Huge spike in Foreclosures! Yaay!
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Anyone who is rejoicing about people being thrown out of their houses is not thinking correctly.
This will just cause more empty neighborhoods, and more blight. Prices will crash, which is good for buyers, but then, who knows the bottom. You think you find a bottom and it is never the bottom.
Banks don't lend much into a declining price environment nor do they lend in a low interest environment. And who do you think bails out the banks when they collect back the properties?
This is not a reason for people to cheer. Sorry Bob, but it is callous.
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The foreclosure pipeline needs to be cleared before this problem will go away. New York has a 987 day back-log, while tens of thousands of people live in houses for free.
Tear off the band-aid already, so the market can heal.
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69Charger says
Actually in Reno we are pre 1990 with lots of empty houses. Very worrisome to buy into an empty community.
No doubt the Bay area has a long way to go. However, I don't think SF will crash due to the many foreign wealthy folk who want to buy there.
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69Charger says
You may be right, however, it is a function of international demand which lots of folks don't factor in. If that international demand stays strong, there is not much hope for a decline. The rest of the bay is a different story.
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Never Trust Realtors says
Sorry, if you look at the Presidio and Sunset, etc, house prices do not appear to be declining. They declined for a few months and then shot up again:
http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/California/San_Francisco-heat_map/
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And housing tracker says SF prices are going up:
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/asking-prices/california/san-francisco/
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Never Trust Realtors says
What is wrong with you? I have no connection at all to the realtors. I predicted a housing bubble in Reno NV in 2005. Don't tell me I don't know about the real estate market and crash.
Here is the deal, the steady increase in asking prices does indicate a healthier market. And yes, just like Vancouver Canada, there are many wealthy foreign people who come in and buy in SF. That is fact. It is not the east bay. It isn't even Silicon Valley. It is more like NYC and London given also that it is a financial center.
I have no idea in the future what will happen to SF housing prices. All I know is that they have stopped declining and are appreciating slightly as of now.
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Never Trust Realtors says
I am not a realtor nor do I have any interest with them. My ebook, Ponzi Housing Scheme 21st Century blasts NAR and the Realtors. You have a problem calling me a Realtor. Don't call me one again or I will seek counsel.
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And NTR, I also wrote this article assigning blame for the housing crisis. Most Realtors did lie about refi and lots of things, but some didn't and lost commissions for being honest. But here is my take on blame:
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-assign-blame-for-the-housing-crisis-2011-10
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Never Trust Realtors says
I won't argue that except to say that inventory in SF is declining. Look at the chart at the bottom:
http://www.deptofnumbers.com/asking-prices/california/san-francisco/
Now, if you say that in SF there is a huge shadow inventory of homes that will ultimately be foreclosed on then perhaps you have a case. But remember one thing, banks can keep pockets of value simply by not foreclosing and by letting people live without paying their mortgages in certain areas. Banks have that ability.
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Never Trust Realtors says
Do you actually have anything intelligent to say NTR? You spend the bulk of your time repeating three sentences. I engaged you with hard statistics and you repeat three sentences you have repeated over and over on this thread.
If you know more that could enlighten us you need to tell us. Or pretty soon people could think you are the boy who cried wolf.
Like I said before, you may be right in the long run. But if you cannot engage in a normal conversation we can't learn anything from you.
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I thought you had the real data Mr Robot.
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Prices (should be) Falling.
But a financial center like the Bay Area has a direct pipeline of newly-created money from the Fed to keep prices artificially high.
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wthrfrk80 says
I totally agree. Look at RE prices in London and NY. Add to this the beauty of SF and that wealthy people the world over want some sort of property there.
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Never Trust Realtors says
No they aren't, and until you show the data you have no credibility. I dare you to do something close to showing proof of your claims about SF real estate.
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Prices are directly related to incomes and rents, adjusting for inflation.
If the Chi-coms are buying up bay area RE, that will only last until their Japan-style bubble economy goes belly-up.
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Remember when everyone was freaking out about the Japs buying up RE in the US? How'd that turn out?
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wthrfrk80 says
That could end, but I doubt that the Chinese will give up on SF so easily. There are a lot more Chinese than Japanese.
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Then what percentage of all buyers is it?
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FunTime says
Here are some articles that seem to say it is a significant percentage:
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/epaper/2011-05/27/content_12592237.htm
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/peninsula/2011/10/chinese-real-estate-buyers-flocking-peninsula
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Never Trust Realtors says
So, where is it evident? Do you live in the sunset district? Are you in the Presidio? Where have you observed SF prices declining and when? If you don't have data you must have personal experience.
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I don't think NeverTrustRealtors/69Charger/RealtorsAreLiars has any data. But he/she is entertaining.
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Realtors shot JFK from the grassy knoll...
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Good grief, Charlie Brown. I thought we had an age limit of 13 on this wthrfrk80 says
I would settle for a little anecdotal evidence! My contention is that these rich communities have too much involvement by the wealthy in their towns. Here is an example. In Reno, De Andrea's residents voted down a small assessment, and the golf course is closing down. That will kill house values even more and blight the planned community.
But I don't think that would ever be allowed to happen in SF.