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  1. David Losh


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    27   8:22pm Mon 5 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    War says

    We build in all 48 states for half that amount, with profit

    OK, I may be including land cost in that.

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    War says

    You're including more than land "in that".

    You're really going to have to help me with that because there are the materials, and labor at $80 per square foot.

    Those materials include needed appliances, ducting, electrical, and plumbing. How's this working out?

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    29   6:28am Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    who needs plumbing, electric and duct work?

    Build now like the amish for 60% less

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    30   8:29am Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    Oh yea? You're wrong. Dead wrong.

    I'm just saying that to build there are costs. I'm asking you how you get a profit from $80 a sq ft.

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    31   8:33am Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)  

    LiarWatch says

    David Losh says

    I'm just saying

    You're saying alot of things you know nothing about.

    The one thing you're an expert on.

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    32   8:34am Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    Speaking of misrepresenting the truth....

    Bigsby,

    Did the truth hurt?

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    33   8:41am Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Still deleting your posts I see. Nothing changes as far as you're concerned. Anyway, how's the job search going? Are your parent's not getting impatient for you to move out by now? I think they want their basement back.

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    34   10:59am Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    Speaking of misrepresenting the truth....

    For God sakes iwog/bigsby, see my avatar to the left? READ IT! GET HONEST with the public!

    Just saying "Stop lying" or "Get honest" over and over doesn't help anything.

    Please don't do that.

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    35   11:02am Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    War says

    Well, yes it is. We build in all 48 states for half that amount, with profit.

    LiarWatch says

    You're saying alot of things you know nothing about.

    OK, help me out with this then, how do you build in all 48 States at $80 per sq ft, and get a profit.

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    36   4:14pm Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    War says

    WTF are you talking about "how"?

    It's your claim. How do you build a house for $80 a sq ft with a profit?

    What's the material, and labor cost you are using?

    My basic back of the envelop calculation puts 2000 sq ft at $67 per sq ft, for basics. There isn't a lot of wiggle room in that, let alone great salability.

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    38   4:22pm Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    War says

    Patrick says

    Just saying "Stop lying" or "Get honest" over and over doesn't help anything.

    Please don't do that.

    Look Patrick, If we're not going to be truthful, what is the point? Why do you allow your forum to be trolled and subverted with lies and misrepresentations?

    If someone is not being truthful, see if you can prove it. That would be more useful.

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    40   5:09pm Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Follow the data as it evolves. Look for new and interesting charts.

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    41   5:10pm Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    War says

    You're going bid work based on someones webpage

    No, because it shows my zip code at $117 per square foot, and I already said it's closer to $125. I threw in the bone that the price may include land cost, but the cheapest I can get, just for construction, is $67 per square foot.

    So, it's your claim of $80 per square foot in all 48 States, or the other guy? I can't keep track.

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    42   7:25pm Tue 6 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    War says

    Well, yes it is. We build in all 48 states for half that amount, with profit.

    You're claiming.

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    War says

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    Well, no it's not. Depending on size, even in that day it was hard to hit $125K per sq ft.

    Well, yes it is. We build in all 48 states for half that amount, with profit.

    War says

    Don't just run off and say "I can't do it".

    You made the claim, I responded to you, then you turned that around.

    All I said is I bought a house.

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    War says

    You said $150/sq ft for a used up house is a "deal". You're wrong.

    In our market place, at the time it was, I paid less, $88 per sq, if your must, and the house isn't used up.

    It has a ton of concrete, a steel beam down the center, 10 ft ceilings in the lower level, a shop space, mahogany siding, yeah, I said mahogany. The guy was a cabinet maker by trade, and he had all the bells, and whistles, including a Square D service panel with heavey gauge copper, all copper plumbing, and new supply, and sanitary lines in 1998.

    Now, you are the one who has been making claims, on other threads, including this one. I got twice the house for what you build today.

    Our construction date was 1957, the Cadillac year of construction.

    Hey, BTW, if you were expecting me to be some dumb schmuck new to the internet crazies, you're going to be disappointed.

