Those "Chain-Link & Rottweiler" Neighborhoods...


By freak80   Follow   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 8:43am   6,929 views   42 comments
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Anyone here on Patnet know what kind of neighborhoods I'm talking about?

How much would you pay to live in such an area? By the looks of the Bay Area RE market, that's the only kind of place in which middle-class family could afford to live.

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  1. APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch


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    3   10:27am Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike  

    Good training for the impending cannibal anarchy. Buy cash. Put a sniper nest on the roof. Plant potatoes. Life is good.

  2. freak80


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    4   10:29am Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Good idea! Use the hub caps as targets.

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    5   10:36am Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    wthrfrk80 says

    that's the only kind of place in which middle-class family could afford to live.

    That tears it....I'm just going to be rich then.

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    wthrfrk80 says

    Are there "Beware of Dog" signs and old hub caps on the chain-link fences?

    There might be, for about 15 minutes until they are stolen & sold for crack money or put onto someone's 1987 Buick.

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    7   11:07am Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Less than 40k. I'd probably be fine with it, it's just the wife nagging about the neighborhood that wouldn't be worth it.

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    8   11:26am Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    StoutFiles says

    it's just the wife nagging about the neighborhood that wouldn't be worth it.

    what's not worth it? The neighborhood or the nagging wife?

  7. freak80


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    9   11:29am Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Here's a place near Corning, NY for 45k:

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    10   12:55pm Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Don't forget all of those nice places on the high desert north of Los Angeles near Victorville.

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    wthrfrk80 says

    Don't forget all of those nice places on the high desert north of Los Angeles near Victorville.

    You know, I was recently riving through there on my way back from a climbing trip in Joshua Tree. The place has a certain unique beauty to it, and the ruggedness is almost surreal in some ways. The wind storms are also nothing to be trifled with. Still, as I was driving on highway 247, I just remember thinking that it was one place I was not ever really going to want to move to. I usually give most places the benefit of the doubt, but I found myself struggling there.

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    12   1:16pm Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Guess it all depends on perspective. I grew up in what would be characterized as " Redneck land". It was routine for people to get drunk and drag race down the street at 3 AM. I'd say about half of those who lived around us had failed to complete high school. Almost all of them were extremely conservative and lacked much if any knowledge of the world outside their community. Our house got broken into several times and on occasion things woul disappear from Dad's shop. Even though my parents have lived there for over 40 years, they're still considered " Newcomers". I could go on and on and on.

    But come to think of it, I never really thought about it growing up. I remember thinking how sorry I was that all those 'poor' people who lived in the suburbs had only tiny little yards and they could see their neighbor's houses. A lot of them had the same attitude that people have around here about the 'hood'. I've been on a few forums where people talk about relocating and they are scared about the rural areas. To me its how I grew up and I later adapated to living in the Bay Area and in the end, I'm not sure if living here is any better given the extreme costs and difficulty in general just to have what people back home could afford working a working class job.

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    edvard2 says

    Guess it all depends on perspective. I grew up in what would be characterized as " Redneck land".

    And you're now in the Bay Area? Wow that had to be some serious culture shock!

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    edvard2 says

    I'm not sure if living here is any better given the extreme costs and difficulty in general just to have what people back home could afford working a working class job.

    I'm not so sure either. This place has made RE as artificially overpriced as possible. Whats the point of paying half your pay to rent or mortgage.

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    wthrfrk80 says

    And you're now in the Bay Area? Wow that had to be some serious culture shock!

    Actually it wasn't that bad. In the BA I feel that people are a little more laid-back and easy going, which is in some ways how people are back where I came from. I also came from a somewhat liberal family so I fit in fine here. My biggest gripe continues to be the cost of living- which I think is for most people the single biggest issue here.

    That said, the high cost of living I think in many ways caused me to bust my ass for years to save up money. You have to. So in that regard its been good for me.

