He explains exactly when evangelical Christians don't actually follow Christ's teachings.
Bill Maher nails it!
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yoouahhh speaka da inglish ?
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No I speaked it the English.
You just put in your ears bad.
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TPB says
That's what in depth analysis is like. Any debate is composed of at least two sides and each side makes a series of points. If you want to convince the audience that the opponent's point X is wrong, you state X is wrong because of Y. Y is your counterpoint. You repeat this process for each point you wish to refute.
Your opponent then either concedes the point or address your counterpoint Y with his rebuttal Z. He repeats this process for each point you refuted with a counterpoint. That is the definition of debate.
It's the right way to resolve issues. A lot of people have said Bill Maher is a liberal, douchebag who is always wrong. Not a single one of them has given a reason why or has refuted any of the points Maher made in the video that started this thread.
Now, I'm as open minded as can be, but if you say Maher is an idiot and don't back it up with anything at all, I'm not going to accept your assertion, especially when I see him make a good case that Christian fundamentalist completely disagree with the core moral beliefs of Christ.
On one side, I have a coherent and sensible argument presented by Maher, and on the other side I have name calling with nothing to back it up.
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TPB says
Comedians bust everybody's balls. That's their job.
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TPB says
I have never heard Bill Maher make the political claim that being white is bad. I think you are injecting that.
Bill Maher has said on the record that he, unlike many liberals, has the balls to say that some cultures are better than others. American culture is better than the Middle Eastern culture that treats women like property and honor kills them if they get raped. So, Bill Maher certainly does stand up for American culture when it is on the right side, but he also criticizes it when it is wrong. And isn't that the right thing to do?
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I was told there wouldn't be any Math. We were just going to list relevant and irrelevant banter on the internet, to let it speak for its self. Dan8267 says
HUN! You and I ain't solving any issues, here. Nobody asked us, that's why we're posting. If every thing I say needs a qualifier, then who's qualified to make that distinction? Your unintended audience? NO! You hope you're preaching to the choir, less you have an angry lot riding your ass from the thread to thread.
"Fuck the Liberals, everything is Obama's fault. He hates transsexual grandmothers. "
See try it, it can' be exhilarating.
I said I love Rush Limbaugh and the world didn't end. At first my butt puckered and I was like... "Oh shit what did I just do?" I thought for sure, the polar ice shelf was going to slide off into the abyss, and create a giant psunami that would blast its way to South Florida and smite me from the earth. Well no not quite, because I caught a palm frawn, so I didn't get swept away, but then El Nino came around and killed my fish, ate my dog.
So then I woke up feeling groggy, so I turned on the News, and I'll be damned if there wasn't something else to blame Obama for.
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Everything is math removed by N degrees.
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Any rational third party reading these threads will be more persuaded by intelligent analysis than unfounded assertions. And that's the only audience I care about. The irrational idiots will form whatever uninformed random opinion the will. The rational, sensible people are the ones who create progress and, in the long run, determine the future of the world.
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Show me progress today, and I'll show you the new way the Iwog class is making a back door killing. On the backs of the middle class that have been indentured to them, by purchase mandates. Debating that with you is a moot point. Because in your heart you firmly believe that the mandated healthcare by Obama, which by the way, has inflated over 70% since its passing, is most likely viewed as a big win by you, and not the MASSIVE ASS FUCK it really is to the rest of us, that sees it for exactly what it is.
There's no arguing that with anyone, or sent on a homework assignment and told to go find facts for which it is that I'm upset about. Fuck off, the offense is the offense, Obama is a man that doesn't need any further introduction.
He's driving the country to drink and smoke, Obama has them taxed coming and going. Get upset gas is expensive, drink more, drink more, Obama will tax your cheap liquor and beer, but not the good stuff, they drink in Washington. Get upset your drinking gets taxed some more you smoke, you smoke Obama taxes you for smoking. You are now having to drive to the store to feed your Obama induced addictions, and what does Obama do? He goes and raises the price of Gas on Ya! You can't win so don't even try.
Hey that was pretty good, I'll have to save some of that, for my 100 days countdown post I promised.
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Wow, you really have no idea what my politics are. I think the so-called health care reform is a terrible joke that gave big insurance everything they wanted, is Unconstitutional since it is essentially a tax passed by the Senate rather than the House, is a step backwards, and has prevented real reform from happening.
The only solution to the health care crisis is to kill all big insurance. It's not the only thing that needs to be done, but it is the first thing that needs to be done.
So, no, I don't support Obama's health care plan, but don't let that keep you from putting words in my mouth.
