WatchBeen searching around and talking to other investors in chat rooms and there's a growing number of folks thinking it's a good time to start shorting Apple. They may have reached their peak and the decline is beginning. A recent article from Jin Yee states that she's one of those that believe it's a good time to start looking into shorting Apple also.
source: http://www.hotstockstobuy.com/2012/03/the-new-ipad-first-day-sales-report/
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As long as idiots with money exist...
Apple will continue to prosper along with it's shares.
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hanera says
He did all of the the work in developing the software, hardware and circuit board when they first started. He owns several patents as well.
Without Wozniak's technical abilities, Steve Jobs would have NEVER been able to create Apple and taken it to where it is now.
Wozniak gave Apple it's start.
Steve Wozniak ending his employment with Apple in February 6, 1987 is a useless fact and useless information. He is still a Apple shareholder and receives 120K per year till this day.
He receives a paycheck till this day even though he left for over 25 fucking years... There is a REASON why... It's because he contributed a lot for Apple and Apple owes him.
Apple paying off Wozniak till this day speaks louder than your useless facts.
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It is always low people do all the work.
Then high people get credit.
I feel been used.
This pyramid food chain scares me.
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Please do. I'll be happy to take the other end of that trade.
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Intraday trading? You're not an investor.
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Apple may someday fall out of favor, but not until the 6 billion people have one of their products.
By that time I'm gonna be sipping a drink with an umbrella in it, served by an asian "nurse".
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If you believe that shorting the most successful, profitable, largest, company is a smart way to build your fortune, you are a speculator not an investor.
This is not the way to build your wealth over time.
Warren Buffet for example emulates my little old lady neighbor who is richer than god. She bought blue chip company stocks many decades ago and now she's worth millions. But, she's 90 now so she's going to pass this huge wealth on to her children.
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"There's a good number of people thinking it's a good time to start shorting Apple."
I hear sheep.
Don't be a sheep :-)
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Apple's success was driven by its CEO, Steve Jobs, being accountable to no one but himself. Thus, Apple did not follow in the lines of the traditional corporations of multiple silos and turf building between executive VPs. Thus, Jobs was able to reverse engineer... starting from the p.o.v. of the user, and backtracking it to R&D, delivery, & marketing. In another company, if someone (who isn't the founder) tries the above, he'll be stepping on the toes of sales, marketing, R&D, and production VPs. Most likely, that person would be shown the door, in a year or two. Thus, the success of Apple is not reproducible in corporate America, including Apple itself, w/o Jobs around. So I wouldn't short apple but I think its juggernaut days are over.
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suziclue says
There is your first mistake. Chat room? I'd be willing to bet that over half of the people in there are throwing out opinions based on their current position. Shorters would love for you to sell, and longs would love for you to buy. You are being easy prey by going there asking for advice. The only reason I would ever go into a chat room or message board is to look for links to actual interesting data. I would never go there looking for advice. It is like going to a late night club in the dirty part of town looking for someone to marry. Not a great idea.
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thomas.wong1986 says
I tried this program and it epically failed to run so many programs that I need. And yes, I read the instructions carefully and made sure I was doing everything right.
Maybe for others who don't use the programs it doesn't work on, it maybe suitable.
But for me, this thing did nothing to solve the problem.
Get a good PC. Same specs and even in MANY cases much better specs and features for only a fraction of the price with the SAME exact hardware from the same exact manufacturer and factory.
Anything that is done on a mac, you have so many ways to run just as good on a PC and sometimes even better.
Adobe THEMSELVES say that all their software runs better on a PC!
Macs are overpriced. Even artists, graphic designers and those in music production DO NOT need a Mac. A mac will not do anything better. They have so many compatibility issues, it's ridiculous to be honest.
The virus, spyware and trojan argument is so outdated and faulty. You have to be a REAL idiot to get a virus these days. They are so many free anti-virus, trojan and spyware softwares out there. Even Microsoft offers one. Use one just in case.
Firewalls are also there for a reason.
Do NOT download cracked software either. No programmer in their right mind is going sit on the computer for several days to crack software for free. They usually want something out of it and what they usually want is to put a trojan or spyware in your computer so they can steal your personal and financial information to commit fraud.
And they only reason PCs get more viruses is because a majority of people use a PC. Committing fraud is a number's game and thieves know this.
In fact, if a mac was owned by the majority of people - the virus, trojan and spyware problem would be MANY MANY times greater.
Why? Because Mac's operating system is extremely insecure. Macs are NOT more safe. In fact, they are unsafe in their security settings.
