WatchI've stayed mostly quiet on this issue because I'm not a big believer in racism. Human beings are genetically predisposed to avoid strangers, and one of the criteria is race and species. Both blacks and whites and others have numerous reasons to be pissed off at each other, and it's best not to fan the flames by pretending it's anything more than it is. Both blacks and whites on the left are often too hysterical about racial issues, and most people on the right can't get through the day without bleating "RACE CARD!".
However this publication by the well known neoconservative slime machine National Review editor John Derbyshire is about to change my mind. John Derbyshire isn't some KKK jerk in the shadows and the National Review isn't some rogue fringe website. In fact National Review articles are directly wired into Newscrap and frequently quoted without editing.
I just have one editorial comment myself: Republicans, get your fucking people in line before you incite a genuine race war! You mouth-breathing zombie pricks have no excuses this time. The next Republican jackoff that defends the right against charges of racism should go soak his head in the toilet.
Here's the link. You may have trouble pulling it up because "firestorm" doesn't quite cover it and the servers are crashing:
http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire
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(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.
(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).
(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.
(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.
(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.
(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.
(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.
(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.
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Honest Abe says
I'm glad you're admitting to be shamelessly racist. Honesty is the best policy.
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Honest Abe says
I've refuted this 100 times and I'll refute it 100 more because people like you don't listen. Ever.
When you remove government, you don't replace it with freedom. You replace it with aristocracy and the tyranny of wealth. Government stands between you and people who would make you a slave. That is its primary purpose. You spit in the faces of the founding fathers who knew who the enemy was. You're a disgrace to your country and your heritage.
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If government isn't the solution to America's problems, how did slavery end? How did women get the right to own property? How did we pull children out of coal mines? Why are there seat belts in cars? Why do children no longer die from expired milk? How come we haven't destroyed all our forests like Great Britain did?
Corporations are almost always on the wrong side of history. Government for all its flaws is almost always on the right side of history. You don't have the fucking option to replace government with NOTHING. Someone is going to fill the vacuum, and that someone is going to want you starving so you'll work for almost nothing.
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Watch what you say about Corporations like me. My hired staff of ex-Blackwater rapists are prone to being trigger happy. I don't want to be forced to have my men Stand Their Ground.
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msilenus says
You're going to compare the Zimmerman edit, which may have been a mistake for time or may not have been, with Derbyshire condemning the entire black race?
Really????
Neoconservatives will try to make Derbyshire look like a rogue element in an otherwise pure movement. It will be complete bullshit but they will try.
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msilenus says
Figures. You'd ask me a question you refused to answer yourself namely why it's appropriate to compare those two cases.
I already answered you in part. One was probably a mistake OR an attempt to over-sensationalize the story for media consumption. The other is a hate filled rant condemning an entire race.
They are different at every level. One is a personal drama involving two men. The other has broad implications for millions of people belonging to the African race. One may or may not attempt to label a single individual as a racist, the other is without any doubt an attempt to condemn all blacks in every situation.
So what's your side? You didn't present a side so we don't know, you just said they were the same. Furthermore you made this insane childish assertion:
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I am not a member of the American fascist movement. I am not a brainwashed robot programmed by Newscorp. I HAVE the ability to think for myself, answer questions, and make intelligent arguments. Marcus and Thunder have done the same.
There is no parity between the right and the left. I often say right-wingers can't answer my questions, which is probably why you decided to mock me, however when I say it I'm telling the truth. You're not. I suggest you absorb this lesson and ask yourself why that's the case.
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mdovell says
Seatbelts exist in cars because they were mandated by the government. In this case, automobile producers fought the regulations because they didn't want their cars to be considered unsafe. In all my other examples, it was government forcing corporations to do the right thing, in many cases with violent opposition.
Government is the only tool people have against wealth. Destroying it is destroying the ability of people to reign in power. Republicans have no intention of removing government and leaving a vacuum. They have people waiting in the wings that are all too ready to restrict freedom in lots of creative ways.
Company housing, company stores, 80 hour work weeks, pollution, toxic working conditions, unsafe products, and forced mediation with a 99% success rate for the corporation in any dispute. That's what you're voting for when you vote Republican.
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marcus says
The only thing championed by Ralph Nader was Ralph Nader. He was a self promoting egotist who hated all corporations and wanted to exert control any way he could.
