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Those "Chain-Link & Rottweiler" Neighborhoods...


By freak80   Follow   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 1:43am PDT   8,622 views   42 comments   Watch (2)   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

Anyone here on Patnet know what kind of neighborhoods I'm talking about?

How much would you pay to live in such an area? By the looks of the Bay Area RE market, that's the only kind of place in which middle-class family could afford to live.

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APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 3:27am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (3)   Dislike     Comment 3

Good training for the impending cannibal anarchy. Buy cash. Put a sniper nest on the roof. Plant potatoes. Life is good.

freak80   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 3:29am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 4

Good idea! Use the hub caps as targets.

CL   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 3:36am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 5

wthrfrk80 says

that's the only kind of place in which middle-class family could afford to live.

That tears it....I'm just going to be rich then.

bmwman91   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 3:36am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 6

wthrfrk80 says

Are there "Beware of Dog" signs and old hub caps on the chain-link fences?

There might be, for about 15 minutes until they are stolen & sold for crack money or put onto someone's 1987 Buick.

StoutFiles   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 4:07am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 7

Less than 40k. I'd probably be fine with it, it's just the wife nagging about the neighborhood that wouldn't be worth it.

B.A.C.A.H.   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 4:26am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 8

StoutFiles says

it's just the wife nagging about the neighborhood that wouldn't be worth it.

what's not worth it? The neighborhood or the nagging wife?

freak80   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 4:29am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 9

Here's a place near Corning, NY for 45k:

freak80   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 5:55am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 10

Don't forget all of those nice places on the high desert north of Los Angeles near Victorville.

bmwman91   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 6:04am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 11

wthrfrk80 says

Don't forget all of those nice places on the high desert north of Los Angeles near Victorville.

You know, I was recently riving through there on my way back from a climbing trip in Joshua Tree. The place has a certain unique beauty to it, and the ruggedness is almost surreal in some ways. The wind storms are also nothing to be trifled with. Still, as I was driving on highway 247, I just remember thinking that it was one place I was not ever really going to want to move to. I usually give most places the benefit of the doubt, but I found myself struggling there.

edvard2   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 6:16am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 12

Guess it all depends on perspective. I grew up in what would be characterized as " Redneck land". It was routine for people to get drunk and drag race down the street at 3 AM. I'd say about half of those who lived around us had failed to complete high school. Almost all of them were extremely conservative and lacked much if any knowledge of the world outside their community. Our house got broken into several times and on occasion things woul disappear from Dad's shop. Even though my parents have lived there for over 40 years, they're still considered " Newcomers". I could go on and on and on.

But come to think of it, I never really thought about it growing up. I remember thinking how sorry I was that all those 'poor' people who lived in the suburbs had only tiny little yards and they could see their neighbor's houses. A lot of them had the same attitude that people have around here about the 'hood'. I've been on a few forums where people talk about relocating and they are scared about the rural areas. To me its how I grew up and I later adapated to living in the Bay Area and in the end, I'm not sure if living here is any better given the extreme costs and difficulty in general just to have what people back home could afford working a working class job.

freak80   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 6:43am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 13

edvard2 says

Guess it all depends on perspective. I grew up in what would be characterized as " Redneck land".

And you're now in the Bay Area? Wow that had to be some serious culture shock!

Mick Russom   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 7:00am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 14

edvard2 says

I'm not sure if living here is any better given the extreme costs and difficulty in general just to have what people back home could afford working a working class job.

I'm not so sure either. This place has made RE as artificially overpriced as possible. Whats the point of paying half your pay to rent or mortgage.

edvard2   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 7:15am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 15

wthrfrk80 says

And you're now in the Bay Area? Wow that had to be some serious culture shock!

Actually it wasn't that bad. In the BA I feel that people are a little more laid-back and easy going, which is in some ways how people are back where I came from. I also came from a somewhat liberal family so I fit in fine here. My biggest gripe continues to be the cost of living- which I think is for most people the single biggest issue here.

That said, the high cost of living I think in many ways caused me to bust my ass for years to save up money. You have to. So in that regard its been good for me.

FunTime   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 7:52am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 16

Well this article some of us read from patnet surely includes a few neighborhoods as described.

http://www.zillow.com/blog/2012-03-29/homes-for-the-price-of-a-car/

1sfrenter   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 8:59am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 17

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Having a rottie is a big reason to become a home owner. Most landlords won't rent to tenants with dogs, and if your dog is a rottweiler or a pitbull, fuggedaboutit.

