All the San Francisco Bay liberals will have to swap out their old Obama bumper stickers. I don't have to worry about doing that on my car. ;-)
New Obama campaign video unveils ‘Forward’ slogan
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The liberal agenda has fostered government dependency instead of self reliance.
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Crony capitalism and terrible tax policy is leading to a shrinking middle class.
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Honest Abe says
Lets look at your core beliefs shall we?
- Hypernationalism
- Blaming a single group for all of the nations ills from losing the war on terror to bankrupting the nation
- Believes in one true religion while all others are false
- Willing to sacrifice human rights and endorse the use of torture
- Obsession with national security and a belief that pre-emptive war is justified
- Disdain for intellectuals
Sound familiar? Something from history perhaps?
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iwog says
For the most part, religions require this.
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Honest Abe is just plain crazy as far as I can tell.
Sure I "get it" if someone thinks Romney might do a better job than Obama and can give reasons why. But the far right is acting on raw fear and not much more.
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If we Americans fall for another 4 years of hope and change sloganeering we have no one to blame but ourselves.
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wthrfrk80 says
Yes, just plain crazy. Abe seems incapable or unwilling to exercise even a modicum of critical thought to his positions. And too that point...
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Yes, Abe is entirely antithetical to the American way of life. He does not seem to want to make things better, or improve life for Americans. Rather than see a Democrat succeed in making things better it seems that Abe and his ilk would prefer to see the government entirely collapse, plunging the US into chaos. Actually, using the intellectual powers of a 12 year-old Grover Norquest, Abe seems to want to see the US government collapse regardless of who holds office. Quite frankly Abe's view of where American government should go probably has more in common with al-Qaeda than most American citizens, liberal or conservative.
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FortWayne says
I a curious what you think of the Ryan budget? Do you really think that it is a better option than 4 more years of Obama?
I am not big fan of Obama and I generally hate being overly fatalistic when it come to who holds office, but all evidence seems to point to a Romney presidency as being the death nail to the American middle class. Sure life will go on, but our socioeconomic structure will resemble that of developing nations more than any other industrialized nation.
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Honest Abe says
That's interesting since SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS started under Reagan. You obviously don't know any history of the last 30 years. The republican administrations have been the ones stripping away rights at every opportunity. Roadblocks for identity papers, roving goon squads in train/airport/rest areas, spying on all communications, locking up citizens with no charges, seizing assets with no charges, etc., etc.. all started under conservative republican presidents.
The fact that Obama hasn't addressed fixing any of these issues shows that the system has reached the tipping point where it doesn't matter who is in office, the slide into police state is unstoppable and rapidly accelerating. Or do you really think Romney (or any of the other dwarfs except Ron Paul) will be the Republican to reverse the trend by giving up government power and restoring constitutional rights? Not very likely, I would say the sun going supernova has a better chance of happening.
Reality doesn't occur very often in your world does it?
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bob2356 says
Yes, this is the exact system that Abe would like to see in place. How else is he going to identify, roundup and re-educate/expel/execute those that disagree with him.
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Yes, and this is one of the things that pisses me off the most about Obama. If I thought that voting Republican would reverse this trend I would do it, but they just seem to want to step on the gas when it come to these things.
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leoj707 says
I wouldn't go THAT far...
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bob2356 says
Has that actually happened? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking.
If so, that's pretty messed up.
I don't mind tighter security at airports after 9-11, but I'm no fan of skipping "due process."
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wthrfrk80 says
Here is an example that come right to mind, but I am sure there are better ones.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/04/misdemeanors_can_have_major_consequences_for_the_people_charged_.html
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Asset seizures were originally part and parcel of the "war on drugs" but have become used for many other types of alleged crimes. Asset seizures happens every day. You have to prove the assets were NOT part of the crime to get them back. Good luck hiring a lawyer without any money.
There are any number of federal agencies that can freeze your bank accounts without any kind of warrant or court order. They simply tell the bank to freeze your accounts. The bank doesn't even have to tell you who did it or why.
Look into FINCEN which is a database of financial transactions (banks, insurance companies, financial traders, brokers, etc., etc.) run by the treasury department. Something like 185 federal agencies request records from FINCEN. I didn't even know there were 185 federal agencies, much less that many trolling through the financial records of citizens. One has to ask what legitimate interest do agencies like fish and game have in citizens spending?
Citizens can now be legally held without charges indefinitely as per the 2012 national defense act. It was done before (hamdi/padille/etc.) before but the legal aspects weren't totally clear.
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wthrfrk80 says
Actually the neo-con goal of "starve the beast" is pretty close to Osama bin Laden/al-Qaeda goals.
Bin Laden was very proud of the tactic used against the Soviet Union, and thought that the Afghanistan military money pit for Russia should be credited for the Soviet collapse.
