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Why I respect Penn Jillette
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Did he do a Bullshit episode on Obama yet?
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CaptainShuddup says
I though the Bullshit series ended a while ago.
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I am pretty sure that smoking pot will give you cancer. Cause a car accident, slow down learning development and motivation.
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The data not compared to the other drugs was which causes Hallucinations and extreme Paranoia or Anxiety? Pot.
Potheads always like to compare the benefits of pot to heroin, or alcohol.
If you smoke pot today, you are an addict. That pot that Clinton "didn't inhale" was 50X weaker than the polio weed they are growing today.
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KILLERJANE says
Where did that belief come from ? The whole medical profession agrees, pot is beneficial at least during Chemotherapy.
http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_studyKILLERJANE says
You are right on these points. NOT a good idea to legalize getting baked while operating your Smart Car, Semi Truck, or 747.
This is what you see FLYING HIGH !
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TMAC54 says
Decriminalization would force law enforcement to focus on real crime. Are you crazy???
Also, half of the people in prison didn't commit violent crime or anything else illegal. They just happen to like pot. Are you saying we should just let go free? Geez... the prison guard unions and their lobbyists would not like that one bit.
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Smoking pot can give you lung cancer, yes. Go ahead smoke it up for a long while, you are increasing your risk.
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I am not actually saying you should harm yourself, just that smoke is damaging.
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Green vegetable juices however will reduce the risk of cancer. Can you juice pot?
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Coin that phrase "can you juice pot?" copyright (c) KILLERJANE 2012
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Let me tell you something boy. Taking the pot can only lead to harder drugs like bennies and reds an then maybe a little meth and then your on your way to cocaine and heroin. Its a little trip you just may or may not make it back from. Think about that while your having a little harmless fun - Joe Friday Dragnet.
Well what can I say. I don't take the pot. Then again thats me. Really its kind of something of nature that grows. So its whole and of itself. Not synthesized for the most part. I don't see how you can destroy and cordon something that grows naturally. Thats a horror to many people what right do they have. Its harmless true. I don't take the pot once again. I don't like the effects. I guess some people do. Legal is what people consider it. For the people by the people makes the laws. Hypothetically anyway. However they ignore what most everyone wants and do what they want. For the debt merchants by the debt merchants would be more apt. The debt merchants although lowlife don't want you high while working on building their empire apparently.
Robin Williams best
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Vicente says
Kinda sorta maybe. Some of the arguments of prohibition on alcohol wasn't the drug itself but was largely that men would tend to run off with other women. But that didn't really end with prohibition.
With pot the argument was also a bit racist if not outright xenophobic in that it was largely associated with hispanics (Mexicans).
Sometimes when the public sees something it does not understand it shuns it until it can. Today if someone told you they met their wife or husband on some internet site that isn't that big of an issue. If it was in 1995 they would have been deemed to be social outcasts.
But the other issue is that whenever something is made to be "illegal" it instantly will do a number of things.
1) Some customers do not want to do anything that illegal so there is then scarcity
2) Scarcity builds up demand
3) Demand attracts dealers.
4) Customers either buy it domestically where it is illegal or go somewhere else where IS legal.
Before Roe vs Wade people went to other countries to get abortions, now few do. There is a large drug tourism sector in Amsterdam etc.
In addition the security made based on enforcing any law would usually seek to keep it that way. Half of everyone in jail is on due to drug related crimes in the USA. If you let them go we wouldn't need as many prisons, guards, cops, equipment etc.
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KILLERJANE says
Can you show any unbiased sources publishing marajuana causes cancer ?
Couldn't the millions of Cemotherapy patients sue their Doctors for prescribing that cancer causing drug ? That would be like going to an AA meeting and the sponsor offers you a drink.
I agree with you. The pain in the chest caused by smoke in the lungs is trying to tell you something.
I find it obsurd to fight something so hard for so long when that thing has NEVER caused a social problem, infact it cures many social problems.
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Inhaling smoke of any sort will increase your risk of lung cancer
But that's not a reason to ban something. We don't ban campfires
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TMAC54 says
I haven't seen anything as defnitive as you're asking for, but I find this article tilting me towards the "it does cause cancer" end of the spectrum...
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201102/does-marijuana-cause-cancer
6,000 of the same chemicals in marijuana smoke as in tobacco smoke, and more of one of the known carcinogens in cigarettes (benzo(α)pyrene) in marijuana smoke than tobacco smoke? If I were a betting man, I'd make some kind of wager that there is a link between marijuana smoking and cancer of some form or another.