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The worst tax is the inflation tax. Obama is no better or worse than Republicans on the inflation tax. Democrats raise taxes on the multi-millionaires,most of which are parasites not producers. Republicans toss a few pennies to the poor while giving millions to tens of millions to each billionaire, all the while making life more difficult for the poor and middle class.
Both Democrats and Republicans fuck the middle class, but Republicans are worse, they don't use lubricant.
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And prices of gas didn't skyrocket under Bush? It's the exact same game under both Bush and Obama. And given that Republicans are in bed with big oil, any Republican president (except the Rino Ron Paul) means higher gas prices.
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IT couldn't by any chance be more related to insanely stupid propaganda suggesting the federal government has way more of a role in pricing oil than all the intelligent traders of oil contracts believe it does.
This is based on nothing but sheer propaganda.
1) You have demand in China and India
2) War and disruptions in the Sudan, causing major decreases in Chinas oil imports
3) Blockade of Iran
and so on,
But the dim bulbs actually believe that if Federal regulations effect one pipeline in this country it makes this a factor that supercedes all the others (that are 10 time more important) in pricing oil.
If we are doomed, the real reason because of how readily the stupid public buy's Fox news and AM radio propaganda.
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marcus says
Oh yeah, that's why their growth is on the decline.
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Oil is in a surplus right now, we get more Oil every week than we actually consume.
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Iran couldn't defend a flotilla of rubber duckies in a bath tub!
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The problem is, everyone but Liberals aren't Morons, so when some smug federal Bastard tells us with a Chicken Shit grin on their puss, that they can't effect prices, while doing not doing jack all, to stop the gross price fixing and gouging abuses that is just so blatantly rampant. Is going to cost the Liberals BIG in November. Think 2010 on Steroids. Because the rest of us, just got insulted big time. We're saying Fuck you, you can't do nothing about gas prices, well the Polling place will have no place for those useless bastards.
It's a Goddamn lie for these bastards that this country trusts to keep the game fair, and to have an energy policy that fosters growth across the socioeconomic sector. Not just the 1% and their cronies, that are getting richer from high manipulated gas prices. 80% of the people playing in Oil effecting the price the most, don't have a place for delivery, and if they were not involved Oil would be bellow $70 a barrel. OPEC has said this again and again, funny how OPEC never once, ever in their whole history blamed speculators for the price of Oil. Until Bush and Bush Jr.(by that I really mean Bush Jr. and Obama)
came along.
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It's a huge global market, with many participants. Yes, markets are affected by expectations, but any oil trader would tell you that what the federal government is doing now, and expectations about what they will do later this year are small factors.
Where as Chinas supply of 6% of their oil needs from Sudan, and blocking Iran's sales of oil, those are big factors regardless of right wing fantasies or propaganda.
As for China's growth being on the decline ? I seriously question whether you know what declining growth means. Hint: It means they are still growing and consuming more oil than previously. Just that it isn't increasing as fast as before.
When consumption increases faster than production, or even when expectations are that consumption will soon exceed production, this causes prices to go up.
It's a market.
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This has been a lame attempt by Gingrich, and believe me he knows it's a total lie.
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well it would seem to me, if Obama wasn't trying to be such a Green Scam Schil and fuck the American poor and the struggling over by burdening them with astronomical energy prices, while laughing hardily in their face about it. Then Obama and his energy team would enact anti Oil speculator legislation that they them selves threatened to invoke on Bush, before the market backed off the inflationary pressures.
Now all Obama and the liberals in Washington have to do is enforce legislation they them selves wrote, when this was an issue because it was under Bush's watch. But under Obama, then "there's nothing we can do, our hands are tied" Bullshit they give us.
We're not idiots, if Obama would just demand that the laws already in place are enforced then I would have nothing to bitch about now would I. Because Obama would have done all he can do, or at least showed America he was even trying.
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there's plenty of reasons to criticize obama. gas prices isn't one of them. if he had any control over gas prices they'd be pushed down to $2/gal to assure easy re-election. current gas prices are really bad for him. even if we assume the stupid conspiracy theories of the right wing talking heads is accurate you'd still have to assume that while obama is an evil genius that must be stopped he's also an absolute idiot who can't wait until his re-election is wrapped up to start his four-year gas price gouge.
we're exporting gas at record levels. that's capitalism in action. that's what people always say they want. people are still buying gas. who are we to tell gas companies how much they can charge or where they can sell their products?
basically, you can't complain about obama being a socialist with one breath and then complain he's not doing enough to lower gas prices with the next. it's illogical and inconsistent.
but personally, I lean socialist. I think everyone should be covered by medicare. I think there's public solutions to these kind of issues.
