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Internet Trolls

By CL   Follow   Wed, 30 May 2012, 3:00pm   1,523 views   24 comments
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http://theweek.com/article/index/228295/thenbsptrolls-of-the-internet-a-guide

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1. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,185 threads 6,156 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA Premium

   1   3:44pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Just sort by disliked comments to find the trolls on Patrick.net: http://patrick.net/users.php?ob=dislikes&d=desc

2. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

   2   3:54pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   I'm offended I am so far down the list. Have to try harder.

3. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

   3   3:55pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   (I was thinking about you when I read this, actually. Sounds like fodder for a guy doing what you do) Do you think that dislikes reflect troll-levels? Or just level of dislike? :)

4. bob2356 Follow Befriend 2 threads 2,497 comments

   4   4:09pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Vicente says I'm offended I am so far down the list. Have to try harder. “Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt Christ I'm way below you. I'm really a slacker.

5. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,185 threads 6,156 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA Premium

   5   4:11pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   I think a better measure is the ratio of comment dislikes to comment likes. Call it "trollishness". Heck, let me see if I can put in a trollishness column. Maybe users with trollishness > 3 should have their icon changed to a troll, and people should be allowed to blanket-ignore all trolls?

6. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

   6   4:14pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Interesting idea! I suspect that many people might choose "dislike" when they dislike the message, but not the messenger. Or if they just strongly disagree with the content therein. The troll moniker might distinguish them from each other?

7. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,185 threads 6,156 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA Premium

   7   4:17pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   OK, there is now a "Trollishness" column, which is simply dislikes divided by likes: http://patrick.net/users.php?ob=dislikes&d=desc You can't sort by that yet, but it's still informative.

8. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 761 threads 7,688 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

   8   6:17pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Patrick says OK, there is now a "Trollishness" column, which is simply dislikes divided by likes I like how Cloud has a trollish rating of 10 and just about everyone else is below 1.0. Of course, if you talk about any hot issue, you're going to have a non-zero rating.

9. John Bailo Follow Befriend 94 threads 434 comments Kent, WA John Bailo's website

   9   6:49pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Oh, I dunno...I find that the only people who label others as "Trolls" these days are those who cannot stand any kind of abstract or lateral thinking on a subject. Calling "Troll" is more often like a false accusation of "Rape" -- it makes the person feel powerful when they have no logical way or responding to an argument. Or else the "Issue Is Settled" types who simply want a bunch of drones intoning the same way of thinking over and over again. Quite frankly, I have defined these Internet biddies as "Barnacles" and find them far more damaging to real debate on the Web: Barnacles: defn: A Barnacle is a person who haunts Usenet Newsgroups, Bulletin Boards and Fora. They offer a narrow interpretation of the purpose of the board, sometimes bordering on the absurd, or due to their own misinterpretation of the original charter. They make their living by calling almost anyone who disagrees with, or offers dissenting opinions a "troll" (which is grammatically incorrect because troll is a verb, not a noun...as in, to troll for shrimp). http://yrihf.com/viewtopic.php?t=559&highlight=barnacles&sid=1f13e1b9153cf06a41bb825df493a4af

10. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

    10   7:27pm Wed 30 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Good points, John. However I'd say a troll is most certainly a noun. Obviously, we have trolls in mythology, but in the Internet sense we can still make troll a noun, since evolving language has made it so! I mean, text is a noun and a verb now, right?

11. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    11   9:51am Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Patrick says I think a better measure is the ratio of comment dislikes to comment likes. Call it "trollishness". Heck, let me see if I can put in a trollishness column. Interesting, I like it. What do you think about adding number of ignores to the troll formula? Patrick says Maybe users with trollishness > 3 should have their icon changed to a troll, and people should be allowed to blanket-ignore all trolls? Hmmm... this could be interesting.

12. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,185 threads 6,156 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA Premium

    12   9:57am Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   leoj707 says What do you think about adding number of ignores to the troll formula? That makes sense, because it's stronger and rarer than mere "dislikes". And it has the advantage that it's hard to game, because you can just ignore someone once. OTOH, you can dislike hundreds of comments. Should I put in some limit on the times or rate at which one person can dislike comments from another? I can imagine a bitter troll disliking a hundred comments by someone else, one after another without reading them, just out of spite.

13. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    13   10:44am Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Patrick says Should I put in some limit on the times or rate at which one person can dislike comments from another? I can imagine a bitter troll disliking a hundred comments by someone else, one after another without reading them, just out of spite. Yep, that could totally happen. Don't Redit and Craigslist limit the number of times someone can up/down a post?

14. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,683 comments

    14   10:58am Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   One of these days you guys wont have me to kick around any more. You'll have to get your reality dose from Cloud.

15. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    15   11:00am Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   CaptainShuddup says One of these days you guys wont have me to kick around any more. You'll have to get your reality dose from Cloud. *Yawn*

16. John Bailo Follow Befriend 94 threads 434 comments Kent, WA John Bailo's website

    16   11:10am Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   CL says Good points, John. However I'd say a troll is most certainly a noun. Obviously, we have trolls in mythology, but in the Internet sense we can still make troll a noun, since evolving language has made it so! I mean, text is a noun and a verb now, right? Yes it is both a noun and a verb, but the original metaphor relating to the Internet was as a verb -- to troll for fish, or in the case of Usenet group, to write an inflammatory post and troll for replies. As a noun, it doesn't seem to me to make as much sense metaphorically, or rather it has the opposite sense (more akin to my use of Barnacle) as a Troll (noun) is a mythical creature who guards the bridge or entryway. So he would be someone who excludes or acts as the bouncer to people who "troll" (verb).

17. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,683 comments

    17   11:59am Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   You folks are like the Libs here at work. They can stand around kvetching out loud so everyone in an earshot can hear, about how bad the economy is, and how it's the republican's fault, and how bad Romney is. But as soon as someone says anything pro conservative to counter their claims, they invoke rule number in the company policy handbook they wrote in them selves. "No talking about politics" which in reality translates to "Don't counter argue Left talking points"

18. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    18   12:06pm Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   CaptainShuddup says But as soon as someone says anything pro conservative to counter their claims, And do you interject your opinion with the same savoir faire that you do on internet forums?

19. bob2356 Follow Befriend 2 threads 2,497 comments

    19   12:28pm Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   CaptainShuddup says One of these days you guys wont have me to kick around any more. You'll have to get your reality dose from Cloud. after dinner I'll faint.

20. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 247 threads 4,683 comments

    20   1:39pm Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   leoj707 says And do you interject your opinion with the same suave faire that you do on internet forums? These amateurs apologize by time I'm done with them. I'm not only a member, I'm the president of the Curmudgeon club.

21. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

    21   6:54pm Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Shutdown The Liars says Isn't it ironic that those belaboring the most about "trolls" are those very lying bastards who flood this site with housing misrepresentations and lies. A liar is a liar and will be exposed as a liar. Take note. Says the person who changes his name more times than his underwear.

22. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

    22   7:33pm Thu 31 May 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Yes, I call you a troll. I wonder why that is. And all of this trollishness rating is ridiculous. You get in an argument with someone and they start pressing dislike for every post you make irrespective of the points you raise. Does that mean you are a troll or that you have just rattled somebody's cage? I don't count Cloud as a troll, for example, because at least he is trying to make his point. He may well be pressing the dislike button for my posts, but I presume he's doing that because he doesn't like what I'm saying rather than thinking of me as a troll. You though are a troll. You change your name almost daily. You post the same things over and over again pretty much verbatim. You don't engage in discussion. You invariably just reflect people's responses back at them in your childish way etc. etc. It's obvious who is trolling on here and it's equally obvious that some hackneyed system for evaluating that isn't necessary.

23. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

    23   5:07am Fri 1 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Shutdown The Liars says Bigsby says t's obvious who is trolling on here No question. And it is you. The most egregious trollers are LIARS. And you lie here in nearly every post. Ho, ho, ho. You're a persistent little so-and-so. I'll give you that. And 23 ignores, whatever your name is today. Am I the only person left on this forum who actually sees your posts?

24. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    24   10:15am Fri 1 Jun 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Bigsby says Am I the only person left on this forum who actually sees your posts? Probably.