They both have a similar goal:
al-Qaeda - get the US government out of the middle east and be left alone.
Neo-con - get the US government out of the US and be left alone.
They both have different methods of meeting their ends:
al-Qaeda - get the government to overspend on it's middle eastern military missions.
Neo-con - reduce revenue collection to the government, and overspend.
They both want to see the current US government suffer a financial collapse. The difference is that al-Qaeda does not care what takes its place as long as they still get left alone. While the Neo-cons want to see a new government, reflecting their values and rid of liberal influences, emerge.
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bob2356 says
God Bless America. Where "justice" is sold on the open market to the highest bidder.
Why do we still think America is the best country on earth again?
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America used to be the best country on earth for several simple reasons: the constitution, the bill or rights, freedom, and the opportunity to go as far as you ability would take you.
"But its not fair" that some should be able to earn more than others, whined the liberals who went about "fundamentally changing America" ...for the worst.
I'm like the doctor who discovered cancer and am trying to disclose "bad news" to the patient and his family. They don't want to hear it. Liberals don't want to hear the ugly truth about how America is being systematically destroyed, because they are the architects of it. They want America to be fundamentally changed so everyone can be "equally" poor and miserable. And by gosh it looks like they are succeeding to the detriment of the country and its citizens. Good job Commies.
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Honest Abe says
Please post a reference to anyone on this board who has said that it is unfair for people to "earn more money than others". Or how about a reference to any elected Democrat who has said it.
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Hmmm... perhaps.... maybe if that doctor had no medical training outside of a witchdoctor's hut and just made shit up as he went along.
Oh, wait... my bad it is not so much that you make shit up, but just repeat the shit made up by others.
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Honest Abe says
Right and the best way to get back to this America you seek is to first destroy the government then to identify liberals then imprison, re-educate, torture, expel and/or execute them. That has always been a good first start to a free and just society based on the rule of law.
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Leo, I don't agree with your idea's or proposal to "first destroy the government, then identify liberals, imprison, re-educate, torture, expel and or execute them". I think your comments are dangerous, you out of touch with reality and I don't support or endorse your ideas in any way, shape or form.
Your comments are probably on some FBI list, where they belong.
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Honest Abe says
This is probably the 10th time you've lied about this and the 10th time you've been corrected.
Show a single example of anyone making an argument about how it's unfair that some people earn more than others.
WTF is wrong with you? You have NO examples, NO logic, and NO context yet you keep repeating the same bullshit time and time again. Why?
Honest Abe says
How are liberals doing this again? Oh that's right, every time you're asked for specifics you run away. The reality of American politics is that almost every law we live under was authored by a Republican.
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Honest Abe says
Oh, really so you disagree with Grover Norquist and the republican "starve the beast" strategy?
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Except of course in quotes where you say you will imprison forever and torture other human-beings with whom you have a political disagreement with.
Oh, and they are not my ideas I was just taking your comments to their logical conclusion, but then again logic is not your strong suite.
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Are you saying that once you started imprisoning and torturing specific liberals you are not going to then continue on to others that think like them? You are going to keep them "imprisoned indefinitely" on the states dime? Based on your rantings I think that re-education and executions would be your next steps.
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I could not agree more.
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I think Honest Abe is just trolling. The "Ignore" function is a beautiful thing.
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wthrfrk80 says
Yeah, I guess that should have been clear to me when Abe was contradicting his/her own comments.
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Letterman's Top 10 list tonight was, "Top 10 least inspiring one-word campaign slogans." The contenders included:
UP
DOWN
SIDEWAYS
NEUTRAL
BACKWARD
FUTILE
etc.
So far, the best slogans I've seen are on this board:
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In other words, "When the Republicans take the Senate and hold the House, we'll need at least two years of vetoes." If SCOTUS upholds ObamaCare, count on the lobbies that financed it to kick in as much as necessary to keep that veto pen in office.
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leoj707 says
I don't know what to think of it. I like many parts of it, I don't others. I like the elimination of Fannie and Freddie which is probably a lure for us conservatives. But I don't like turning medicare into a voucher.
To me it's like the healthcare reform. I think some parts of it are good and should be done independently. As a whole package I don't like it.
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FortWayne says
Yeah, I feel the same way about the healthcare reform.
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Ryan's proposal for Medicare (RyanCare) is essentially ObamaCare for senior citizens. As with ObamaCare, it's always possible to sprinkle on a few things that people will like, but the overall package remains unpopular.