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Dan8267 says
Nobody has a soul. The soul is a Bronzed Age myth
C. S. Lewis: 'You don't have a soul. You ARE a soul. You HAVE a body.'
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Very true.
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That's not true at all.
Watch how Robert Reich goes blah blah blah and doesn't really get to the heart of the issue, which is foreign policy and then Stockman nails it.
Stopping the war drum beats is in the President's hand.
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The President's power in this regard is greatly overstated. The drum-beating is coming from the MIC and from political elements domestic and foreign that want to use the USA as it's goon to beat up Iran. My perception is Obama has been trying to tone this down and finding it's like herding cats.
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That's the problem there's just waaaaaayyyyyyyy to damn much of that going on, in regards to Obama.
Funny how all of the other Shitty Presidents, no Perception was required, Their actions alone wrote history such as it was.
That Perception, if I recall had Obama neck and neck with J.F. Kennedy on his 100 days in office. Where in the fuck are those morons now, that bestowed that cheap suit on Obama?
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Fiction is great, as long as you understand it's fiction.
You don't have a soul, you have mind. That mind is implemented by your brain. If your brain gets damaged, your mind gets damaged. If your brain gets destroyed, your mind gets destroyed.
Your consciousness cannot exist without your brain. Like it or not. You are your brain.
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I just wish that instead of being able to print money, the Fed had to get it's money from a gasoline tax. Then the American public would give a rats ass about inflation because they could see them paying that tax every time they go to the pump.
Americans are so stupid, unless they can physically see the money leaving their pocket, the don't realize it's being taken by the Fed. And Americans have such short memories that they need to be reminded every week.
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P N Dr Lo R says
Great! How much does a soul weigh? What elements and compounds is it composed of? How many can sit on the head of a pin?
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We all want our consciousness to continue after our bodies die, but it doesn't. It's a tragedy to waste any life opportunity because we think we have an immortal soul. It's much better to accept that life and consciousness are finite and make use of every moment you have.
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Huh?
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If I'm translating correctly, and that certainly is difficult with TPB, then TPB is claiming that the exuberance felt by Obama supporters when Obama got elected was overblown and not justified.
Here's a few clips that demonstrate that exuberance.
As anyone can see, a lot of African Americans were exhilarated that an African American had been elected. This should not be surprising given the history of America.
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter that an African American was elected. That particular event does not magically transform our society. But humans are heavily influenced by symbolism, and the idea that an African American was elected president, however non-substantial that change is, had a strong emotional effect on people who had been discriminated against for so long and did not think they would live to see an African American president.
Of course, the important stuff is Obama's policies, not his skin tone. But that did get lost in the hype about Obama's election.
How much did people think that Obama would change things? Well, some went to ridiculous extremes.
But most people, like Magic Johnson above, had more realistic expectations. I would argue that even those realistic expectations have been unrealized. And, in fact, many Obama supports, including African Americans, have been disappointed in Obama. Of course, they will still vote for him because they fear the alternative. But I've seen them openly state that Obama hasn't lived up to the hype.
So yeah, the Obama hype was b.s. So was Bush's "restoring dignity to the White House". But beside Ron Paul, who now clearly has zero chance of election unless all three other candidates drop out, the Republicans aren't offering any alternative. And that's why, like it or not, Obama will be re-elected.
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I stand corrected.
Obama being the FIRST black man elected President. Is accomplishment enough. He does not require any other merit or girth of leadership.
Let's all give Barry a good pat on the back for being Black.
Let's hear it for Obama's black ass! (canned applause)
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Nevertheless, Obama will be re-elected, not because he is black, but because two-thirds of the American public are scared shitless about what a Republican president would do, and rightfully so.
Bush completely trampled upon basic human rights and dignity. Obama has continued that trend, but the three plausible Republican candidates all have taken the position that Bush didn't go far enough in turning the American public into slaves with no rights.
Christ, do you really think that forcing a rape victim to have a stick shoved up her vagina before she gets an abortion so she doesn't have to bare the rapist a child is "small government"? How the fuck does the Republican philosophy justify the government having the power to do that?
The Republican party is going to die a slow death, and America is going to have a single-party system just like in China. Twenty years from now, the only vote you'll get is which Democrat to vote for because the Republicans have gone off the deep end.
The only chance Republicans have is to completely abandon the South, the Bible thumping, racist, Jesus-freak, hypocrites that Nixon wooed in 1968. Johnson dropped those racist Dixiecrats when he saw the writing on the wall that racism and xenophobia would no longer be tolerated by the vast majority of Americans.
