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White murder of blacks vs vice versa

By Patrick   Follow   Fri, 30 Mar 2012, 2:43am PDT   36,464 views   273 comments
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It is very politically incorrect but nonethess a fact that white people are much more likely to be murdered by black people in the US than vice versa.

Most murders are within the same race, but even then blacks have a much higher rate of murdering each other than whites do.

From http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls we see that in 2010, 447 whites were murdered by blacks, while 218 blacks were mudered by whites, for a total of 665 inter-racial murders.

Given that blacks are 12.6% of US population, and whites are 72.4% of US population, the population ratio is .174 to 1 black to white.

If the interracial murder rates were the same for both, we would expect 115 out of the 665 murders to be murders of whites by blacks. But the number was 447, which is 388% of the expected rate by populations.

OTOH, the total number was only 447 murders of whites by blacks, which is a small number relative to the total population of the US. There were over 40,000 deaths because of car accidents in the same year.

So a rational white person should be about 100 times more afraid of being killed by a car than being killed by a black person.

Dan8267   Mon, 18 Feb 2013, 4:32am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (7)   Dislike     Comment 1

HEY YOU says

Paul Mooney said something like: If you want to stop Racism, kill all the white people.

Paul Mooney was wrong. There is plenty of hatred between African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans. The idea that racism is only a problem that white people have is empirically false.

foxmannumber1   Thu, 18 Jul 2013, 5:14am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike     Comment 2

To address these myths:

1. 14% of whites aren't killed by whites. 6% of blacks aren't killed by blacks. Why are blacks killing whites at over twice the rate?

2. I think violent crime stats are down because we have a lot of blacks in jail already.
I also think that crimes are being wrongly classified or not reported in official numbers at all to make the crime stats appear better.
If someone of rank does not play ball with this policy, they are simply replaced by someone who will.
It's no different than the Atlanta public school cheating scandal.

3. Blacks are more flagrant in their drug use. Whites keep it private.
Blacks are also more likely to be dealers, who also have a host of other charges against them during a drug bust. Guns/theft/assault/parole/etc.
They plead guilty on the drugs and the other charges simply go away, leaving only a drug crime on record. This helps the stats as presented in myth #2.

4. Public schools are run by liberals who bend over backwards not to report blacks for behavioral issues.
Only the worst offending blacks are sent for discipline after numerous violations.
Even with the liberals and other blacks running the show, blacks are still expelled/suspended more frequently simply because they commit more violations.
Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime. It starts in their early years and continues on to their adult life.

5. Black neighborhoods are far more crime ridden than any other place in the USA.
Crime is an inverse of general IQ test results.
Blacks have the lowest IQ of any major race in the USA. Blacks commit the most crime of any major race in the USA.

CMY   Fri, 19 Jul 2013, 6:44pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (1)     Comment 3

As a white dude who grew up around every conceivable race I'm just REALLY tired of being the bad guy. My culture just doesn't encourage being a victim.

Clarence 13X   Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 5:12pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 4

wthrfrk80 says

There's no question blacks were the most oppressed in America, historically.

Are they still actively oppressed? Or is a lot of the poverty just "inertia"?

I really don't know, I'm just an average "white guy."

The minds of the people have not caught up with the times. Many still believe in the methods of the 60s revolution, when in fact, all they need to do is seek opportunities. During the 60s the people turned their backs on white America as had been done to them for 400 years. what you describe is a defensive mechanism....unfortunately, all youth are now following this same approach. IE Hip Hop Thug Nation Being white or black has nothing to do with it...its all about the impoverished thoughts that come with being poor and not knowing opportunity is right around the corner.

Patrick   Wed, 25 Apr 2012, 12:07pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 5

Someone objected that of course blacks murder whites at twice the rate than whites murder blacks, simply because there are many more whites around to get murdered.

Now it occurs to me that if that were valid, it would also be true that most murders of blacks would be by whites, again because again there are so many more whites around to be murderers.

But most murders of blacks are by other blacks. So it seems that blacks are statistically much more violent than whites, and it is in fact rational to be much more afraid of blacks. On average.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   Sun, 23 Sep 2012, 10:17am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 6


Don't you understand?