They are much more easier to hack and infect than a windows. Mac's problem of their inferior OS and their troublesome security will be magnified many times more than Windows ever was as they get more popular.
In fact, some hackers and identity theft fraudsters prey only on Mac users because they know how easy it is to hack but also that they are demographically targeting a group of people who most likely have money but also may lack some intelligence.
Their prey may have lots of money since the chances are greater of finding a rich wealthy yet dumb person with a mac. Mac users also tend to be off their guards because they think Macs are really safe, secure and they do not ever get a virus.
Rich & Wealthy + Dumb + Off Their Guards = Perfect Prey for Fraud.
Warranty is the same for Apple as is the warranty for most PCs.
User interface is not better in the Mac. And even it is, why would you pay close to 3 times more for it and not be able to upgrade it to prevent it from being obsolete?
Mac's OS is not only something inferior to Windows but it is something you want to avoid.
Mac's also crash. Mac's are also not that stable and they are defiantly not more stable than Windows by any long shot.
Mac's being able to run Windows is there because Apple knows that users NEED Windows. Hardly any Windows' users complain about not having OS X on their machine. And even IF they need OS X, they can run it too. But why would they want too? There is no need. Trust me.
Aluminum built computers can also be found in PCs. So that is also a invalid mute argument on why macs are a better buy.
Aesthetics: Many PCs look better than the Macs or equally as good. This point is subjective which is why you should go for PC since they have many more choices to choose from. Macs all have the same style and some people actually don't like the way they look. PCs are also more customizable for aesthetics as well as specs.
Otherwise nothing is "premium" about a Mac except the perception that it is "premium". Buy it if you are so concerned with impressing others and trying to keep up with dumb sheep. You get way less for your money. All you pay for is the name and a shiny partially-eaten apple logo because it tastes like shit. So they had to make it shiny and glow with light so more people will be FOOLED by appearances.
They only Apple products I like and will buy are the iPods. Anything else is not worth the money. Maybe the iPhones are worth the money depending on the contract details and why you need a iPhone instead of a more simple phone.. iPads are really not that great and the price for what they are giving you is a complete rip off.
Sorry for bashing Apple but they kinda deserve it for their vastly inferior overpriced computers.
I will still give A LOT of credit to Apple... For there business and marketing strength. They are geniuses when it comes to separating people from money. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak are both very smart people who every business(wo)men should learn from. They knew that the majority of people are idiots and that Apple was guaranteed to be a major long-term success.
Steve Jobs for marketing, leadership, branding and public image. Steve Wozniak for managing the technical side of Apple which was also extremely critical for Apple to be a success.
Any person that bought apple shares going back when they were first available is a genius to also admire and learn from because they were able to spot potential.
I notice part of the problem with stock investors is also that many of them tend to look at everything that is ALREADY a success.
Very few of them try to look for and spot a potential big-time winner so they can buy extremely low. That takes investment and business talent but the rewards for developing and using that talent for stock investment comes with a very big payoff.
You need a VERY long-term view in investment mindset to succeed.
Quick money can be had but it is extremely risky and comes with less rewards. Take a lot more work too and time is extremely critical in day trading. Stressful life is not worth the money unless you REALLY need the money and are willing to take some risks but also learn. But if you love it, knock yourself out.
Most investors (stocks, real estate and anything else) forget the broad range big picture of their investment which is 20-50 years. Which is why within a period of 10 years... The majority of them lose their money.
But I guess it's also because they may not cash out when it's time to sell and they are too late to buy when it's time to buy. So they sell at the wrong time or not when they should sell and they also buy at the wrong time.
"When it comes to stocks, quick in - quick out."
-Rothschild
I guess rigging the market and insider trading is much better and more profitable. That's what the Rothschild's do.
George Soros does it. Warren Buffet does it.
White collar fraud is the best way to earn money. Whether it's in business or investment in any kind.
You just need to cover yourself legally and make sure you know how to screw the sheep legally. In other words: Steal but do so in way which makes it 100% legal. No one can ever arrest you.
Make sure you are also above the law in case you accidently violate some laws without intending too.
John Corzine would be behind bars if he wasn't above the law and in bed with the government.
J.P. Morgan will make sure you never go to jail or have any charges pressed if you are one of them and if you are a trusted ally. All the money from MF Global went to J.P. Morgan.
J.P. Morgan paid off the authorities, judge, prosecutors and the government not to fuck with Corzine...
He had a $2500 a plate dinner with President Obama too.