Well, those Dixipublicans are dragging the Republican Party back into the Stone Age. The Republican Party isn't going to survive in the 21st century with them.
The Republicans also have to drop support for the 0.1% parasites who produce nothing and siphon vasts amounts of money virtually tax-free from the other 99.9%.
Instead, the Republicans need to return to the Eisenhower / Teddy Roosevelt days. When Republicans believed in:
1. Small government (including small, defense-only military).
2. Personal liberty and responsibility (no "social conservatism").
3. Rugged individualism.
4. Conservative means "protecting nature".
5. Progressivisism. Teddy was a progressive.
6. Anti-bank.
7. Pro-small business, anti-big business. Big business leads to fascism and undermines democracy and liberty and the free market.
8. Strongly enforced anti-trust laws. Teddy = "The Trust Buster"
9. A complete, absolute, and impenetrable wall separating church and state.
10. The industrial military complex is evil and a threat to national security (Eisenhower) and wars should only be fought to defend life, liberty, and sovereignty. It is right to fight a war to prevent a foreign genocide. It is wrong to fight a war to ensure oil is sold in dollars instead of euros.
11. Debts are bad. Deficits do matter.
12. The public must be educated. An educate public makes better citizens, require fewer social services, and prevents poverty.
13. The power of government must be severely limited.
14. There must be complete transparency in all of government.
15. There must be accountability when government steps over the line.
Unfortunately, the Republican Party does not believe in any of the above principles. Oh sure, they may claim to believe in them, but their actions oppose every one of the above desires.
And unless the Republicans return to these principles, the pre-1960s Republican ideas, that party is doomed to die.
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Oh, and don't bitch that Democrats don't believe in most of those things either. That's not the point, and it won't save the Republican Party.
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One can hope, but never underestimate the power of an idiocracy.
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Had President Obama had several years working in industry instead of "community activistm", someone who knew business world and domestic/global economics, he would not have been as appealing to the far left, more appealing to the center and right, and he would have been more effective and successful in dealing with economic issues.
Did he ever take a Econ class during his university years.. or just hang out with neo-marxist?
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Yeah Obama would have done America a greater service had he taken an economics course at a local University, for the three years he's been in office, or a Community college, they still take blacks with a GED.
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thomas.wong1986 says
1. Obama is as much a communist as Reagan or Bush.
2. Communism isn't necessarily bad. The Soviet and Chinese implementation sucked, but that does not prove that communism is useless. Economic systems are like underwear, you change them when you need to.
Communism, capitalism, feudalism, and all other economic system have strengths and weaknesses that make each appropriate for some set of circumstances and inappropriate for others. To say that one economic system is the best under all situations is religious nonsense.
3. Obama isn't even a socialist. He's policies have been extremely anti-socialist. His health care "reform" is nothing more than RomneyCare from the 1990s. He bailed out the banks. He has let the Fed keep interest rates absurdly low. He appointed Bernake, Greenspan's love child, as the new Fed chairman. His economic policies are exactly the same as the Republicans, including Bush, except in one regard: he's not giving a free ride to the ultra-rich people like Romney.
And why the hell is Romney's taxes lower half of what my taxes are? I produce wealth, Romney destroys it and sucks money from the debris.
4. It would be better for a president not to have taken an economics class in America because of all the Keynesian bullshit that gets shoved down your throat in U.S. universities. The economics class I took didn't even mention Austrian economics. It pretended that subject didn't even exist.
And Keynesian economics and philosophy is what caused the financial crisis.
5. Every bad economic move Obama made would have been made by Bush or McCain or Romney as well. Obama is literally taking orders from the same damn people.
6. The Republicans continually tried to crash and destroy the American economy to make sure the public blamed Obama. They deliberately harmed America to convince the public to make Obama a one-term president. Please ask me to provide YouTube videos on this.
7. As bad as Obama, and all the Republicans, are on the economy (as they are all Keynesian slaves), the truly horrific things Obama has done from torture to citizen assassination lists, you so-called little-government conservatives never complain about? What's up with that? Do you agree with Obama that, fuck the Constitution and rule of law, the government should be able to murder U.S. citizens with no trial, no accountability, and no transparency?
But oh no, Obama is a black Democrat with a foreign sounding name and African Americans are irrationally jubilant that a black guy got elected president. And that's so much more important than the fact that our government has been replaced by a sick oligarchy that ignores all rule of law and can torture and murder your family. For whites have to be miserable if blacks are happy?