Most of these traffic deaths are caused by black people driving their cars into crowds of white people, all of whom have been programmed by Obama to kill non-Islamics in the name of Allah.

zeigs23   Thu, 20 Dec 2012, 5:04pm PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 7

It's all about culture. Race is correlated with culture, but it is not causally related. Because race is correlated with culture, and more so in times past with greater geographic isolation, racial appearance was once a reasonably good predictor of cultural affiliation. This is no longer true, clothing is better. Being wary of another's culture is justified and reasonable. Culture is a form of man-made and self-induced reality programing that can and does directly influence our behavior. Hence, we all are, and should be, concerned about the relative health of our various cultural ideologies. Race has simply gotten erroneously thrown into the middle of this challenge due to the age old common sense error of inferring causation from correlational evidence.

curious2   Mon, 18 Feb 2013, 4:36am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 8

The issue with these statistics is they show correlation but the question remains causation. The #1 driver of gun violence is the drug war. ATF gunwalking into Mexico resulted in a huge increase in gun violence there, part of a drug war that has killed more than 50,000 people, mostly Latino. They did not change color, they merely changed behavior: they had a drug war with a huge arsenal over smuggling profits.

The median likelihood of one person shooting another is near zero regardless of color. If you put the median likelihood black person in a room with the median likelihood white person, even if the room was chock full of guns and ammunition, neither would shoot the other. If they had to stay for a whole day, they might share a pizza.

That's why politicians claiming to care about reducing gun violence, by imposing gun control while continuing the drug war, is so obviously a farce. The gun violence occurs largely among illegal drug gangs, who are by definition breaking the law already. In the US, illegal drug gangs are disproportionately black, so gun violence is also. It would be very interesting to compare gun violence statistics by race today with statistics from the prohibition era - I suspect they would look quite different.

zzyzzx   Mon, 18 Feb 2013, 10:03am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (2)     Comment 9

CL says

How many millionaire African-Americans have murdered a poor white person

CL   Tue, 19 Feb 2013, 3:44am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 10

FortWayne says

MLK was a victim, you are not a victim get over yourself.

You missed the point. You're acting like the last crime of murder or oppression based on ethnicity happened during the civil war. That's patently false.

Society is unjust. It is moreso unjust if you're black and in America.

Why is black infant mortality higher in America than in Cuba? Why is black literacy higher in Cuba than America? Why is the rate of incarceration so high here for the black population?

Clearly, there is something in our system that makes it so. Denial of that fact, I'd say, typically means that the denier simply wants to ignore it, perhaps to make themselves feel better.

Are employers color-blind? Or are there preferences in hiring whites over blacks? Why were Asians, Irish and Italians tasked with manual labor, if they were hired at all? Does your ethnicity affect the jobs you are allowed to take? And do the jobs you take affect your health, wealth and class?

C'mon guys. This isn't anything shocking...These are things to fix, not "get over".

CL   Thu, 21 Feb 2013, 1:46am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 11

To summarize the seemingly consensus view here:

1) We (regardless of ethnicity) are right to fear blacks if they are walking towards us in a dark alley, since they are much more likely to murder us than a Caucasian

2) Yet when a black person applies for a job, the same fear does not prevent their being hired.

They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and those who care should never try to help by affording them jobs, education or opportunities beyond what the society offers the white community by default.

White people deserve the benefit of the doubt, whereas a black or Latino deserves the doubt.

Is that about right?

CaptainShuddup   Thu, 21 Feb 2013, 2:58am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)     Comment 12

In south Florida there would be no problem for an elderly Jewish person to say that they don't want a shikse or a schwartza working on them.
NONE it would be a non issue, and if you dared make it one, then you're antisemitic.

Rew   Thu, 21 Feb 2013, 4:16am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 13

FortWayne says

You just sound like a person who blames others for personal failures.

Our government for a while made it easy to just claim to be a victim of society and you got paid, got tangible benefits, and quickly many folks jumped onto the train.

I guess seeing folks with a mindset like yours, victim mentality, I don't see that changing any time soon.

What? I see nothing in the above that is laying blame for a personal failing.

A disadvantaged child, growing up in a drug addicted home, and in poverty has the same chance in america as a child growing up in a wealthy household in Cupertino? Is this your claim?