Case in point, "Unsafe at any Speed" vilifying the corvair. His contention was that swing arm rear suspension was a dangerous design, which was not true anyway. Yet Nader never mentioned VW, porsche, and mercedes cars which had exactly the same design as the corvair and sold a lot more cars worldwide. The only point of the book was to discredit GM, not anything to do with safety. I remember in the early 70's NHTSA did extensive track testing on corvairs comparing them to other cars of the early 60's and found no problems at all.
FYI ford and I think hudson and saab offered seat belts in the 50's.
A man named Dr. Sheldon was also very important in the history of seat belts while ralph nader was still in grade school. He did serious research on seat belts and auto safety that was very influential. He pretty much invented the retractable seat belt.
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I'll add that NBC is more credible than NR. And Fox News. And many other right-wing peddlers of sophistic narrative. That credibility gap stems from the sophistic narrative peddling.
NBC handled their little scandal correctly, and so did NR. They both made it perfectly clear that they do not tolerate the bullshit at hand. As it should be. And that should be the end of that.
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Magna Carta, end of slavery, practically everything done under FDR, Teddy Roosevelt's crusade against trusts, progressive taxation.
Are you kidding me?
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I'm speechless and really wish I hadn't read that. What an ignorant fucking asshole.
It's ironic how talking about "the talk" and the very real racism that exists could trigger this kind of thing.
Sad to say but I think it could be politics. Obama's advantage is that to many of us his race is incidental, and not something we think about often. The right would love it if he was in a position where he had to get into the middle of racial ugliness, asserting himself in ways that allows them to pander to peoples fears and prejudices.
Note the comments from Newt and others (on this site) about how terrible it was that Obama said "if I had a son he would look like Trayvon"
Wtf ? Overreaction to anyone asserting the fact that how he looked may well have been a factor in his being killed. What's that about anyway ?
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What, he was offended when he learned about "the talk ?"
At least they fired him quickly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/07/national-review-fires-john-derbyshire_n_1410273.html?1333840125&ref=media
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marcus says
Yes they had no choice, but it still leaves a genuine hardcore racist publishing tainted material for the National Review for years.
Millions of earnest denials from the right all gone in a puff of smoke. It's impossible for a Republican to ever claim "We're not racist" again. John Derbyshire was a heavy advocate for the Tea Party too.
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http://www.thenation.com/blog/167276/john-derbyshire-national-review-and-conservatives-race-problem
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Not all conservatives are racist, but if you're racist you're probably a conservative.
(yes, there are racist liberals, too, but they're the exception that proves the rule).
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Honest Abe says
You didn't ask a question. You said a rhetorical "choose one". How can I chicken out of answering something you didn't even ask? Is your life so devoid of success that you've got to invent one?
I would choose personal safety over political correctness. So would pretty much everyone. The problem is we're not talking about that are we.
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I always prove you wrong other than when you prove yourself wrong.
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Honest Abe says
I disparaged John Derbyshire for being a racist prick, inspiring fear and hatred of blacks, and publishing something that will make everything he's afraid of far worse. If he doesn't want to walk around in poor black neighborhoods, then maybe he'd be more comfortable in poor Hispanic neighborhoods or poor white neighborhoods. No? Then why would he incite a race war by signaling out blacks?
Besides none of that was my main point. My main point is that you and your friends who post on this board defended the Republican party and the Republican media against charges of being racist.
Boy I bet you feel stupid now!
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No he doesn't. But his comments say everything that needs to be said.
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I understand Abe's need to defend his team, even if all he has is emotion and bluster. Our founding fathers were in a different time but Iwog's right and at least he makes a very clear argument.
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It's about balance and no matter how imbalanced it get's Abe's type will always argue for it to be more so.
Privatized prisons. Fully privatized health care, except medicare - but they want to privatize that. Privatized miltary. Privatized schools.
We have a system where privately owned prisons lobby against relaxation of drug laws. That's just one glaring example of how messed up our system is.
http://www.fareedzakaria.com/home/Articles/Entries/2012/3/25_Incarceration_Nation.html
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There won't be any race riots, you already know that. After President Johnson saw them that hot summer he cranked up the "war on poverty" and everything else to keep people quiet.
No thinking person will want to sacrifice their being caught in the streets and failing a drug test thereby risk losing some benefits.
If you dislike something some nobody wrote somewhere, write an editorial back.