
2,652 comments
Jeremy says
Because white people (specifically, white men) run the whole country (and really the whole world). It's such an absurd claim that if you're making it, you're either a racist or you're an idiot.
thomas.wong1986 says
I never thought you were Asian, you racist dipshit. Maybe you should try keeping people you're being batshit crazy at straight.
Follow
Befriend (1)
15 threads
300 comments
I think people have used the word "racist" and "racism" so much, it really is losing its meaning!
Follow
Befriend (3)
15 threads
5,653 comments
kentm says
followed by:
thomas.wong1986 says
I can't tell if Thomas was trying to be funny or not. Based on his usual writing style, I'd say no and if not, it is even funnier.
Kent--I'd say you pretty much nailed that one.
Follow
Befriend (41)
91 threads
1,806 comments
Thomas what the lobs can't tolerate is the concept of freedom.Its that simple,
Follow
Befriend (48)
274 threads
12,583 comments
47 male
Lafayette, CA
Premium
Honest Abe says
It's trite childish simple-minded rhetoric like this that makes discussions with the radical right pointless.
Whatever well constructed argument you present, whatever well supported logic you bring to the table, some dingbat will always revert to: "YALL HATE AYRE FREEDOMS!!!!!"
Follow
Befriend (4)
52 threads
4,416 comments
Corning, NY
Premium
I guess we can't have a "color blind" society. Fact is, we're obsessed with race. Is it hard-wired psychology?
Follow
Befriend (8)
1 threads
792 comments
Danville, CA
Premium
iwog says
And it's an all too familiar refrain from progressives that we're all mean and unfeeling and racist and sexist and homophobic. Even if it were true, you couldn't do anything about it. There are far more votes in the Electoral College for our way of thinking than for yours.
Follow
Befriend (3)
15 threads
5,653 comments
rootvg says
Not according to Jeremy and Scags. Us white men have been marginalized. Didn't you get the memo?
Follow
Befriend (8)
1 threads
792 comments
Danville, CA
Premium
tatupu70 says
I don't give a shit about anyone's memo. I know the truth. I've been a lot of places and trust me, California is an economic and cultural bubble.
Just wait until after the election in November. All this screwball politically correct California horseshit isn't going to get us much out here.
Follow
Befriend (4)
52 threads
4,416 comments
Corning, NY
Premium
rootvg says
Definitely.
Follow
Befriend (1)
7 threads
101 comments
Valencia, CA
Kevin says
THAT'S it? THAT is what makes me racist? The fact is, there is a major double standard in this country, and it is unwarranted. I understand why affirmative action was created. Years ago, underprivileged groups did not have access to the tools of self betterment that White Males had. Does any reasonably coherent person think there is one single person in this country that does not have access to the tools of self betterment because of the color of their skin or gender or sexual orientation? Give me a break. Everyone has the same access. Is it harder if you're poor, from the inner city? Yes. Is it super easy if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth? Yes. I would fight for more opportunities for underprivileged inner city or rural area kids to help guide them. But in the middle class world, the blacks and Hispanics and Women really need self promotional groups?? Why? They serve no purpose but to purport racism, however accepted they are. I'm made to feel guilty for being white. This is how I am marginalized. I grew up in a middle class neighborhood an hour outside of Los Angeles. On my street, there were girls, boys, whites, browns, blacks, maybe one asian kid. Our Community, employment, and societal prospects have been EXACTLY the same our entire lives. EXCEPT, they have had promotional groups, scholarships, recruitment targeting, hiring practices, etc., that have all been specifically directed at them simply because they are brown, black or whatever, while I have not. This is my argument for why white males are marginalized. Thank you for taking the time to think about my position from a logical point of view, and not simply spewing hatred. Thank you
Follow
Befriend (12)
140 threads
1,355 comments
Emeryville, CA
Right, Jeremy. So-- employers, police officers, the court system, don't continue white privilege through preferential treatment?
The big issue here is that white people don't mind white privilege. They believe this is normal, because they believe themselves to be culturally superior. Isn't that really it?