I'm personally also not crazy about the fact that THC is fat-soluble, not water soluble. THC is apparently a relatively benign drug, but it hangs around the body a lot longer than, say, alcohol. A couple of doobies a week vs. a couple of glasses of whiskey a week, I can't see either as being a recipe for good health, but at least whiskey is gone from your system a lot quicker, whereas the THC will accumulate over time, assuming dope consumption continues. This may mean nothing, but it may not. There seems to be no consensus on this particular issue. But for my part, I guess I tend to assume the worst.
FTR, I used to be heavy drinker and have only tried dope twice. I can't drink now, since I'm on several medications that don't play well w/booze, but I'd cut back a lot even before I went on them.
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I'm all for legalizing weed, but c'mon, those charts are bullshit. Of course it's addictive, of course it impairs your motor skills just like alcohol, of course there are nasty chemicals in it that aren't good for your lungs just like cigarettes. Anybody who has used it knows it causes memory loss. They've studied alcohol and cigarettes to death; just because they haven't done that with marijuana yet doesn't mean it's magic. Get a grip, folks.
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Dave..........? Dave's not here.
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Elwood P Dowd says
So you are saying we should have a war on tobacco?
I'm with homeboy. It's no worse than booze or cigs, you're not going to stop it so just legalize it. The amount of money and ruined lives in the war on drugs is insane. I don't smoke it, but I don't care if other people do.
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KILLERJANE says
You can't chainsmoke pot. It doesn't work that way. Still, we already proved that cigarettes are more addictive and has a good chance of causing cancer. I say we either decriminalize pot or make cigarettes illegal. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
ArtimusMaxtor says
That's one of the biggest lies of our times. People have been brought up thinking that marijuana is just as bad as coke and heroin. They then see that lots of people smoke pot. So they think "Hey, they lied to me about marijuana! They must've lied about heroin and meth too!" But when people are properly educated, marijuana isn't a gateway drug any more than alcohol.
You could smoke pot regularly in college and still graduate. Well, shit, if you're drunk every night, you wouldn't graduate either. In moderation, you can get drunk and smoke pot regularly. Try heroin just once and you'll probably drop out. So marijuana is not at the same level as other illicit drugs such as heroin.
At some point in time, you stop doing these and get on with the rest of your life. After the 60's, baby boomers stopped smoking pot en masse and got on with the rest of their lives.
I'm not saying pot is good any more than cigarettes or alcohol. I just don't think all the resources we're wasting on it is worth it. It's like the alcohol prohibition times a billion.
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tdeloco says
Actually many peoples lives were permanently destroyed due to drugs and alcoholism. The 70s were not pretty... drug use was rampant and so were the deaths. People who did well didnt do drugs...
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TMAC54 says
You mean the shot out by gangs resulting in deaths dont happen... what do they do .. sissy slap each other...
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Dan8267 says
Ask Keith Richards...
"easy to get in , difficult to quit, dont recommend it !"
and thats from Kef!
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thomas.wong1986 says
Oh for christ sakes. Virtually everyone under the age of 70 has smoked pot. What percentage went on to harder drugs? The 70's had no more abuse than any other decade, just the abuse was drugs and booze, not just booze. Drugs were legal until the 30's, yet the entire country didn't end up heroin addicts. The countries that have legal drugs don't have any more problems than anyone else. Kieth Richards as a anti drug spokesman?? He has taken more drugs than some entire countries.
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I got to tell you all, go grab a medical MJ card and try some of the new stuff. Its not a toy drug. at all. not saying anything about the legality of it, but its like 15%+ thc now, and its ridiculously strong. I tried a joint of it, maybe 1/3 of a normal cigarette sized version, and i had a 4-5 hour long panic attack. it was insane. i could have easily hurt myself or been hurt in that state. i actually wished for somehow to get a doc to sedate me , thats how bad it was. this isnt your funny cheech and chong experience, the stuff is ridiculous.
Go ahead an legalize it, but its not all going to be fun in the sun, and you wont want your kids on it.
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I like how people that have never smoked pot, like to comment on it's ill effects the most. Pots ill effects are temporary, and the benefits outweigh the temporary negative benefits.
Take it from a 30+ year smoker. I have had many dry months and as long as a 7 year hiatus in between.
As for cognition effects, oddly for brain work that you know inside and out, like process for solving complex algorithms, I find I can clearly deduce the methods needed for processes stoned vs straight. It's almost intrinsic thinking.
Now this is where it gets weird, for learning new concepts, I find I have to dry out for three months so I can retain, as well comprehend those new processes.
But then once I understand them, I'm much better applying that knowledge stoned.
Music for playing straight up written music as they are either in tablature or manuscript, straight is much better and easier.
As for creating, and feeling new rythms or just interpreting or adlibing music, then I'm better at it stoned.
Learning being straight is best, creating stoned is best.
As for quitting, it's only the first night that is rough, after that it's pretty easy. Though I do experience wild vivid dreams and it's the only time(That I remember or know of) that I have nightmares, in the weeks after starting to THC detox.