Ryan's proposal for Medicaid might have potential. Current Medicaid spending totals around $400 billion/year. Mathematically, that's enough to provide vaccines and emergency care to the entire population, improving public health and eliminating EMTALA cost shifting entirely. Politically, the provider lobbies try to get as much revenue as possible from as many sources as possible, which means over-medicating the Medicaid population while leaving the general population un-vaccinated and afraid that a single illness or injury might end in bankruptcy. If state voters figure out that they can provide basic coverage (vaccines & emergencies) to their whole population for less than what they spend on Medicaid now, then we might get to a more efficient system.
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Didn't we already have "socialized medicine" before ObamaCare? It was called Medicare and Medicaid, right?
I guess politics is all about word games. Maybe the "medicare for all" slogan would have worked better than "single-payer."
For some reason, in the minds of Americans:
Medicare = Not Socialism = Not Evil
Single Payer = Socialism = Evil
I figure if Grandma is ok with her Medicare, it should work for younger people that don't need constant medical attention.
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wthrfrk80 says
And don't forget Tricare.
http://www.tricare.mil/
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leoj707 says
And combat medics.
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wthrfrk80 says
It would probably work a lot better than "forward." Polls show most Americans support single-payer, regardless of what it's called. 2009 reform proposals included reducing the age to qualify for Medicare, but that didn't make it into the final legislation. AMA coined the phrase "socialized medicine" to oppose Medicare, but AMA represents only 12% of doctors and an even smaller % of voters. AMA supported ObamaCare in exchange for $$$$$ including continued royalties on their incomprehensible billing codes.
Polls also show that most voters think the country is on the wrong track, which got me to thinking, how can the administration have thought "forward" would make a compelling campaign slogan? Then it hit me, a dim childhood memory of Tennyson, "Forward, the Light Brigade!"
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Gee, that's a great thought. In the real world less than half of doctors take medicaid patients at all. Many of the ones that do usually consider it a public service since many medicaid reimbursements are less than the cost of providing the service. No provider in the country is lobbying for more medicaid.
But don't let facts interfere with a good rant.
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bob2356 says
Actually, Medicaid is among the most provider lobby-driven programs around, and makes $$$ for PhRMA (the first lobby to sign onto ObamaCare, in exchange for federal $$$$$, in a secret deal the administration initially denied but later admitted) along with other lobbies that have learned to litigate more $ out of states to comply with the myriad federal requirements:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/health/12medicaid.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.vorys.com/services-615.html
Nevermind that those toxic pills provide no benefit and sometimes cause lifelong side effects. At $400 billion annually for 40 million enrollees, Medicaid is big $$$: nearly $10k/person annually. Maybe the campaign slogan should be, "more kids on more pills!" Or, in a word, "dopeward."
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You links have no relation to your post at all. WTF?? An article that says medicaid kids get more drugs for mental health problems because counseling is hard to get means the Medicaid is provider lobby driven?? An ad from a law firm saying they represent consumers and providers? What does Pharma supporting obamacare have to do medicaid?
Medicaid is 10k per person for the poor and indigent who frequently don't take care of their health, not to mention frequently have tons of problems from things like nutrition, living conditions, booze and drugs. So What? Have you checked the cost of private health insurance lately? I would say 10k is a pretty good price for providing health care to this population.
Have you been sampling the pharma products or are we just posting while wearing a tin foil hat today? Want to actually provide some proof for the statement that Medicaid is provider lobby driven.
Simple question. If doctors are so anxious for Medicaid than why do so few accept it?
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bob2356 says
PhRMA is among the most powerful lobbies in Washington, and among the biggest revenue recipients from Medicaid. ObamaCare increases PhRMA revenue in several ways, including expansion of Medicaid.
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Many of the providers that do accept it are very eager. These include the prescribers (doctors) mentioned in the NY Times article. Also, you seem to think doctors are the only provider lobby. Don't forget pharmacies, pharmacists, and all the people training these people. Those pills don't just fall off a truck into the mouths of random patients, they get sold systematically and dispensed in the most expensive way possible. The relationship between the links and the post is very simple: follow the money. $10k/year per patient adds up, and $400 billion/year goes a long way.
Since you didn't get the point from the first links, try these that make the point more directly:
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-04-11/news/fl-medicaid-lobbyists-swamp-legislatu20110411_1_medicaid-fight-medicaid-recipients-medicaid-program
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/issuesum.php?id=MMM
Of course, overt lobbying is only part of a larger picture; there is also the revolving door. Ask Billy Tauzin and his staff about that.
Anyway this thread is about campaign slogans, so you'll have to do better than saying "I don't understand somebody on a forum and I'm always right so he must be crazy and wearing a tin foil hat." If you favor even more spending, how about something like, "You can't take it with you."
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wthrfrk80 says
Exactly. And how much would it cost us if this was simply expanded and paid for by taxes. That would have transitioned us to be like the rest of the developed world.
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marcus says
But this is America. We're the best nation on earth, doncha know? All those other nations are pussies.