Follow
Befriend (48)
274 threads
12,583 comments
47 male
Lafayette, CA
Premium
rootvg says
Bullshit and even if that's true it's not the same. Sexist, racist, and homophobic are all genuine feelings held by people within the neocon community. This thread is a PERFECT example of how this can be argued either way, proven, or refuted.
How in hell do you have a discussion about liberals hating our freedoms? BY DESIGN it's idiotic nonsense meant only to insulate the radical from any meaningful discussion or disagreement.
All too familiar my ass. There are huge fundamental differences between the right and the left that have nothing whatsoever to do with ideology and everything to do with fascist tendencies.
Follow
Befriend (8)
1 threads
792 comments
Danville, CA
Premium
tatupu70 says
I can take you several places that immediately come to mind where white males aren't marginalized. None of them are in California, Massachusetts, Illinois or Maryland.
We are approaching a point in our nation's history where all the "feeling" and political correctness in the world aren't going to save us from ourselves. We're sitting on a demographic time bomb that's in the early stages of blowing up on us. I think our taxes, as a nation, are going to go up but I also think we're in the very early stages of making some decisions on means testing of our entitlements and possibly in wholesale collapsing of some cabinet level agencies into others. We're gonna pay more but people are damn well gonna make sure that money goes as far as it can. I mean, what do you think the Fox News phenomenon is all about?
There was story out several weeks ago about Paul Ryan meeting with a bipartisan committee in the House about entitlement reform, outside the normal channels. The upshot? BIG changes are coming. Obama and the Democrats have spent so much so quickly and so recklessly that now SOMETHING must be done about it, lest we end up as Greece or Italy or Spain. Grover Norquist and his people aren't stupid. Maybe this was the plan all along, to get progressives in a position where we simply have no alternative but to slip the debt monster's neck into a noose and strangle the son of bitch until it dies in order to save the nation. If that's the case, yeah...it'll work but it's awfully strong medicine.
Follow
Befriend (4)
52 threads
4,416 comments
Corning, NY
Premium
rootvg says
Pretty much. Whether you're on the "right" or "left" or somewhere else, demographics don't lie. The boomers didn't have enough children to support them (via taxes) in their old age.
Then boomers sold off our industrial infrastructure to China for a quick buck, and now we don't have anything in this country other than fast food and financial speculation.
Follow
Befriend (8)
1 threads
792 comments
Danville, CA
Premium
wthrfrk80 says
It depends upon where you go. Parts of the south are industrializing quite nicely, and it's not the dirty industry we're all too familiar with in the Rust Belt. VW just opened that plant at Chattanooga. BMW and Mercedes have been building cars and SUVs in South Carolina and Alabama (respectively) since the nineties.
I understand Hershey is moving most of its Pennsylvania operations to Virginia. Disney has a huge data center in (of all places) suburban Columbus. The AT&T data center we point our network traffic to is in downtown Akron, half an hour from where I grew up.
Yes, most of California's aerospace industry is gone. Yes, most of the military bases that supported us for fifty years are also gone. I don't think California ever recovered from the base downsizing in the early nineties. That wound never healed, in my opinion. That's the real reason Stockton is a basket case...although I hear landing on those ~12000 ft runways is a lot of fun for a student. If you can't pass your check ride in that environment, you shouldn't be flying. There's a runway at Castle that was for the B-52 fleet and they say it's 150 ft wide. You almost land a Cessna 150 or 172 sideways!
Follow
Befriend
16 threads
4,426 comments
kentm says
Kevin says
At what point did I make a racist comment... show me where and to who .. was it toward black, white, latin, or asian group ?
Follow
Befriend (1)
15 threads
300 comments
iwog says
The "our group" mentality roots run deep in all of us; black, brown, yellow, white, whatever. It transcends politics.
wthrfrk80 says
wthrfrk80 says
You have posted a lot of good statements and posed insightful questions. I think you may know a lot more about this than your "one liners" suggest.
Follow
Befriend (1)
15 threads
300 comments
thomas.wong1986 says
You didn't Wong. Its the typical nonsense of challenging someones' opinion and them yelling RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! at you to silence you. Some of us are starting to see through this transparent argument. It's okay to drop your baggage of "white guilt" we have been saddled with.