It's not that your bitching about Obama that annoys me. It's that you are selectively bitching about Obama instead of all those like him on both parties (but mainly Republican) and that you are ignoring the very worst of Obama's policies because they happen to be core Republican policies as well.
If Obama simply started waring a Republican label and said anyone making over $1 million pays no taxes, would you like him? Because those are the only two difference between Obama and Bush/Romney/Santorum/Gingrich.
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I agree with much of this except blaming the financial Crisis on Keynsian policies,
and your overstatement of how much of a republican Obama is.
Just requiring downpayment of 20% for real estate, that one thing would have prvented the housing crisis. Other deregulation, especially of the so called shadow banking system and the trading of CDS etc, were also huge factors.
We are Keynesian when it comes to stimulating the economy to avoid recession (with borrowed money) but then when we had the opportunity to reduce deficits
under Bush, when the economy was strong, he decided instead to give the money to the rich (his tax cuts of 2001). That's not what Keynes said we should do.
The difference between Bush and Obama is more general than what you said about taxes on the rich. They were both big government spenders, but Bush's big government spending was far different than what Obama has in mind. Given a chance, Obama and other democrats would invest more in this country (alternative energy, infrastructure, etc) Bush's type is far more under the thumb of the neocons and the rich. His investments were all about enriching his friends, and the rich in general. His type is more likely to invest in empire fantasies that simultaneously enrich the military industrial complex, and big oil.
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marcus says
The Keynsian vs. Austrian thing has been discussed in other threads, so lets not go off on a tangent with that here.
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How did this thread about Bill Maher talking about Christian fundamentalist not following Christ's teachings about compassion and forgiveness end up being about Obama?
Oh well, that tangent is already done.
I would state unequivocally that Obama is more to the right than the Republican demigod Ronald Reagan. While in office, Reagan raised taxes 11 times. How many times did Obama raise taxes?
Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit, and Reagan wasn't dealing with the Second Great Depression. Reagan also expanded the size of the federal government considerably, and certainly way more than Obama.
Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. This gave nearly 3 million undocumented immigrants amnesty. Compared that to Obama who has done essentially nothing in regards to immigration.
Oh, and for all those conservatives complaining that Obama is so closely associated with Bill Ayers... Reagan created the Taliban and helped Osama Bin Laden rise to power when he started training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist Mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Mujahidin is the former name of the Taliban. They are the same people.
Obama is right of Reagan by any measurement -- well, except skin tone.
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The reason is you haven't listened to him much. Maher, at least, regularly speaks quite nastily about nuts claiming to be Muslims just like he does nuts claiming to be Christians. He's quite firmly in the fold of people who think claiming to hold the beliefs of most(all? depending on definition) religions is nuts.
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Funny how conservatives hate Bill Maher, a guy who has advocated:
1. Small government.
2. Personal responsibility.
3. Western civilization is better than Middle East civilization.
4. The Soviet Union was "an evil empire".
5. America should kick the terrorist ass.
Yep, all things that the conservatives disagree with.
But Maher isn't a conservative because although he praises America's virtues, he also acknowledges and criticizes its faults. And a conservative could never do that. They don't get that in order to make America better, you have to acknowledge its faults and call for change.
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Dan8267 says
Let's say your right.
Is that because it's who he is ?
OR it it because of the environment he finds himself in ?
Either way it's pretty scary. But even more so if it's the latter, and if it's only way he felt he could function. Look at the degree to which he has been demonized by the propaganda machine, and the degree to which congress said fuck you to anything he wanted to do, even being as far to the right as he has been.
MAybe you're sort of right though. Food for thought. The only way liberal policies can be implemented is by someone disguised as a "conservative" (such as Reagan). And vica versa. But they both pay homage to the military industrial complex.
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marcus says
Irrelevant. Regardless of the current political environment, anyone who is president is responsible for his actions.
To ignore the atrocities Obama has committed simply because he inherited a bad environment is wrong. If I had to choose any time to be president it would have been in 2008, not because the nation was in a good state, but because it was in a bad state. With all the bad that had happen, 2008 was an opportunity to turn everything around from the military to the economy to health care.
A crisis is always an opportunity for change and reform. Obama wasted the crisis and in fact made it worse just like McCain would have.
The crisis is always the point of maximum reform potential because the public is the most infuriated with the status quo.
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Dan8267 says
I would think that some of them, after years of politics to get them in the position, would actually do something with the power. I'm thinking they get paid so well not to rock the boat that they just play in their inner circle, keep the people they represent happy enough, and look good.
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He is trying way too hard to be like George Carlin.