When we quit being renters, we're getting another rottie.

freak80   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 10:37am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 18

1sfrenter says

Hey, I resemble that remark.

You look like a group of words typed on a computer screen?? ;)

elliemae   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 4:33pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like (2)   Dislike     Comment 19

1sfrenter says

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Having a rottie is a big reason to become a home owner. Most landlords won't rent to tenants with dogs, and if your dog is a rottweiler or a pitbull, fuggedaboutit.

When we quit being renters, we're getting another rottie.

my homeowner's insurance won't allow me to have a rottweiler, pitbull or german shepherd. seriously.

lostand confused   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 4:42pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 20

EEk I didn't think German Shephards were included in the bad dog list?

maire   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 5:25pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 21

Be better than living in some places in the Midwest where that kinda area would also get you a meth lab as a neighbor.

Austinhousingbubble   befriend   ignore   Wed, 11 Apr 2012, 9:21pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 22

bmwman91 says

Don't forget all of those nice places on the high desert north of Los Angeles near Victorville.

You know, I was recently riving through there on my way back from a climbing trip in Joshua Tree. The place has a certain unique beauty to it, and the ruggedness is almost surreal in some ways. The wind storms are also nothing to be trifled with. Still, as I was driving on highway 247, I just remember thinking that it was one place I was not ever really going to want to move to. I usually give most places the benefit of the doubt, but I found myself struggling there.

Joshua Tree is beautiful, and something of an outpost for serious artists (and serious climbers aka dirtbags) who've been driven out of the city by all the boring wannabe yuppies. Parts of Joshua Tree and Yucca Valley are a little dicey, but I have good feelings about this area going forward. It does, however, sit directly on a fault line. Not so cool. Victorville is some 60 miles north from Joshua Tree and Yucca Valley but a veritable world apart from either of those places.

http://exiledonline.com/desert-dispatch-meth-morons-and-murder-in-victorville/all/1/

BTW here in Austin, scrunched in-between the dumpy chain link/BoD houses, you'll very often find some pretentious neo-moderne McMansion listed for between $300-400 per sq ft. Location location location!!!

freak80   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 12:06am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 23

Ever see the movie "Vegas Vacation" by National Lampoon? Remember the part where Uncle Eddie is shown living with the family in a trailer out in the desert?

That was my impression of the western outskirts of Victorville.

the cave dweller   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 12:11am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 24

Seriously, what good is a home where you can't go out after dark? Or, leave it unguarded to work, shop, or do anything? Or, worry the wife is some meth heads idea of a fun couple of hours before they chop her up in the tub? A daily read of the news will dial you into these realities - but if you need more, just visit one of those hoods some evening and hang out for a tad ... good luck brau - bring the Rott & a 9mm.

scott777   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 1:51am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 25

The ave joe should be moving into these neighborhoods because that is where he belongs. when decent working people start moving back into neighborhoods they can afford those neighborhoods will get better. The fundemental problem in housing besides financing is that most people don't want to accept they belong on the other side of the train tracks. Credit allows us to make believe for a while. We choose vanity over long term security for ourselves and family. We all can't afford to live in rich neighborhoods, drive luxury cars and send our kids to private schools. That used to be acceptable.

CL   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 1:57am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 26

wthrfrk80 says

edvard2 says

Guess it all depends on perspective. I grew up in what would be characterized as " Redneck land".

And you're now in the Bay Area? Wow that had to be some serious culture shock!

I've seen you I think. Corn cob pipe, no teeth and overalls? Also, where did you learn to write so purty? Rosetta Stone? :)

Patrick   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 2:14am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 27

I read a book called "Arrested: What to Do When Your Loved One's in Jail" which suggested that the general cure for bad neighborhoods and the specific cure for bad young men is the US Marine Corps.

The author claimed that being in the marines was exactly the sort of discipline young wayward men need, and that they come to identify with the marines and become model citizens when they move back home.

He says that when you see someone put up a flagpole with the USMC flag on it, that's a sign that the neighborhood is about to improve.

1sfrenter   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 2:22am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 28

Patrick says

He says that when you see someone put up a flagpole with the USMC flag on it, that's a sign that the neighborhood is about to improve.

Better yet, when the gays and lesbians start hanging the rainbow flag in your nabe, you know gentrification is coming.