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    16   2:52pm Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Well this article some of us read from patnet surely includes a few neighborhoods as described.

    http://www.zillow.com/blog/2012-03-29/homes-for-the-price-of-a-car/

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    17   3:59pm Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Hey, I resemble that remark.

    Having a rottie is a big reason to become a home owner. Most landlords won't rent to tenants with dogs, and if your dog is a rottweiler or a pitbull, fuggedaboutit.

    When we quit being renters, we're getting another rottie.

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    1sfrenter says

    Hey, I resemble that remark.

    You look like a group of words typed on a computer screen?? ;)

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    1sfrenter says

    Hey, I resemble that remark.

    Having a rottie is a big reason to become a home owner. Most landlords won't rent to tenants with dogs, and if your dog is a rottweiler or a pitbull, fuggedaboutit.

    When we quit being renters, we're getting another rottie.

    my homeowner's insurance won't allow me to have a rottweiler, pitbull or german shepherd. seriously.

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    20   11:42pm Wed 11 Apr 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    EEk I didn't think German Shephards were included in the bad dog list?

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    Be better than living in some places in the Midwest where that kinda area would also get you a meth lab as a neighbor.

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    bmwman91 says

    Don't forget all of those nice places on the high desert north of Los Angeles near Victorville.

    You know, I was recently riving through there on my way back from a climbing trip in Joshua Tree. The place has a certain unique beauty to it, and the ruggedness is almost surreal in some ways. The wind storms are also nothing to be trifled with. Still, as I was driving on highway 247, I just remember thinking that it was one place I was not ever really going to want to move to. I usually give most places the benefit of the doubt, but I found myself struggling there.

    Joshua Tree is beautiful, and something of an outpost for serious artists (and serious climbers aka dirtbags) who've been driven out of the city by all the boring wannabe yuppies. Parts of Joshua Tree and Yucca Valley are a little dicey, but I have good feelings about this area going forward. It does, however, sit directly on a fault line. Not so cool. Victorville is some 60 miles north from Joshua Tree and Yucca Valley but a veritable world apart from either of those places.

    http://exiledonline.com/desert-dispatch-meth-morons-and-murder-in-victorville/all/1/

    BTW here in Austin, scrunched in-between the dumpy chain link/BoD houses, you'll very often find some pretentious neo-moderne McMansion listed for between $300-400 per sq ft. Location location location!!!

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    Ever see the movie "Vegas Vacation" by National Lampoon? Remember the part where Uncle Eddie is shown living with the family in a trailer out in the desert?

    That was my impression of the western outskirts of Victorville.

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    Seriously, what good is a home where you can't go out after dark? Or, leave it unguarded to work, shop, or do anything? Or, worry the wife is some meth heads idea of a fun couple of hours before they chop her up in the tub? A daily read of the news will dial you into these realities - but if you need more, just visit one of those hoods some evening and hang out for a tad ... good luck brau - bring the Rott & a 9mm.

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    The ave joe should be moving into these neighborhoods because that is where he belongs. when decent working people start moving back into neighborhoods they can afford those neighborhoods will get better. The fundemental problem in housing besides financing is that most people don't want to accept they belong on the other side of the train tracks. Credit allows us to make believe for a while. We choose vanity over long term security for ourselves and family. We all can't afford to live in rich neighborhoods, drive luxury cars and send our kids to private schools. That used to be acceptable.

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    wthrfrk80 says

    edvard2 says

    Guess it all depends on perspective. I grew up in what would be characterized as " Redneck land".

    And you're now in the Bay Area? Wow that had to be some serious culture shock!

    I've seen you I think. Corn cob pipe, no teeth and overalls? Also, where did you learn to write so purty? Rosetta Stone? :)

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    I read a book called "Arrested: What to Do When Your Loved One's in Jail" which suggested that the general cure for bad neighborhoods and the specific cure for bad young men is the US Marine Corps.

    The author claimed that being in the marines was exactly the sort of discipline young wayward men need, and that they come to identify with the marines and become model citizens when they move back home.

