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If you look suspicious, you can be murdered legally in Florida

By Dan8267   Follow   Wed, 21 Mar 2012, 11:30pm   33,599 views   501 comments
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Some racist follows an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy. The boy buys candy and iced tea at a convenience store and continues walking home. The neighborhood watch scumbag stalks the boy, murders him with a gun, and then claims he was acting under Florida's stand your ground law, which states that a person can defend himself from an attacker rather without fearing legal prosecution.

The law was intended so that victims of violent crimes like rape, robbery, and attempted murder could fight back without risking prosecution. It was not intended to give a person the right to pro-actively engage someone in battle, and if you win -- which isn't hard when your armed with a gun and the other person is a minor with no weapons -- then you get away with murder. However, the police didn't arrest the murderer. After all, the victim did look suspicious. He had suspicious skin tone.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/20/10775671-trayvon-martin-case-to-go-to-grand-jury-fla-state-attorney-announces

And that is why I hate social conservatism. A boy with his entire life ahead of him, snuffed out because of some stupid reptilian xenophobia.

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1. Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq Follow Befriend 53 threads 658 comments

   1   7:35am Tue 27 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   I go on vacation for Spring Break in Cancun to party with drunk high school girls and look what happens! Has the world gone mad? Fact: It's called a "burglary tool" when in the hands of Negro and Irish. For everyone else, it's just a plain screwdriver. Fact: Negroes in hoodies are "suspicious". White guys in hoods are Knights and Southern Gentlemen. Fact: It's medical marijuana when I smoke it, and I'm called a patient. When smoked by Negroes or Irish, it's weed and they are called rapist dope fiends. Fact: Writing "WTF" on someone's locker is grounds for expulsion because not writing out "what the fuck" is just pure laziness. Fact: A 140 pound Negro can best any 250 pound man in a fist fight. Floyd Mayweather Jr. would totally kick Wladimir Klitschko's ass. Fact: If they were doing their job, the police would have deported Zimmerman already.

2. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,445 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   2   2:17pm Thu 29 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   Okay I've avoided this thread until now, but here's my analysis. It's wild speculation based on what has come out so far and might be totally wrong, but I "feel" it's what actually happened: Asshole #1 Has a chip on his shoulder. Might be about rich people or white people or just teen arrogance. Asshole #2 Has a chip on his shoulder. Might be about punks, blacks, or kids in hoodies. Asshole #1 Jumps a fence he shouldn't have jumped to take a shortcut. Asshole #2 Wants to be a cop but can't, and is looking to prove himself. Asshole #2 observes asshole #1 and calls the police. The police tell him not to mess with asshole #1. Asshole #2 ignores the police and confronts asshole #1. Asshole #1 doesn't owe any explanation to anyone about anything and shouts something to the effect of "fuck you". Asshole #2 says "fuck you" back and both posture. Asshole #1 or Asshole #2 throw the first punch. They fight. Asshole #2 takes a punch and is enraged. He shoots asshole #1 in the back as asshole #1 runs away. Verdict: Manslaughter I think both of them aggravated the situation and were influenced by the general dickishness of modern society to stand their ground for no good reason. If there's no gun, this is at worst a fight between two assholes. Zimmerman goes to prison for 7 years or so because lethal force wasn't necessary and the only ground he was protecting was his right to follow Trayvon Martin around. The whole race angle is really stupid and is being fanned by the media. Both liberals and conservatives are guilty of letting the media manipulate them into taking sides on an issue that should have been a simple battery case, and will be a relatively straightforward manslaughter case. Both of these men are probably racist to some extent, but it means nothing and has no greater implications on society.

3. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

   3   7:39pm Wed 28 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   It is fascinating that liberals (even if white) seem quick to see what they think is an obvious racist component to this (on Zimmerman's part) and also tend to think that it's extremely likely that Zimmerman committed murder. And hardcore conservatives seem quick to want to defend that Zimmerman may have been within his rights and that the "stand your ground" law (or whatever it's called) may apply. Forgetting whos view is correct, can we agree how fascinating it is that something so removed from politics seems, at least for many, to fall this way ? Really it is kind of astonishing. From what I have heard a lot of talk radio chatter has been in defense of Zimmerman. Vicente says I think most people have no idea how strongly this story resonates with African-Americans, and expect this to have a far larger impact than Rodney King. This is very true, and it points to how clueless the idiots are who criticize Obama's "if I had a son" comments. This incident happened on February 26, and blew up big time among African Americans on social media for weeks before it the hit mainstream media. As someone who works with children, I can only say about Zimmerman, what a completely sick and ignorant asshole Zimmerman (the other child in the story) is. (and Bap - you really should be ashamed of yourself).

4. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 760 threads 7,667 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   4   7:51pm Wed 28 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   FaithInHim says negro group I think we've identify the problem with social conservatives. They are still living in the 19th century. You can tell by their 19th century language.

5. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 760 threads 7,667 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   5   1:22pm Thu 29 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Bap33 says it is now "Zimmerman wasn't harmed enough to defend himself from the suspect!" That's a strawman argument. We're not saying a person has to be harmed X amount before defending himself. The article states quote "The security camera footage shot inside the police station directly contradicts a police report written that night." and continues that the video also contradicts the statements to the press by Zimmerman's attorney. Then the article goes into detail about how. Look, I know you want Zimmerman to be found innocent, but the evidence shows guilt. If you ignore all evidence that shows guilt, then you are not exactly an unbiased judge.

6. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 760 threads 7,667 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   6   1:23pm Thu 29 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   thunderlips11 says Bap33 says Prowlers What is Prowling? Prowling is walking while black. It's just as illegal as driving while black.

7. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

   7   2:29pm Thu 29 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   iwog says Asshole #1 Has a chip on his shoulder. Might be about rich people or white people or just TEEN ARROGANCE. Hello, this is your testosterone calling! You are a male teenager and your buds & girlfriends expect you to act like a "man" I mean shithead at any moment. Please be prepared for your pop quiz by checking your brains and parental advice at the door.

8. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 760 threads 7,667 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   8   1:37pm Tue 3 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Bap33 says Like I said, we let anyone over 18 vote, and anyone over 21 buy booze, so anyone of age should be able to carry anything they wish at any time, if they can legally do so. Anyone who can legally carry a gun can carry a gun. That's a truism. Now it might be interesting if we had some rational criteria for determining who can and who cannot legally care a gun and what kinds of guns and ammo they could carry.

9. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

   9   1:41pm Thu 5 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   "Racebaiter" is code for "yes I'm a racist, but if you bring it up I'll call you a racebaiter."

10. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    10   1:11pm Fri 6 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Honest Abe says What evidence do you have that "it is unlikely" that Trayvon initiated a violent confrontation. Isn't the word "unlikely" rather subjective? WE know that Martin was where he was supposed to be. He was staying in the gated community with his fathers Fiance. Maybe in his past experience he had lived places where he was permitted to be out and around the neighborhood at 7PM without anyone thinking that's suspicious. We actually have no idea what precipitated the shooting. All we know for certain is Zimmerman's history, that he thought Martin looked suspicious, and that he followed him and ultimately confronted him. It's reasonable to assume that Martin would have been motivated by fear if he did in fact beat up on Zimmerman. And it may be that Zimmerman tried to hold MArtin for police, something that was not his right if Zimmerman wasn't doing anything wrong. (note: that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have been wise for Martin to submit to Zimmerman - but it also doesn't mean that Zimmerman didn't commit murder) Honest Abe says Why is the media trying to race bait this issue??? Abe doesn't even see race he is so far above being racist that even now he is not aware that race could have anything to do with Zimmerman's perception of MArtin as suspicious, or with Zimmerman's not being charged with anything (and given a fair trial). Anyone who even suggests such a thing is "racebaiting." Right.

11. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    11   1:52pm Fri 6 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Honest Abe says How many black males got shot dead TODAY, somewhere in America, by another black male? Where's the screaming headlines? Just askin. Your logic is too good for me. That proves that race was not a factor in Zimmerman following Martin, and that it wasn't a factor in Zimmerman not being arrested. What was I thinking ?

12. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 168 threads 4,149 comments Premium

    12   3:57am Sun 22 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Given the headlines being added hourly of Realtor®s being arrested, indicted and sentenced for financial crimes, the most dangerous demographic cohort that can be identified is that of Realtor® - and their co-conspirators, of course. Just because a criminal psychopath isn't wearing a hoodie doesn't mean it is not the most dangerous monster to walk the earth.

13. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    13   9:35pm Tue 24 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Honest Abe says Can anyone confirm that? Why would you need confirmation? You've "heard" it and that's good enough right?

14. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    14   7:53am Fri 27 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Bap33 says No, you friggin dipshit, what that means is the chances are pretty good that a bad guy that you find while on patrol will match the same descriptions found in all of the police reports and interviews of victims in the area. Got to get to work, but this is an over the top logic error. And you probably even know that. If not, I'm sorry, I didn't know. Hey, you have many other strengths. There are other types of intelligence.

15. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    15   4:53pm Fri 27 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Bap33 says cmon dude, use your advanced reading skills! I did read it (or skim it), but I see you're right. Now I understand Zimmerman's extreme stupidity better. One time he saw a suspicious guy, who actually much later did turn out to be a burgler. So this time he saw a suspicious guy (ie black teenager), and he assumed he was right again, as I'm sure you would. I still say, just how dumb do you have to be to confuse a 1/50 chance or a 1/20 chance with certainty ? And it's funny Bap reading your thoughts such as: Bap33 says So, while an armed Zim is an issue for the sect of the population that outwardly matched the sect that causes most of the fear, hurt, and harm to a citizen group in an area, an armed Zim would be no problem for you, me, or ours. Why not have the bad guys be held responsible for making the other citizens so angry and afraid that the innocent people that look like the bad guys are looked at as badguys. I've lived in urban areas a good part of my life where half the people look like Martin or possibly scarier to a sheltered girly man like you or zimmerman, and I don't walk in fear or make retarded assumptions.

16. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    16   12:06pm Sun 29 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   I said, let's not speculate. But if you insist. my guess...is way different. But it's a number of possibilities of of what happened between Zimmerman's pursuit of a kid who he had no business pursuing and Martin kicking his ass, that is, if he did. MY best guess is one of two reasons. Either he was responding to Zimmerman's trying to detain him. Or it might have been simply fear, "who is this asshole that's stalking me." But I see MArtin trying to leave again after kicking Zimmerman's ass, and then Zimmerman getting up and in a rage pulling out his gun, at which point Martin started begging for his life, because he knew how pissed off Zimmerman was at that point.(remember Zimmerman's known rage issues) WE just don't know. But your assumption suggests that Martin was in the process of trying to kill Zimmermnan. A huge leap in my view. We also understand that no matter what, Zimmerman would feel that he needed to claim that Martin was trying to kill him. This is obvious. Everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Zimmerman would say that. His saying that his life was at risk is totally irrelevant. He's not going to say, "oh my God, what have I done, I just shot a guy who was just trying to get away from me. I'm fucked and going to go to prison for a very long time !!" Ask yourself, assuming total objectivity. What's more likely ? That Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman and Zimmerman needed to shoot Martin to prevent that from happening ? OR after shooting an unarmed teen, Zimmerman claimed his life was in danger to justify what he had done? Show me you can be honest Bap. I'm not asking you what you wish to be true. Just what's more likely? (By the way, this question ignores another big question which is why is Zimmerman even pursuing MArtin in the first place. Obviously from Martin's point of view, he did not represent law enforcement - he only represented a danger to him.) http://news.discovery.com/tech/george-zimmerman-voice-recognition-120404.html

17. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 49 threads 2,625 comments Premium