Patrick   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 2:49am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 29

Gentrification makes neighborhoods safer by eliminating low-cost housing, which forces out poor renters. So it's a bad thing from the perspective of poor renters, though it does increase property values for poor owners.

freak80   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 2:51am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 30

Patrick says

The author claimed that being in the marines was exactly the sort of discipline young wayward men need, and that they come to identify with the marines and become model citizens when they move back home.

I knew several "bad kids" from high school who went to the Marines and came out totally changed. For the better, in my view. I guess that makes me a right wing wacko...

1sfrenter   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 3:13am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 31

elliemae says

my homeowner's insurance won't allow me to have a rottweiler, pitbull or german shepherd. seriously.

So how do they check the breed of your dog when you apply for homeowner's insurance?

If we get stuck and have to move out of our rental and rent another place, I think we would have to spray paint our rottie so she is all black. Voila - a lab!

sfbubblebuyer   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 3:13am PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 32

I'd say the marines is a good choice for bad kids about 70% of the time. The other 30% of the time you send in a dirt bag and get back a dirt bag with advanced weapons training and a grasp of tactics.

1sfrenter   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 3:14am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 33

Patrick says

forces out poor renters

Why we are leaving our neighborhood. It is now the new Noe Valley. Blech.

freak80   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 3:21am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 34

sfbubblebuyer says

The other 30% of the time you send in a dirt bag and get back a dirt bag with advanced weapons training and a grasp of tactics.

Yikes. Good point.

bdrasin   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 1:45pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 35

sfbubblebuyer says

I'd say the marines is a good choice for bad kids about 70% of the time. The other 30% of the time you send in a dirt bag and get back a dirt bag with advanced weapons training and a grasp of tactics.

Nah, join the Navy. You can learn more skills there (or so I hear).

freak80   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 2:15pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 36

bdrasin says

Nah, join the Navy. You can learn more skills there (or so I hear).

I...just...can't...resist...posting...this...

Cautious1   befriend   ignore   Thu, 12 Apr 2012, 2:28pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 37

Not to be a party pooper, but here's a nice young man who went off to college and returned to the hood, trying to pioneer a life there:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0411-inglewood-20120411,0,4023027,full.story
Heartbreaking.

rufita11   befriend   ignore   Fri, 13 Apr 2012, 11:21am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 38

lostand confused says

EEk I didn't think German Shephards were included in the bad dog list?

This guy is on the banned list at many properties. I couldn't believe dals were considered unruly :). So, we are now paying a premium to rent an apartment in San Ramon. This place has more pit-mixes than any other breed. This is apparently where all the banned dogs go to live, but at an unbelievable rent.

azman   befriend   ignore   Sat, 14 Apr 2012, 1:34pm PDT   Share   Quote   Like (1)   Dislike     Comment 39

Gentrification is absolutely going on in downtown phx area, especially the 'capital mall' district...

Seems like we're back in the 80s again- I remember all these things happening in various parts of Brooklyn that were at one time considered uninhabitable (Williamsburg).

freak80   befriend   ignore   Mon, 16 Apr 2012, 12:13am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 40

1sfrenter says

Better yet, when the gays and lesbians start hanging the rainbow flag in your nabe, you know gentrification is coming.

True. Ever been to downtown Allentown, PA? There are some beautiful old row houses that are in "questionable" areas, but the gays have moved in and fixed things up.

maire   befriend   ignore   Mon, 16 Apr 2012, 12:31am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 41

I don't care if your a Man-in-Black, you move in and fix the foreclosure next to me, and I'll wash your flying saucer for you.

ArtimusMaxtor   befriend   ignore   Mon, 16 Apr 2012, 12:35am PDT   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 42

I adore California. I watch movies just fascinated by the deserts. Of course you have that sun that explodes out, into the sky sometimes or wait is that Japan?

I watched some guys clearing land once. They worked for a pine pulping company. Many of them had no teeth. I don't think it was so much due to bad hygine as getting hit in the face with a log or a treetop. One had a broken arm. What they do is wrap a chain around some trees and drag them out of the woods. Of course they have to manhandle what gets in tangle.

If you live in a city. You know it could cost as much as 5k just to get one tree out of your yard. That could cover their insurance premiums I guess. If they could get insured to begin with.

Back to those pine pulp guys that clear trees off of land. They were really nice guys but kind of goofy in a lot of ways. To tell you the truth they were all torn up. A good size tree can weigh 10k pounds thats something you just don't want to mess with.

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