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Seems to me we already do have one, at least if you live in the Northeastern US like I do. I forget which state it was (probably MA or CT) that was trying for a while to make it illegal to smoke in your car if you were transporting children. Haven't heard much about that one lately, though. But it is indicative of the mindset around here.
The question I was responding to was whether or not there's definitive evidence that marijuana causes cancer, not about what should be legal or illegal. And from the link I posted I concluded I couldn't meet his standard of proof, but that the evidence seems to be pointing in that direction, and that THC lingering in the body for so long probably can't be a good thing, in the sense it has the potential to build up.
Not really sure why you responded to me from a political angle, since I didn't mention that whole arena. But since you did, I'll candidly say I've got mixed feelings. I mean, stand your question on its head: What drugs should be illegal? None? LSD? Heroin? Methamphetamine? PCP? I suppose using formal logic I'd be guilty of the "slippery slope" fallacy, but when arguing real policies in plain English, there are times when you can accept it as plausible, if not precisely airtight course of reasoning (see Informal Logic, Walton, 1989, pp 263-9). And my experience with people with substance abuse issues is they start off w/cough syrup, Dad's booze cabinet, dope, etc., and then move on to harder stuff.
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Oh, one last comment and I'll shut up: Does anyone know how 2,000 people a year die from caffeine? I'm scratching my head over that one from the chart that claims zero marijuana deaths. (And the link given takes you to the site's main page, not the one with he chart, so I could not find the source for that claim.)
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thomas.wong1986 says
To clarify, what I meant was everyone needs to think "even though I don't want to do x, I am okay with other people choosing to do x if doing x does not hurt others". And that's why I respect Penn Jillette. He doesn't do x, has absolutely no interest in x, but respects the rights of others to do x.
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Just stumbled upon this. Funny, if nothing else...
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CaptainShuddup says
And that doesn't bother you?
Nah, you just THINK you are. Weed gives you a false euphoria, so you think you are coming up with some really intense shit. People think they're having profound thoughts when they're stoned. They write them down, then look at them the next day, and it's stupid.
Marijuana appears to have some useful medical applications, and it's a fun recreational drug for a lot of people, but it doesn't make you more creative or better at solving problems. You're just addicted to it so you want to rationalize some excuse for why you get stoned every day.
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Tdeloco, an addicted pot smoker will smoke a lot in one day. Resilience builds up and they need to consume more and more to get the buzz.
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Juice the pot!
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Ps. I don't smoke it, throws my equillibrium out.
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Or drink it, yet.
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KILLERJANE says
Sure - but not every smoker is addicted. I'd venture to guess that most aren't. And define "a lot."
So far as causing memory loss, it's temporary. Smae with many other drugs.
Causing cancer? When comparing smoking pot to cigarettes, you must remember that hard-core smokers can smoke 3 packs a day, every day. Pot smokers smoke a couple of bowls or J's a day. It's like comparing an apple with a truckload of apples.
KILLERJANE says
Nah. Your thinking is flawed. Anyone can get cancer - to blame it on smoking pot doesn't prove cause & effect.
The newer stuff is genetically better. Sure, someone's gonna freak after not smoking for years. Four hour panic attack? It was waiting to happen, happened to be triggered by pot.
The people who are against legalization sit around having drink after drink, then vomiting because they drank too much. But they're morally superior because it's "legal."
Ya'll know not whereof you speak.
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tdeloco says
Where'd you get that idea? I've never know ANYONE who thought that.
Huh?
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elliemae says
Not every cigarette smoker is addicted either. I would venture to guess that anyone who smokes weed every day is addicted. I would also guess that 99% of them, if asked, would claim they could "quit any time".
I assume by "temporary", you mean that the ability to form memories can return IF the person discontinues the marijuana use. I don't think past memories that never formed are going to magically appear some day. Those memory gaps you have from being stoned every day in high school are permanent.
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Elliemay, smoke away as much as you can!
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KILLERJANE says
I love your Mantra. I fear it omits "experience" ?
We are what we experience in life. In a particular environment, Even you could be convinced to strap on some explosive device. Google Milgram Experiment and Stanford Prison Experiment.
I once transported an elderly gentleman to a clinic for his vision impairment. After conversing for a time and realizing we had much in common, I began to realize he was obsessed with perceived dangers in the city. He kept advising that "You must be careful on the street". "Danger lurks around every corner."
At the end of our day, He insisted on showing me a birthday present his daughter just bought him. A police scanner. He submersed himself listening to crime reports. It seems most of us have done the same to a lesser extent.
I love Patrick.net, as it provides a perspective that is NOT tainted by profit. Popular media and ANY other business is motivated to curb it's opinion toward making MONEY ! Honestly or NOT !
Face your fears. Experience it for yourself.
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