    17   7:37am Thu 22 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Abe, what on Earth are you talking about? Zimmerman calls Kid a "F**king Coon" on 911 call, is told not to follow Kid, does so anyway. I can't help but wonder if Zimmerman has a family member who is a cop or something. The reason I say this is that Zimmerman got into a brawl with a cop and was charged for it several years ago. His treatment by police gives me a feeling they went out of their way to let him off. As for self-defense, 90% of the time if somebody shoot somebody else, they charge you anyway - even if the self-defense was obvious, like shooting a stranger who is on the 2nd floor of your house at 3AM. They let this guy go and gave him his gun back right away. It's not racism? Check out these Fox News comments: What a shame—a tragedy, really— because the dead lil’ gangsta could’ve used “‘A-FIRM-TIV AK-SHUN” to go to kollige an play footballz and make lotsa cash munny!” […] Fast and Furious didn’t work to pass new gun control so now Eric Holder will try the race card. […] No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 45 years a large segment of bIack America has waged a war of v i o l e n t retribution against white America. […] Zimmerman was attacked by the man and defended himself with a gun. Zimmerman’s wounds were verified by police. […] 17 = child. LOL!!!!!! Let the LIB word games begin. […] Yet the “justice department” refuses to prosecute any voter intimidation that involves a blac k as the intimidator. […] Why should anyone care about this kid? Because he is of color? People don’t value kids period. They are property. BTW, I am a conservative that cares a great deal about kids. We follow hundreds of cases each year, many white babies and children, none of them get attention. But he does?? […] Zimmerman felt threatened by Martin’s gang’s actions…this could have possibly lead to these terrible circumstances. Gang violence MUST BE STOPPED OBAMA! […] Blacks can do no wrong, period! That is the DOJ’s excuse for becoming involved. 50+ years of being told they are special and entitled and the gov’t’s only focus is to make it so!! […] In any event, it appears to be a case of one sc u m bag Cuban-type (Zimmerman) offing some scummy b l a ck kid (Trayyy-Vonnnn)…in some trash neighborhood…. but now, because the dead kid’s a kneegrow, we have: the BIG BAD FBI on this “important” case…and the usual BLACK-RADICAL-PROTESTERS who can’t mind their own business! […] Gated communities exist because people are afraid….& negros thrive on crime…Look at our prisons. […] Need that too….But Negr0s only have their welfare checks….and in any event can’t follow rules […] What time do the riots start? Gotta get my popcorn and munchies ready for the “hood” burning! […] Funny you never see them rally against the drug dealing murderers that control their neighborhoods. LOL!!! […] How does anyone know what this 17 yr old said, Most likely he threw the race card out ” you stop me because I*M B L ACK” and then became threatning. The media alway plants the seed of doubt when when a B l ac k is sh ot by a caucasian […] maybe his gang brothers incited violence too? […] How’d the kid get into the “gated” community in the first place? […] Them monkeys can jump! Referenced by from LGF here: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40088_Fox_News_Commenters_React_to_Trayvon_Martin-_Good_Shot_Zimmy Note Fox News apparently eliminated all comments from this article. There were more than 3000 at one point. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/19/department-justice-opens-investigation-into-case-black-teenager-killed-by/3/#comment

18. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,445 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    18   8:12am Thu 22 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Honest Abe says Three to five is what the politicians should have gotten. Carter, Clinton, Barney, and the rest of the scum bags involved. Sociopaths, white collar criminals, the emeny within, financial terrorists. Imagine the warped mind required to post this paragraph in a thread about a black kid murdered by a racist idiot. Sociopath indeed.

19. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 760 threads 7,667 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    19   10:55am Thu 22 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   TPB says We got enough to hang this creep on, why does race have to play into it? Because Zimmerman stalked the boy because he was black. If here were a blonde, blue eye white girl, Zimmerman wouldn't have attacked him. Now, I'm not for prosecuting Zimmerman for "violating federal civil rights statutes". I'm for prosecuting him for murder. But that murder was the result of racist xenophobia, and you cannot honestly discuss this case without dealing with that. Do black teenager boys need to carry AK-47s to protect themselves from irrational neighborhood watch captains?

20. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,445 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    20   2:17pm Thu 22 Mar 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   TPB says How come a Black guy can pump a white guy with 6 bullets during a robbery, and shout "Die Cracker DIE!" after each squeeze of the trigger. He can't. This premise is retarded. TPB says And it wont go any further than a senseless random robbery and violence rap. Right....because the death penalty is reserved for rich white people. Statistics show that blacks are almost never in prison.