The most successful thieves tend to be the ones who do their crimes mixed in with some legitimate business plus morally corrupt ways in a business suit, tie and black dress shoes with a suitcase and in a office with a desk. They also tend to be the ones who never get caught and when they do... They get off scott free or with very little repercussions. The worst is usually a civil case... where you pay off whatever idiot sheep you fucked over some chump change settlement.
Only idiots rob with a mask, gloves and a gun. Do your thievery legally with legitimate business built into it plus morally corrupt business. Just double make sure you are doing everything legally and under the law. Do not fuck over the wrong people, even if it is legal. Make sure to be on very good terms with the government and authorities.
Some people are so high up with the government that even if they murder someone and some prosecutor has all the evidence needed to prosecute. They will NEVER spend a minute in court.
Bernie Madoff fucked over the wrong people. That's all... AND he did it way too directly with no legitimate business mixed in it and EVERYTHING he did was completely illegal. He also left a lot of paper evidence and a financial trial of evidence. He also had no special status with the authorities and government. His status was that of an commoner. No special treatment.
The more vast the theft, the greater the sophistication needed and the greater the connections needed to get away with it.
Just make sure you have all that in check.
Never steal in a direct fashion. It's the dumbest way to steal even legally. It's payoff is much smaller, limited and it's much easier to get caught. Do everything legally but indirectly and mixed in with something that's not morally corrupt.
Be moral and immoral at the same time.
The indirect method of being a scumbag crook also applies to being a mass murderer.
Example. Bankrupt a nation and make them so poor that they can't even buy food or water. Make sure no one can help them in anyway or give them any shelter or any assistance of any kind. They will die within a few days from dehydration.
Example: War.
Peasants commit crime directly. Royalty commit crime indirectly.
Everyone is a scumbag... Honesty is just a front and only to be used genuinely with those closest to you like family, trusted friends and a small circle of people.
They only thieves that are looked down upon are those who do their swindling honestly and in a direct fashion.
The thieves who do their swindling dishonestly and give the appearance of them actually giving you something in return are the most respected, admired and envied. These are usually found in professional business suits, suitcases, professional offices, sitting in a office desk, a phone line, a computer, a pen, legal pads, paper, printer and a copy machine.
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khalid7551 says
Stop spamming.
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clambo says
Man you really have some kind of issue with women.
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Samsung sold more smartphones than Apple in Q1? If not vy Q2 it will be pretty clear, especially when Galaxy III comes out. The 4S is an inferior product. Google took away their most important competitive edge.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/04/20/samsung-outsold-apple-in-smartphones-in-q1-analyst-says/?partner=yahootix
Seen it around the office, Young people who bought Blackberry converted to Apple are now converting to Galaxy II Rocket./ Razr Apple desparately needs the Iphone 5.
Samsung is one hell of a consumer product company. Plasma/LED, phone/pads, Computers/electronic devices, household appliances. They are all good products. Notwithstanding they are the biggest semi in memory, displays, chips, prodcessors, etc and/or leader in all their business. They are like Sony of the 1990 but even more vertically intergrated with patent portfolio as thick as the bible.
It's hard to keep a competitive edge in this industry as brand loyalty does not last that long, Sony and RIMM is just a fair warning that Apple may not stay on top forever.
Google overtakes them in OS
Samsumg overtakes them in design, key patents and cost.
Apple is not a short, but it is not a buy either. Chances are if you are in some S&P type index fund, 10% of it is Apple anyway.
Ipad3 sell through was not that impressive after the first week. It will be an interesting conference call as I can see Apple may have to be conservative in Q2.
Put options?
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Yep. Heard all that kinda stuff before.
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B.A.C.A.H. says
Focus groups and a lot of hanging out in tapas bars and coffee shops with idle Facebook losers....err users
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If it drops below $500 I'm backing up the truck at the dock.
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Apple will have many headwinds in the next few years.
-If the student loan bubble stops growing at the rate of the last couple of years it will hit Apple hard. Many of those loans are buying macs and iPads.
- Amazon is a lot cheaper for devices and content. I own an iPad but buying movies from iTunes is a lot more expensive than Amazon.
- Apple cloud is weak in comparison to Google and Amazon.
- Do not underestimate Windows 8 tablets.
Shorting Apple is dangerous but could be very rewarding at these levels. we could see Apple go down to 250-300 in the next two years if student loan growth slows down or reverts.
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treatmentreport says
"Many"?
The biggest demographic buying iPads is 35-44. Your argument is not convincing.
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There are about 6 billion people who want to buy an Apple product. They are in countries with no debt. This means Apple will sell ever increasing numbers of everything. This means more profit for Apple.
Windows tablets won't have any significance.