    Now how do you build in all 48 States at $80 per sq, and make a profit? I'm calling you out.

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    45   7:37am Thu 8 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    We don't. We build for far less.

    Explain that to me. It's a constant claim without any substance.

    Are you really building a concrete, and steel structure for $88 per square foot?

    Come on, fess up, you are just trolling.

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    46   8:22pm Thu 8 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    Building and constructing is obviously not your stock in trade.

    So, we are in another he said she said moment. Best of luck, but stop lying.

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    47   7:30am Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    I build for a living

    Like I said, we are in a he said she said moment.

    Stop lying.

    If you were a builder you'd have files that show construction costs, on average in all of those 48 States. This should be simple for you.

    I came up with $67 a sq ft, for a box, so I'd like to here about your Habitat for Humanity projects.

    Now, you have a point, but you aren't presenting it well. The cost of construction is way down, but builders are charging the same premium prices for crap. You are correct that these are depreciating assets. People who buy crap shacks are stuck for as long as they keep paying on those loans.

    Unfortunately the banking system responded with historically low interest rates so the homies can keep paying interest, or rent the place out for the payment if they get stuck.

    It's a win/win for the bank.

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    48   9:31am Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    David, I recommend the "ignore" link.

    LiarWatch just can't resist insulting and baiting people.

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    49   9:34am Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    You're a liar. And a realtor.

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    50   9:43am Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I think he was imitating you.

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    51   10:17am Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    War says

    $67/sq ft is quite profitable. At your expense of course.

    OK, this may be a bad idea on my part, but War (and or LiarWatch) if these numbers are correct, I have a client who would be very interested contacting you to see if you and build a place for him.

    If you really are in 48 states, is there a website/phone # where he can contact one of your people who works in Northern Virginia or Southern Maryland?

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    52   2:18pm Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    SHOW us your bid estimate. NOW.

    Man, it's your claim, I actually went along with it, but you just couldn't see that.

    I am a Master Baiter on internet blogs, but you've been had.

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    53   2:19pm Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    CDon says

    is there a website/phone #

    Can you share that when you get ti?

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    54   2:21pm Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Patrick says

    David, I recommend the "ignore" link.

    It doesn't bother me. I would like to see this person come across with actual information.

    Like I said, he has a point to make, he just doesn't seem to have the ability to articulate that.

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    55   3:24pm Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    Sure it does. You wouldn't be saying so if it didn't.

    I warned you.

    Builders always think they are entitled to a profit from the crap they dump onto a property.

    It's what's wrong with America, and ther world today.

    A lot of people blame banks, or mortgages, or the buyer, but the truth is the building industry, particularly the Master Builders Association (do you see the tie in there?) have forced codes to be the very least they can be while keeping the pricing the same.

    Metal straps for earthquaking really got to be the biggest scam in the industry until "Green Building" came along.

    No, I work for a living and have since I was fifteen. I worked in the trades until 1980 when I opened a new comapny to "fix" new construction. We did everything from the sheet rock out, but had to, had to, be involved from the foundation to framing because builders have budgets, and dead lines to meet.

    Builders don't care who gets hurt. Builders only scam as much as they can from the public then move on to the next State to take a dump over there.

    Hey! Are you that guy from Texas that we refused to work for because your product was so bad that it couldn't be repaired?

    Don't even get me started on land use, because builders were crying they just couldn't make a profit without building in swamp land.

    So sure you get your profit, and the global economy gets screwed.

    BTW, for your $80 a sq ft do you use a lot of mahogany for siding? Do you really build with concrete, and steel with mahogany siding?

    I got a good deal, I always get a good deal, but I would never buy new.

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    56   5:48pm Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    You paid an inflated price for a rapidly depreciating used up house.

    Oh good, you're back. Sorry, I had to go do some work.

    No, I actually bought below market, and got a steal of a deal from an investor builder who built to the East of me.

    My property value went up, his went down.

    That is why people hire Real Estate agents like me. I know property values.

    You, on the other hand have made the claim to be a builder. You offer nothing but repeated comments, but I take your word for it.