Follow
Befriend
40 threads
2,652 comments
Jeremy says
What makes anyone who believes white men are marginalized racist is the overwhelming truth that they are not.
If you believe white men are marginalized, you're either a racist or an idiot. The only way you could possibly believe this is if you are fearful of other races (or sexes) having a place in power.
thomas.wong1986 says
When you make comments like:
and
It shows your racism through and through.
I never claimed that you made a racist comment. I said that you're a racist. You don't have to say "I'm a racist" or use an obvious racial slur or anything to make your racism obvious.
Follow
Befriend (1)
15 threads
300 comments
Kevin says
I find this statement hypocritical and funny! If YOU'RE not fearful, why don't you agree to get rid of the form of affirmative action, giving preference to underrepresented groups, we have today! Go for merit, not entitlement. In lots of cases, it can be done.
I suppose you would say we can't get rid of it because of biases in the system and we should try to compensate for "historical injustices". You do understand that government can't change peoples instincts right? All of us, including you, have natural biases in our subconscious. These aren't going to go away because of "forced diversity".
Follow
Befriend (5)
168 threads
5,114 comments
thomas.wong1986 says
When Scag was tying to argue in a very unsubtle way that African Americans and Hispanics are inferior to whites and Asians when it comes to competing academically or in the corporate world you said he was making more sense than I was.
As for the reverse discrimination on an individual level. I understand your claim. But I still say that at this point the desire for diversity in the corporate world transcends affimative action laws, and conservatives are behind it too.
What you might not get is this.
Say you are a white man, who loses out in persuing a job to a latino woman, in spite of your experience and abilities (in your opinion are better than hers).
If the corporation decided that she was very trainable for the job, and she got the job because the value of adding Latino woman to the team, outweighed their perception of the value of your experience, this is their right.
They aren't doing it at this point because of affirmative action. It's just good business for a number of reasons, including the fact that some powerhouse genius who happens to be black or Latino in the future may not be willing to work in a monochrome male environment. Actually, these days a lot of white men or woman from urban environments are going to feel uncomfortable in an all white environment.
IF you want to argue this, your only choice is to argue the value that the corporation puts on diversity. But that value is not racist against whites. We just happen to be the majority soon to be not the majority, and some of us are not taking that in a very intelligent or dignified way.
Follow
Befriend (4)
52 threads
4,416 comments
Corning, NY
Premium
I think the Blue Man Group has the right idea. Paint everybody one color and then all of this racial bullshit will go away.
Then we can direct our natural fighting instincts toward the Big Bankers who own our labor (via debt and dollar debasement)...instead of fighting each other based on skin reflectivity.
I don't know about you, but I'm fed up with this system of "privatize the profits, socialize the losses." That's not capitalism, that's socialism for the rich, as billionaire investor Jim Rogers (no socialist!) put it.
Follow
Befriend (4)
52 threads
4,416 comments
Corning, NY
Premium
By the way, most of the Big Bankers are WASPs like me. I think they're scum because they're the biggest "welfare queens" around. When they failed, they got bailouts. The rest of us were stuck with the bill.
That's NOT capitalism! That's crony capitalism!
Follow
Befriend
1 comments
What a laugher, when white people attempt to pretend what people of color go through on a daily basis. Cry me a fucking river.
Have you ever been pulled over by state troopers and then asked if you recently "crossed the river"? Yeah, this Asian guy was pulled over back in college for having a tan during Spring Break in Texas.
Ever had the college students you teach talk about getting those "sand niggers". Hmmm, that happened in my class at this college in North Carolina when the Iraq War started.
And those Vietnamese success stories that "Wong" is talking about. Check your stats again about them being a Republican voting block. The uneducated parents may vote Republican. Check on how their professional kids vote. My parents voted Republican strictly on an anti-communism basis. That's done. There's other concerns now.
And frankly, Asian high schoolers get the shaft because of the Asian quota. That quota is pretty beneficial to white students. The way affirmative action works for whites in college admissions is "well-roundedness". Hmmm, sounds like a code word for diversity (except for white folks).
So no, I don't think whites are marginalized at all. Try again.
Follow
Befriend (41)
91 threads
1,806 comments
What you lib's will never understand is the concept of "do it for me, do it to me"
Its time all of us to be color blind, all the time, not when it suits us to "forward our own agenda".