    He says that when you see someone put up a flagpole with the USMC flag on it, that's a sign that the neighborhood is about to improve.

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    Patrick says

    He says that when you see someone put up a flagpole with the USMC flag on it, that's a sign that the neighborhood is about to improve.

    Better yet, when the gays and lesbians start hanging the rainbow flag in your nabe, you know gentrification is coming.

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    Gentrification makes neighborhoods safer by eliminating low-cost housing, which forces out poor renters. So it's a bad thing from the perspective of poor renters, though it does increase property values for poor owners.

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    Patrick says

    The author claimed that being in the marines was exactly the sort of discipline young wayward men need, and that they come to identify with the marines and become model citizens when they move back home.

    I knew several "bad kids" from high school who went to the Marines and came out totally changed. For the better, in my view. I guess that makes me a right wing wacko...

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    elliemae says

    my homeowner's insurance won't allow me to have a rottweiler, pitbull or german shepherd. seriously.

    So how do they check the breed of your dog when you apply for homeowner's insurance?

    If we get stuck and have to move out of our rental and rent another place, I think we would have to spray paint our rottie so she is all black. Voila - a lab!

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    I'd say the marines is a good choice for bad kids about 70% of the time. The other 30% of the time you send in a dirt bag and get back a dirt bag with advanced weapons training and a grasp of tactics.

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    Patrick says

    forces out poor renters

    Why we are leaving our neighborhood. It is now the new Noe Valley. Blech.

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    sfbubblebuyer says

    The other 30% of the time you send in a dirt bag and get back a dirt bag with advanced weapons training and a grasp of tactics.

    Yikes. Good point.

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    sfbubblebuyer says

    I'd say the marines is a good choice for bad kids about 70% of the time. The other 30% of the time you send in a dirt bag and get back a dirt bag with advanced weapons training and a grasp of tactics.

    Nah, join the Navy. You can learn more skills there (or so I hear).

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    bdrasin says

    Nah, join the Navy. You can learn more skills there (or so I hear).

    I...just...can't...resist...posting...this...

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    Not to be a party pooper, but here's a nice young man who went off to college and returned to the hood, trying to pioneer a life there:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0411-inglewood-20120411,0,4023027,full.story
    Heartbreaking.

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    lostand confused says

    EEk I didn't think German Shephards were included in the bad dog list?

    This guy is on the banned list at many properties. I couldn't believe dals were considered unruly :). So, we are now paying a premium to rent an apartment in San Ramon. This place has more pit-mixes than any other breed. This is apparently where all the banned dogs go to live, but at an unbelievable rent.

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    Gentrification is absolutely going on in downtown phx area, especially the 'capital mall' district...

    Seems like we're back in the 80s again- I remember all these things happening in various parts of Brooklyn that were at one time considered uninhabitable (Williamsburg).

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    1sfrenter says

    Better yet, when the gays and lesbians start hanging the rainbow flag in your nabe, you know gentrification is coming.

    True. Ever been to downtown Allentown, PA? There are some beautiful old row houses that are in "questionable" areas, but the gays have moved in and fixed things up.

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    I don't care if your a Man-in-Black, you move in and fix the foreclosure next to me, and I'll wash your flying saucer for you.

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    I adore California. I watch movies just fascinated by the deserts. Of course you have that sun that explodes out, into the sky sometimes or wait is that Japan?

    I watched some guys clearing land once. They worked for a pine pulping company. Many of them had no teeth. I don't think it was so much due to bad hygine as getting hit in the face with a log or a treetop. One had a broken arm. What they do is wrap a chain around some trees and drag them out of the woods. Of course they have to manhandle what gets in tangle.

    If you live in a city. You know it could cost as much as 5k just to get one tree out of your yard. That could cover their insurance premiums I guess. If they could get insured to begin with.

    Back to those pine pulp guys that clear trees off of land. They were really nice guys but kind of goofy in a lot of ways. To tell you the truth they were all torn up. A good size tree can weigh 10k pounds thats something you just don't want to mess with.

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