Affirmative Action works by you claiming you are a victim? Is that how it goes? I challenge you to walk up to 100 people of your choice and ask them if they see themselves as a victim. If the answer yes, ask them what of? Ridiculous. Very few people label themselves as victims.

Affirmative action is a very imperfect way of trying to correct damage done to minorities and women in America's history. There is lots not to like about it, and there are some things which ARE actually needed/good.

The manner in which this can be done without detracting from someone's rightful achievement, or taking away from someone who has earned something, is troubling ... but I don't see a better solution.

What's your solution? Sounds to me like you think we have enough equality now in America to just let things sort themselves out. Demographics would show you are wrong.

Question: Do you think women in the muslim world would benefit from something like Affirmative Action? (and I am using muslim women here to represent a clearly discriminated against social group ... could as easily just be a minority, but this is a great example. Your answer to this question would tell you/me whether it is just Affirmative Action you have a problem with, or its use in America today.)

There will always be some who mooch off of social programs. Does that mean we should have nothing because a few will cheat? I don't like it any more than you do, I really don't, but the slight cost at those who will milk it is far less than the benefit social programs/"entitlements" have.

Again, your argument seems to go straight to : "dog eat dog world, no government needed, load 'em up and keep one in the chamber."

That's in no way shape or form the vision of America, or an America I want to live in. There is a balance here between personal responsibility and us helping those in society who need it.

CL   Thu, 21 Feb 2013, 9:25am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 14

FortWayne says

Asians don't live drowning themselves in victim mentality, hence they do well in the "land of the free".

And are overwhelmingly Democratic voters, like all minorities who I guess just don't know that there's no race problem in America, and in the GOP in particular.

Moderate Infidel   Mon, 15 Jul 2013, 7:16am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 15

Call it Crazy says

Moderate Infidel says

Maybe blacks just have better aim than whites.

You might have something there.... In Chicago, the blacks get a lot of practice on moving targets...

But they have strict gun control in Chicago so it must be crime free.

Bap33   Wed, 17 Jul 2013, 9:11am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 16

Profiling results in survival. I am pro-profiling. As a matter of fact, I am a pro-pro-profiler.

CL   Tue, 17 Apr 2012, 4:09am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 17

housingcasino4865 says

And the liberal politicians encourage dependency and are more genocidal than the KKK ever was: look up "family planning."

Look up, "How unwanted pregnancies hold you down and ruin your dreams".

Also, look up how the biggest proponents of family planning were once Republicans, including the Bush family's support of Planned Parenthood.

Clarence 13X   Mon, 23 Apr 2012, 5:14pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 18

wthrfrk80 says

housingcasino4865 says

Blacks aren't into science or engineering because they're too busy being gangsta's thanks to social programming (aka, the media). Why be an engineer? That's not "coo," be a gang banger instead.

It's happening to white kids too. Example: Eminem and Insane Clown Posse.

You are both right, color is not a factor here though. Social and economic status are the culprit....along with piss poor parenting. I wouldnt want my daughter associating with EMINEM, KID ROCK, WILLIE NELSON, TED NUGENT or SNOOP DOGG. They are all miscrients, unfit for a society based on decency.

Clarence 13X   Tue, 24 Apr 2012, 3:46am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 19

leoj707 says

That is a pretty wide net you are throwing. It is starting make you sound like the movie bad guy who bans dancing in the town.

Would you prefer a gentleman or a miscrient to be your husband? I am anti-lowlife regardless of the color of the persons skin. My kids and family are good, fun loving people....just like the GAP commercials. We aspire to live a righteous life...not as bandits and unkept low lifes. People should aspire to do better in life not espouse stupidity simply because they love tattoos, long hair and freedom of personal choice.

There comes a responsibility with all those freedoms...especially if you choose to follow the wrong cultures.

Peter P   Fri, 21 Dec 2012, 2:21am PST   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 20

While I think statistics are mostly lies, political correctness is a lie laced with poison.

People should not be forced to look tolerant. People should not even try to be tolerant. They should know that differences drive real progress and differences make life interesting. They should embrace differences.

Then we can be true to ourselves and accept consequences of such differences. We must not reject data or reason simply because they are politically incorrect.

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