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    LiarWatch says

    And we'll continue undercutting resale housing.

    No you won't, you never have.

    Building became a lost art when the architects, and bean counters took over in 1986.

    You don't build value, and never will.

    You will be under cut by bigger builders, and that is why I use the term housing units rather than Real Estate or property.

    Even the lots that get built on lose value when they get covered with a pile of sticks.

    This is why Municipalities are being forced to allow double wides. At least a double wide has wheels to move it off the lot when it's used up.

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    58   9:06pm Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    Quit pretending and DEMONSTRATE your contracting and construction management expertise.

    Let me say this again. You keep making claims. You have never presented any facts, or figures, but you continue to make comments.

    You make the claims, I'm asking you how you can build for less than $80 a sq ft, and make a profit.

    I know you can, I already threw you that bone, but building stuff cheap doesn't translate into value.

    The resale market is a mine field, but tried, and true. New construction is the real crap shoot, isn't it?

    You need to demonstrate something. I've gifted plenty of information, you just don't have any response.

    You're in a classic ametuer internet troll position with no way out.

    LMAO?

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    59   9:07pm Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I've got to go back to work now, OK?

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    LiarWatch says

    You keep claiming to know construction managment and estimating yet you can't provide a simple bid estimate.

    Show me where I made that claim.

    It's typical ametuer troll crap when you try to turn an assertion around on the other person.

    The baggage is yours. You're claiming to be a new construction pimp.

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    61   2:33pm Sat 10 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    LiarWatch says

    You're throwing price per square foot prices around.

    You threw around the price per square foot claim.

    Like I said, it's too bad no one will listen to you. You do have a good message, but your presentation is lacking.

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    62   2:37pm Sat 10 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Did you say there is an ignore feature? Does it scrub all comments on all threads?

    Because there is a lot of troll baiting that does get responses from people foolish enough to engage this person, so I'd like to see what's being said.

    My second question is if this person is a paid blogger for trolling purposes.

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    David Losh says

    Did you say there is an ignore feature? Does it scrub all comments on all threads?

    Yes, to the left of every comment there is "Befriend or Ignore". Befriend is a premium feature (lets you exchange real email address) but Ignore is free.

    Ignore just blocks all comments by that user on all threads from being visible to you. It has no effect on what other people see.

    Hard to tell if anyone is a paid troll.

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    [b]Ion Nemerenco[/b]
    Unless you're a freegan and have found a way to live entirely off the grid, you probably need some sort of steady income in order to survive. The traditional way to earn money, of course, is by having a job. You work for a company or start your own, and the work you do earns you money, which you spend on things like a mortgage, rent, food, clothing, utilities and entertainment.
    Most people typically work from their company's central location, a physical space where everyone from that organization gathers to exchange ideas and organize their efforts.
    But a few lucky souls have found ways to make money within the comfort of their own home. With the Internet, an ever-changing arena for businesses, some people looking to earn money are finding ways to do so. Some forms are best for part-time endeavors for those looking to make a little extra money on the side, while others can lead to full-time jobs and Internet success stories.
    Ion Nemerenco put together a list of our top 10 ways to make money on the Internet, in no particular order. On the next page, we'll start with an old favorite.

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    GREAT!

    WHERE DO I MAIL MY MONEY TO??

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    Everything you say sounds great!
    Unfortunately, however, your HTML skills reveal your incompetence.
    How can I trust what you or your company say, if you cannot even get a simple 'bold' command straight?
    This indicates you either:
    a- have not proofread your post, in which case I must assume you are lazy and have not really researched the positions you put forth, or
    b- you have proofread your post, in which case I must assume you are lazy, since you failed to take the time to correct your mistakes. How much of this laziness has poisoned the position you put forth, I don't know. I do know that it's not worth my time or risk to find out.
    IonNemerenco says

    [b]Ion Nemerenco[/b]

    Unless you're a freegan and have found a way to live entirely off the grid, you probably need some sort of steady income in order to survive.

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