Otherwise you are the prejudiced ones, you're the ones focused on color, judging others based on the color of their skin - not on the content of their character, or their qualifications.
Follow
Befriend (12)
140 threads
1,355 comments
Emeryville, CA
This is truly bizarre. I'm not calling you racist to score political points, but it's amazing to me that you racists can't even see your own racism!
And frankly, it will be awesome when Caucasians become the minority in America.
As Louis says:
Follow
Befriend (8)
1 threads
792 comments
Danville, CA
Premium
CL says
In California, they already are.
In Texas and the rest of the deep south, it'll be awhile.
In the Rust Belt? NEVER. I'm from that area and I'm telling you it won't happen because people there won't allow it. Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo are so deep with European roots, it hurts. My SAP friend there was looking at the donor list for the local library, saying it read like the Warsaw phone directory.
Follow
Befriend (12)
140 threads
1,355 comments
Emeryville, CA
rootvg says
Ha. Great. The Midwest can be the next Hazelton, PA! How is that working out for them, post-immigrant hysteria?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California
2010 census says, that California is 57.6% White (40.1% Non-Hispanic White). In what world would white be a minority?
And remember that, although white, the Poles, Irish and Italians were once persona non grata in America. Unfortunately, their memories are short or they would remember when they, as immigrants, were treated thusly.
Bigotry begets bigotry. It's incumbent on this generation to resist the racism that their old, dying parents and grandparents instilled in their progeny. I think they will, and are.
Follow
Befriend (8)
1 threads
792 comments
Danville, CA
Premium
CL says
Can be? How about IS?
I have relatives in both states, remember? I know where to find good pizza, hoagies and shoo fly pie.
Here again, Tom Tancredo is right. We need some time for our political culture and economy to heal. We need some time (I'm thinking twenty years) for all these groups to assimilate.
You're actually making my point for me.
Follow
Befriend
40 threads
2,652 comments
Scagnetti says
...because, due to millenia of discrimination, there's still a gross imbalance in power. I believe Affirmative action remains necessary at this point in time.
With time, and monitoring, I'm optimistic that one day it won't be needed, and there won't be glaring disparities between the races and the sexes, but that's just not the case today.
Scagnetti says
And yet they are. Government ended many forms of institutionalized discrimination, instituted wage equality laws, etc. All of these things have greatly moved the needle. In the last 50 years we've made more progress towards fairness and equality than the previous 5000 years combined.
Follow
Befriend
16 threads
4,426 comments
RegenMD says
LOL! kids vote Demo... until they get more mature, and switch to GOP. God Family and Country gene kicks in. And like many othe children of immigrants they vote GOP. Funny how things happen. Their parents are not uneducated, Infact i have known more than a few who came here and right into Calculas and Computer HS Classes later to universities long long ago before their children were born.
Follow
Befriend (41)
91 threads
1,806 comments
Thomas, well stated - and true in my experience. I grew up in a 100% Dumocrat family. I was the first to come to my senses (in my mid twenties) when I realized Dem's = Force, not Freedom. It took my parents a much longer time but they changed from the dark side too.
Our whole family went from 100% Dems - to 100% Peace and Freedom (Ron Paul).
Freedom is soooooo refreshing, you others should try it for a change.
Love, Abe
Follow
Befriend (4)
52 threads
4,416 comments
Corning, NY
Premium
Honest Abe says
The only people who have "freedom" are in the top 0.1% who own everyone else's labor. The rest of us have to work 40 hours (or more) per week to survive.
Didn't the robber barons use things like race and ethnic divisions to cause the underclass to fight among themselves, rather than unite for their common economic interests?
Seems that strategery still works very well today, as evidenced by this thread...
Follow
Befriend (13)
53 threads
2,642 comments
Premium
wthrfrk80 says
These arguments seem familiar...
Follow
Befriend
16 threads
4,426 comments
wthrfrk80 says
Come work in Silicon Valley.. you will be working 50-60 hours!
and that is not uncommon for any past decade.. 80s 90s and today.
Freedom.. pull yourself by the bootstrap, its worked for many today.